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Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:16 / 28.09.05
On it.
 
 
The Falcon
22:31 / 28.09.05
Dear Flyboy,

I would be most interested in a read of some of macrophage's personalised gibberish.

Yours,

Duncan.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:58 / 28.09.05
Jack- the request's already in on the Switchy one.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:59 / 28.09.05
Oh, and looks like it was acted on while I was watching telly! Ace.
 
 
Quantum
12:31 / 29.09.05
Why the recent spate of trolls and pseudotrolls? I wonder?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
12:40 / 29.09.05
Because when one comes back, the others decide that it'd be a right old wheeze to follow in the slipstream. Happens every time.

Other than a couple of returning idiots, though, it's not really been any worse recently than it ever is.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:49 / 29.09.05
Wears you down sometimes though.
 
 
Bed Head
13:01 / 29.09.05
(Well then, just to say, I think you all totally rock for dealing with this stuff. And that your efforts are really appreciated.)
 
 
■
06:32 / 30.09.05

Why the recent spate of trolls and pseudotrolls? I wonder?

Perhaps trolls read the Grauniad, too.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
11:38 / 30.09.05
Hate to break this to you, I doubt anyone who read the Guardian article who might have applied has made it through the checking process yet, never mind onto the board.
 
 
■
12:01 / 30.09.05
No, but it's possible those (such as Knodge) who had inactive old suits may have been reminded of our existence and decided to jump back on and have a piss about.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
12:19 / 30.09.05
The Guardian piece isn't why he came back.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
12:24 / 30.09.05
Sorry, that sounds a bit cryptic, and it's really not supposed to. It's just that he doesn't have to be reminded that Barbelith is here - there's plenty of evidence to suggest that he spends his entire, unfortunate existence spanking one off over the thought of getting just one more post on the board. Just... one... more... pouuuuuggggghhhh.
 
 
Smoothly
13:02 / 30.09.05
there's plenty of evidence to suggest that he spends his entire, unfortunate existence spanking one off over the thought of getting just one more post on the board.

Thing is, there’s also lots of evidence to suggest that it’s not about that at all. If he just wants to post again, it seems odd that he would take one of his perfectly anonymous spare suits and, before posting, change its name to ‘I Am The Knowledge’.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:21 / 30.09.05
That's just because The Knowledge is far more famous than Andrew Cunto could ever be. It's his one notable achievement in life. Annoying a whole bunch of people he doesn't know, stalking certain of them. He needs to get posts on the board before that fame - such as it is - deserts him. Hence the sticking to the same name whenever he posts. Really, what'd be the point in coming back anonymously? You presume that he has an interest in being here for the discussion, and that's evidently untrue.

"Warren Ellis even posted something about me being a prick once! WARREN ELLIS! *fap fap*"

I think it's highly unlikely that this was a spare suit, btw. We did have a purge on all unused suits some time back after he previously started using others that he'd registered to get around the banning, because there was no way of telling which were spares and which weren't. We know for a fact that he's stolen those of other people in the past - Flowers being the most obvious one - and we know that there have recently been attempts by somebody to get into Nina's. I doubt this was any different. If he had spares, he'd have been using them before now. It's just taken him this long to be able to find one with a password that he could guess.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:32 / 06.10.05
Shall we ban Morpheus, then? Not the kind of shit we want on the board, is it? Best to make that clear, eh?

Come on Tom, do the decent thing, take him out.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:12 / 06.10.05
I find myself in the slightly odd situation of potentially needing to campaign for my own banning. That kinda sucks. See the "All-Star Superman" thread in Comic Books for details, but if I _have_ been making sleazy and abusive comments about another member of the board, then I kind of ought to be banned. I confess that I am a bit bewildered by this one, but...
 
 
Ganesh
09:24 / 06.10.05
I'm not sure that we ever banned the Apocaloids, did we? They burbled on at length about sniffing paedophiles and predicted all manner of things in an after-they'd-happened kinda way. They were occasionally offensive. We may have locked threads, but I don't thi-i-ink we ever banned them outright.

That's the precedent I find myself returning to re: Morpheus.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:31 / 06.10.05
Well... I think the problem here might be context. Over the years, there have been a fair few number of people who have said things on Barbelith such as "isn't Grant Morrison's girlfriend/wife hot?", and then of course the whole "although we do not know these people we can tell that love has conquered their hearts" business. Now, some people (myself included) find a lot of that a bit icky to various extents. And some people have in turn worked that into various bits of piss-taking, none of it really aimed at Grant Morrison or Kristan.

The problem is that without that context, your particular type of satire is sometimes so deadpan that it might well read as a particularly awful version of the thing itself rather than a deliberately exaggerated parallel of the same.

I suppose it's also possible that someone might see no harm in other people saying what could loosely be interpreted as nice things about them and their partner, and take objection to that being parodied.

Mind you, that being said, I don't think Barbelith should respond any differently than if it was anyone else making the misunderstanding (if that's what's going on).
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:41 / 06.10.05
That's the precedent I find myself returning to re: Morpheus.

A precedent doesn't need to be something you adhere to forever, regardless of how well it's working for you.
 
 
Ganesh
10:05 / 06.10.05
A precedent doesn't need to be something you adhere to forever, regardless of how well it's working for you.

No, obviously it doesn't. In order to change a precedent of having a relatively high threshold for banning people, however, we'd presumably require some evidence that the current methods of containing someone like Morpheus aren't working - and aren't working to such an extent that banning him from the board is right and necessary.

For reasons we've previously discussed, I don't think this is currently the case. I do think comparisons with ReformedRobotMan, InnerCircle, Knodge, etc. are pertinent, though, when we're deciding what action to take.
 
 
One-man clique
10:12 / 06.10.05
Who the hell was Innercircle?
 
 
The Falcon
10:18 / 06.10.05
You're alright, Haus. It's been pretty self-evident to me that your intent was, if not benign, always only satirical. I don't think that malice was in evidence, at any rate.

I'd rather we not discuss any comic writer's wife really, either way, because it makes me feel funny-uncomfy, or 'icky' if you prefer.
 
 
The Falcon
10:19 / 06.10.05
Innercircle was a self-described cabal of 'revolutionaries'; not so revolutionary that they/he didn't feel above the need for slurs on gay people or Australians.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:23 / 06.10.05
On reflection, wasn't I the person who moved to have Kristan's maiden name removed from a post, on the grounds that it wasn't respectful to publish personal details without her permission? I'm not sure whether that comes under "sleazy" or "abusive"...

On Morpheus - Tom has said that he would, if he had been reading the Temple, have banned one of the RRM suits on the grounds of anti-Semitism (or more precisely placing hir right to share his theories over the right of members not to read material which could have caused profoound offence), but one odd thing about Morpheus is that so far he has managed not to bring the Jews into his theories, so we're back to the question of whether, apart from Holocaust denial and/or the propagation of theories about Jewish conspiracies, a regular pattern of posts judged offensive on other grounds is cause for banning.

Basically, whenever there is a natural disaster or act of terror, Morpheus will pop up and say "told you so!" He will be indifferent to the offence caused or the suffering of those who have died or been wounded or made homeless, and will simply not understand that there is any operating factor in play beyond his predictions being proved right. He will then be mocked roundly, which may actually cause further offence. That's a tricky one. Generally, if we start kicking people off Barbelith for being tossers, where do we stop? Alternatively, if we do, we need to establish what constitutes bannable behaviour.
 
 
Evil Scientist
12:00 / 06.10.05
I've not been here long enough to witness a banning. But I understand that it has happened. So what were the criteria for any past bannings? Is there anything that can be applied from those situations to this one with Morpheus? Is he guilty of anything other than utter insensitivity?

(Not setting myself up as an advocate for him I stress).

It seems to be relatively easy to come back into Barbelith via another account so banning seems to be a fairly symbolic gesture rather than one that will actually stop offensive posters. An annoyance to the hardcore troll. But is the final say down to Monsieur Coates? Or can a group of Moderators enact a banning?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
12:06 / 06.10.05
Tom's the only one with the power to do it.

Apart from the obvious one, I think there have only been three or four other people banned from here. Not many. One for offering a banned member the use of their suit. One for trolling the entire board when he had a thread locked by posting tens of new threads with titles like "CUNTS" and opening posts which amounted to "PRICKS".

I think we need to decide what's going to happen to Morpheus is we don't ban him, really. Is that shitty Convo thread of his going to be locked, for a start?
 
 
Ganesh
12:10 / 06.10.05
It appears to be locked already. In the absence of an ensuing NAZZI CNUTS!!1! spamfest, I'd say that's probably all we need do.
 
 
Bed Head
13:04 / 06.10.05
Heavens. So, is there any way we could just delete Grant Morrison’s post before anyone else sees it? It’s too vague to be any use as a proper complaint, and it’s embarrassing and wrongheaded, but also, jeez, I thought we were slowly managing to get away from the idea that this is a Grant Morrison fansite. Really, the last thing we need is people thinking that he still reads barbelith.

Also, a total of three posts complaining about the way people are talking about kittens or his wife or whatever doesn’t reeeaaally make him much of a *user* of barbelith, so I kinda think that quoting our posting guidelines at anyone is a bit off. The ‘posting etiquette guide’ is more about the way users should try to relate to other users, isn’t it?
 
 
Ganesh
13:12 / 06.10.05
Is difficulty processing parody akin to difficulty processing metaphor? Is either one grounds for post deletion?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:14 / 06.10.05
He's got as much right to come here and wildly misinterpret a Haus post as anybody else has. Dude, if we were banning for that, there'd be five of us left.
 
 
Quantum
13:18 / 06.10.05
I proposed a deletion of a morpheus post in the Temple (which was agreed), sent him a PM with the deleted text to tell him it was deleted from that thread, got an offensive reply. My own fault I suppose- I did append a request that he not post non-sequiteurs. F**k me and my non-sequiteurs was his witty riposte.
So we just keep deleting threads and posts on a case-by-case basis? Okey-dokey, but I'm with Flyboy, why wait until there's a storm of offensive spam?
 
 
Ganesh
13:21 / 06.10.05
Because the storm of offensive spam may not happen. If it does, fine, banning might then be reasonable.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:21 / 06.10.05
I'm happy to keep deleting his posts on a case-by-case 'is it in anyway relevent to the discussion' basis, but I can't help but think that for all his talk about dead bodies, if he'd once involved 'the Jews' in someway Tom would have kicked him out ages ago. We seem to be operating on a two-level offensiveness standard here...
 
 
Ganesh
14:25 / 06.10.05
*shrugs*

We've had that discussion, Flowers. It was never resolved to my own satisfaction, particularly, but we have had it.

Ask Tom.
 
  

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