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Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:37 / 27.09.05
Fair enough...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
12:42 / 27.09.05
Do we want to have a discussion about asking Tom to kick him out or do people feel that causes more trouble than it solves?

He only ever posts the same shit in the same sort of threads, and it always gets deleted by moderators. There's little - no - point in his suit remaining active, as far as I'm concerned, if it's simply a cause of extra work for mods.

Can't see suitdeath leading to a sustained attack on the board in this particular case.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:42 / 27.09.05
Perfectly fair. Feel free to delete my response—it's only going to fall on deaf ears anyway...
 
 
Jack Fear
13:43 / 27.09.05
And hey presto! it's gone.

Thanks.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:28 / 27.09.05
Hmmm... it becomes a question of where we draw the line, though, at that point. At the moment the only things that lead to suitdeath officially are persistent trolling, anti-Semitism and the illegal keeping and using of multiple suits. If we move it down to this level then we're probably creating questions about suits like quimper, macrophage... OK, when you put it like that it doesn't sound so bad, but it does set a precedent. We need to put a proper mechanism in place before we start petitioning to remove people just because they're self-absorbed halfwits.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:20 / 27.09.05
Yeah, I appreciate that.

With Morpheus, it's not even one of those 'net negative' things, though. Hell, he's not even a negative - when you've got somebody whose every post is being deleted because it's off-topic idiocy or relentless repetition of the same "the lizards are coming" end times knobbery over and over again, with scant regard for anything else that's been posted to the thread, that person's effectively not a contributing member of the board anyway. The issue then becomes the fact that other members of the board inevitably respond to his rubbish and end up having their posts deleted along with his, in order to keep threads in some kind of order.

I'm just thinking that if all his being here is doing is adding to the moderators' workload and potentially leading to threads becoming horribly messy (if somebody posts both a response to his trolling and also one to the original topic of discussion within the same post, how do you sort that out when it comes to deleting both his posts and those that are in reply to them in the interests of good thread housekeeping?) then wouldn't it just be easier and less damaging to Barbelith to wave him goodbye now?

I suppose it really depends on how often he's here and how many threads he's blundering into - he's not posting to any of the areas I read regularly, so I've not got much of a handle on this. If it's a rare occurence, then it's maybe not such a big deal. If it's becoming increasingly common, then we should at least be thinking about how to nip it in the bud now, before it causes the board a real problem.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:45 / 27.09.05
Seems to happen every few weeks... there're usually a bunch which appear in Switchboard and a bunch in Temple at around the same time, then nothing for a while.
 
 
Quantum
17:43 / 27.09.05
We need to put a proper mechanism in place before we start petitioning to remove people just because they're self-absorbed halfwits.
...otherwise I'm fucked. I vote to stop teh madness by killing the demented lizard suit though, I mean, shallow pools of worthlessness? It's pretty clear he's posting shite for the sake of it to make a mess of Barbelith. Exterminate.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:01 / 27.09.05
You see, I don't think that is obvious. I think he is probably suffering from some form of mild personality disorder, and it's pretty clear that he doesn't have the social or argumentative skills to carry on an actual conversation. He's suffering from the fairly common delusion that he is somehow privy to secret knowledge, and his apocalyptic fantasising is pretty standard-issue. He's incapable of posting about anything, really, except himself, and has no interest in talking about anything else.

However, there are a lot of suits that exhibit at least some of those characteristics - so, where does the line get drawn? Is it that Morpheus is particularly offensive in his choice of venue, posting gloating messages in threads about the London bombings and Hurricane Katrina? Is there a standard of taste that puts one from being an annoying suit to a suit that needs to be killed? Is it regularity of violation of taste? I'm all for getting rid of Morpheus, but unless we have a clear idea of why we are doing it then we are open to accusations of hypocrisy, and it would be better just to stick him on ignore...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:41 / 27.09.05
However, there are a lot of suits that exhibit at least some of those characteristics - so, where does the line get drawn? Is it that Morpheus is particularly offensive in his choice of venue, posting gloating messages in threads about the London bombings and Hurricane Katrina?

In a way, yes, but I wouldn't say it was a matter of taste or offensiveness. It's one of netiquette - from what I've seen, the guy has nothing invested in the board, nor the discussions that take place on it. He just sees a thread title that has some vague link to whatever it is that he wants to bang on about at that moment in time, then jumps straight in and does so, without even stopping to check if it has any relevance to the rest of the thread's content.

He's not the first prophet of the apocalypse we've had here, but previous ones have all had the good grace to post their stuff in their own threads, or else adapted and changed when it's been made apparent that their way of going about things isn't particularly appreciated.

Maybe a period of, I dunno, warning or something could work. A PM with something along the lines of "Look, you're being a prick and here's why: blahblahblah. If you can demonstrate the ability and the desire to stop being deliberately offensive, to stop attempting to derail threads, to present your arguments in a more coherent manner [or whatever everybody sees the real issues as being here] then there's no problem. On the other hand, if you're still being a prick in X months' time, your login will be removed from the board." Although maybe with stuff like "prick" replaced by something a little less abrupt.

I don't even mind lizard talk all that much. It can be pretty entertaining, when there's some thought put into it and when it's confined to its own space.

Btw, in the above posts I'm not saying "yes, we should definitely kill the suit," just, "well, would killing the suit actually do any bad, or would it instead do us some good?"
 
 
Ganesh
18:56 / 27.09.05
I'd say kill the offensive posts and see where that takes us. Morpheus is self-absorbed to the extent that he's apparently unable to differentiate between the topic on the page and the topic in his head, but I agree with Haus that a) this isn't especially unusual on Barbelith, and b) it's by no means obvious that he's trolling for attention. Given that his offerings, while itchyscratchyannoying, are relatively contained and infrequent, I think deleting the whole suit would be both an overreaction and an unhelpful precedent.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:13 / 27.09.05
I agree with Ganesh. Banning has in the past been a real measure of last resort, only used in very extreme circumstances. While I wouldn't shed any tears were Morpheus never to post again, I think banning him outirght could set a very dangerous precdent, and leave us open to all manner of petitioning from people who want poster x banned for reason y, and think "but you banned Morpheus, why not x?" is a good addition to their arsenal.

Thus far it's been fairly clear as to what constitutes a bannable offence... without a specific T&C thingy for it, killing the suit now could push the whole thing into a much greyer area.

A warning could be a good idea... with, as posited above, an ultimatum. That would seem a lot less arbitrary, and would, to my mind, be a lot less dangerous for the board.
 
 
w1rebaby
20:27 / 27.09.05
Myself, I don't see Morpheus' posts as being a problem that interferes with the board. They're bollocks but they're infrequent and mostly just cause problems when people respond to them endlessly. Sometimes, to be frank, the responses end up keeping a thread alive and interesting beyond its expected lifespan.

I wouldn't ban him. If people find what he posts annoying, the best way to deal with the situation is to ignore them and contact a mod to request that they be deleted. There's no "report post" button here so it'd have to be done by PM I suppose.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:41 / 27.09.05
That's a good point--would it be possible to include a "report post" button? One that automatically sends a note to the forum mods' job queue, in the same way as mod requests do but saying "investigate this post please" or somesuch?
 
 
macrophage
21:12 / 27.09.05
Actually I think I might volunteer myself to leave this forum. I won't say sorry at all. Bad times mate. I've never came across a most bigotted and crassly inane bunch of inverted snobs, no wonder when we travelled we didn't have time for you city heads, townies and ten bobbers (pardon the 1970s Glesga Schemey Patter). What a waste of time. Gormless. Sayanara Amigo's. You just like picking holes in other people, congratulations!!!
 
 
Ganesh
21:13 / 27.09.05
Cheerio, then.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
21:33 / 27.09.05
congratulations!!!

Thanks!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:46 / 27.09.05
*sets watch* (TM Ganesh)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:41 / 27.09.05
I prefer shooting or stabbing holes in other people, but fair enough. Off you trot!
 
 
Triplets
22:57 / 27.09.05
Inverted snobs!

Sbons! The lot of you!
 
 
Smoothly
23:25 / 27.09.05
Sounds like we might have a solution to our current conundrum! Perhaps we should just do more of whatever it is macrophage accused us of. Seems to work a treat.

CrasstowniesnobtenbobbersGO!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
23:46 / 27.09.05
What is a ten bobber, exactly? I mean, I know what a nine-bobber is, but I'm pretty sure that's not what maccy meant.
 
 
macrophage
05:00 / 28.09.05
A ten bobber appears as a a person that gets given loads of money for their school dinners as they have rich parents who either aren't led off and redundant or on the sick due to ill-health in bad shitty council conditions. Yer all as soft as shit you lot esp that geezer who cannae spell that indie lad who cannae handle the hard shit. Sorta people who would buy the Big Issue only to psychically vampire and bore the vendor with boring political and lefty rhetoric and snide at people who smoke. Keep drinking the meths and the barley wine lads and lasses the good times will roll. Oh mi little poppets!!!!! Fanboy city eh!!!!! Time Warner AOL Carlyle Group Little Golem malleable like a corporate whore no disrespect to Courtney Love!! Yes I worship the Ground that Angus Og walks on and he is a true Celtic Mythic God!!! JOKE!!! Destroy the sacred goto McDonalds and butcher an animal it mite put body lice hair on your armpits. You run the show like an Anarcho Communist Front in my day we had no truck at all for anarcho-wage-slavers-hive-minders and Militant Vanguardists of the Left - stick to your 1" X 1" placards in the future when they electrozap you with 24,000 Tasers (which Scotland has made in a factory lo and behold beside Charing X in Glasgow for over 20 years legally for the international arms trade for people like BOSS the Apartheid Racist Secret Police and the KGB Mafia), look at Ireland the test ground for your GB fuck that I'm goin abroad where anarchists and autonomes live and work and play. Fuck Britain Boudaecia was raped by Henry the Eighth in an Orange Lodge deal gone sour. May your houses rot in oxidisation.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
05:27 / 28.09.05
Seven hours and forty-eight minutes between storming off and storming back in. That's actually not bad.
 
 
Ganesh
05:48 / 28.09.05
Stop the clock, Mordant.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:35 / 28.09.05
And what accent is that supposed to be anyway? I've heard more realistic accents in Americans playing Brits in US sitcoms.

Just to clarify, is your beef over us discussing the best way to deal with someone posting offensive crap to the board, or are you still pissed off at what was said about your behavious a few pages ago?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:19 / 28.09.05
Would anyone care to read some extracts from a couple of PMs which macrophage has sent me? Real gold.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:36 / 28.09.05
Not sure on the ethics of posting 'em, Fly, but if you feel like PMing me them, I'll certainly take a look.
 
 
Quantum
13:35 / 28.09.05
fuck yeah, I'll trade you for leaving post from over&out if that's ethically acceptable.
I came back to this hoping for Morpheus to be gone, my hopes were dashed by everyone's tolerant sensible response, then raised by macrophage's self-banning, then dashed by his immediate reappearance, now raised again by the thought of a collection of 'I'm leaving Barbelith 4eva!' posts that could make a fantastic thread.
Unless it's been done- is there a 'Best of Goodbye Barbelith! posts' thread?
 
 
Quantum
13:46 / 28.09.05
I love this bit of breathless nonsense from the middle of the rant above-

when they electrozap you with 24,000 Tasers (which Scotland has made in a factory lo and behold beside Charing X in Glasgow for over 20 years legally for the international arms trade for people like BOSS the Apartheid Racist Secret Police and the KGB Mafia),

Wow, THEY have tasers now? Made in Scotland? Thank God, I was afraid they'd start shooting people in the head with guns. Thanks for the heads up, Big Yin!
 
 
lekvar
20:32 / 28.09.05
It's like reading Hakim Bey as channelled by a 12 year-old.
 
 
Char Aina
21:15 / 28.09.05
its just so cuttimng, isnt it?
its as though he knows my soul...
i mean, i cant walk past a big issue guy without surrendering to my instinct to buy the Big Issue only to psychically vampire and bore the vendor with boring political and lefty rhetoric and snide at people who smoke.

that's, like, my life, dude.
 
 
Ganesh
21:34 / 28.09.05
It's a sort of homegrown version of Rage's seminal 'thigh eating pussy preachers' monologue, innit?
 
 
Jack Fear
22:10 / 28.09.05
Meanwhile, Morpheus is at it again.

And this time, he's reduced to quoting fucking Bono at us. Is this the Morpheus of my youth?
 
 
Ganesh
22:14 / 28.09.05
... almost everyday I wish I were standing in front of that car bomb in Iraq, because if this life has to be so filled with hate, greed, terror, murder, theft, rape, and arrogant hubris...then I don't want to be here for it and I am sick of doing the magik to try and prevent it.

Magik the Gathering, one assumes.

Could some kind brace of moderators be the Iraqi car bomb to that post, please?
 
  

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