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Operation: Mindfuck

 
  

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Grey Area
08:17 / 15.04.05
Be it because you're now missing buttons or because it's hard to button with missing fingers. Mr. Funny likes to keep his options open.
 
 
Topper
11:39 / 15.04.05
My best friend's little sister said if you go in the washroom and close the door and say this in the mirror, Mr Funny will appear.

Plant your Biro in a garden
A felt tip just for two

Robert Plant is by the water
His children in the nude

Ride your mighty steed, R.P.
The song remains the same

If you fancy some role-playing
Good sir knight, I'm game

If you fancy some role-playing
Good sir knight, I'm game
 
 
agvvv
12:05 / 15.04.05
Now, whose got the balls to actually do that?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:53 / 15.04.05
Not I.

He comes anyway.
 
 
Grey Area
14:18 / 15.04.05
I remember when I was crewing on a half-sailed junk runnin' paper cages out of Shanghai during the Crimean War. The captain was a lecher with a penchant for buggery, the bosun had one eye and a trick tooth, and Mr. Funny ran the galley with an iron fist. That's not a metaphor, me boy, he had an actual iron fist on an axe handle that he'd wallop the swabs around the ear holes with when they weren't swabbing fast or slow enough. We sailed for days, tacking against the wind and onto the notice-board, dodging the flying fish that tried to drag us into the briny deeps so's they could stuff us into Davy Jone's locker. On the tenth day, we ran out of pre-packaged luncheon meat, and the crew grew few. With every soul we fed to the flying fish, you could hear the tension go up another notch with a resounding 'click!'...or maybe that was just the chaplain's NHS aluminium artifical foot. Either way, came the day where the crew rampaged along the decks, wielding shrieking cut lasses and Peggy's legs. Kicked down the door to captain's cabin they did, interrupting the penetrating discourse the captain was havin' with the cabin boy, and demanded he change course for gentler shores. The bosun they'd already stuffed with sundries and tied to the figurehead to be nibbled to death by dolphins. The captain, he stared them down, and the sweat was runnin' off his face like Niagara, when the light from the punishin' sun was blocked out by a shadow. T'was Mr. Funny, his iron fist in his right, the rusty anchor chain wrapped around his left, and a rabid attack cockerel perched on his shoulder foamin' at the beak. The things I saw that day, perched at a delirious height on the masthead for strategic perspective reasons, those things haunt me to this day. I can't walk down the meat aisle in Tesco without hearing the shrieks of the cut lasses as they bounced off Mr. Funny's hide. A glass of Pernod gives me flashbacks of me mate Bernie screamin' like a banshee, trying to wrest the attack cockrel off his likewise. The clinking thuds of the rusty anchor chain and the shrieks of shipmates being given tetanus shots follow me into my dreams to this day. And through it all, like the watermark on a pricey piece of writing paper, there's the face of Mr. Funny. Smiling on the outside, cacklin' like a hyena that's stolen the prize carcass on the inside, and spellin' out D-E-A-T- all over. What? Where be the missin' H? Well, no man ever got that far with Mr. Funny. How he missed me on the masthead I never knew, but five days later we run aground in the Sudan. Last I saw of Mr. Funny, he was stridin' into the desert on a trice-humped camel he'd bought from a passin' trice-humped camel madam fer the remains of our boat. I've never seen him fer real since, and me boy, I don't want to. That feller's bad news, he is, a walkin' endorsement fer life insurance and gun control. And that's all I'll be sayin' about Mr. Funny now...
 
 
Topper
17:36 / 15.04.05
Thing about Bernie, he really was a banshee, and a librarian to boot. A conflicted man. Every time he shushed someone, he felt that pang. It's just as well Mr Funny got to him. I'll never forget his final chilling words.

"Freedom," said Bernie, laying at Mr Funny's feet.

"What?" asked Mr Funny.

"I said," said Bernie, gathering himself, "you've set me free, and for that I thank you."

"Could you speak up please?" said Mr Funny.

"No," said Bernie, a smile freezing on his lips. "Hell, no."
 
 
JOY NO WRY
17:57 / 15.04.05
Ok, guys, I know I'm setting myself up to get a dose of the mockery, and I'm steeled for it, its Ok, but I have to question this thread.

Despite the pretentiousness of the original post, the idea of actions that cause people on the street to question any of their assumptions surely has some value? I can't help but see all these silly posts as an unnessecarily cynical, if amusing, response to somebody who was actually approaching quite an interesting subject.

Or, far, far more likely, I simply missed the joke somewhere. Can someone help me out?
 
 
Grey Area
18:54 / 15.04.05
*sigh* I was wondering how long it would take before someone asked that question.

OK, yes, the responses in this thread have taken a totally different direction to what the thread-starter intended. This may have been due to the pretentiousness you have identified, a total lack of interest in the topic on the part of others, or the fact that beyond what is condsidered by many to be defacement and vandalism there are few ways to, according to the original premise, "fuck with people's minds".

However, this has been one of the most active threads in the Creation in many months, which is why I have been loath to move for it to be moved to the Convo. It's brought people back who might not have swung through the Creation as often as they have, and that can't be bad. It's also been a lot of fun.

My suggestion would be that someone who wishes to discuss the original topic create a new thread. I would point out that the original topic would perhaps be better suited to A&D, as it is more a discussion of the effect of the artwork and the way it is created than an active creating of artwork.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:55 / 16.04.05
I thought we were just, you know, fucking with people's heads.
 
 
lekvar
19:18 / 16.04.05
I think what soloman was actually referring to was Operation:Shock the Middle Class*. One of my favorite passtimes, but stickers and felt tips just don't do it.
These folks can
show you
how it's done.

*see Kill Your Boyfriend for further details.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:50 / 16.04.05
*shrug*

What can I say? The topic starter is doubtless a perfectly splendid fellow and all around cool dude but the fact is he came across as pompous. Speaking personally, nothing presses my pisstake buttons like pomposity. Hence, felt tips.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:55 / 16.04.05
Operation:Shock the Middle Class

Which'd be pretty pointless here, no? I mean, I'd imagine the vast majority of Barbelith people probably fit into that particular grouping, however you're defining it. Hell, most regular message board contributors full stop.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:57 / 16.04.05
And yeah, what Stoatie said. Welcome to Operation: Threadfuck. Or Operation: ArrogantsuperioritycomplexYOUAREALLSHEEPLEfuck.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:21 / 16.04.05
Yeah. You may THINK it's hardcore sticking cards in phoneboxes...

...but when Mister Funny turns up, you shit yourself.

With poo.

From your bum.
 
 
Olulabelle
22:33 / 16.04.05
OK. Grey Area has made a very valuable point here - this was really good fun, but the actual topic was also valid.

Shall we start another thread? Shall I start another thread?

Answers on a (defaced) postcard please.
 
 
mixmage
22:38 / 16.04.05
on deface of it, wouldn't it be easier to reply here?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:48 / 16.04.05
The original topic wasn't valid, lula. The question of whether the original topic was valid or not - now that's valid. Or it would be valid, if it weren't so obvious that the original topic wasn't valid. But you see what I mean.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
01:54 / 17.04.05
I thought we were just, you know, fucking with people's heads.

I thought the point was to fuck with the head of someone who started a pointless fucking thread.

Operation: Mindfuck is like 'One Step Beyond' by Madness. Complete and utter toss and about as subversive as a box of eggs in a butchers shop.

We can start this thread again and talk about how subversive it is to scrawl on a wall but what do you think it's going to achieve- will it wake someone up? Not as effectively as Mr Funny stuffing your duvet up your nose.

Give me a good piece of grafitti (someone's doing something wonderful to some Victoria line tube trains at the moment) and I'll appreciate the aesthetic value of it but will it fuck with my mind? Only if it leaps off the wall and hits my temple with a hammer.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
01:56 / 17.04.05
Welcome to Operation: Threadfuck.

I wish I'd coined that phrase.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:18 / 17.04.05
Some things to think about:

1. Even in the book No Logo, Naomi Klein expresses doubts about the idea of 'culture jamming', etc. She points out that whenever anyone watches television, they are presenting with a series of contradictory messages with conflicting tones and meanings - we skip from a news report on the dangers of climate change to an advert for a new car, or we skip from a documentary on the problems of capitalism to a rock video - and these discontinuities do not necessarily cause any of us to question our perception of the world around us.

2. Since Klein wrote that, mainstream popular culture has gone through what some might call a 'paradigm shift' - these occur quite regularly and usually involve ideas from the fringes of culture moving into the centre, blah blah blah. The most obvious example of this is obviously the cultural juggernaut that is The Matrix movie, its terrible sequels and other spin-offs, but there are plenty of others. The most telltale indication that Disinfo culture has become mainstream is surely The Adam and Joe Show's parody of the same, cyber-collectively "wooooh, messing with your minds!" Equally, in the world of advertising, ideas about 'guerilla marketing' are more than current (they're almost a bit past it now!). Go into the toilets of many a London bar and you can't tell the 'subversive' stickers from the ones trying to sell you something. So how does scrawling something on a toilet wall or sticking up a sticker remain subversive? (Answer: it has to be something really fucking special.)

3. What do we really mean when we talk about messing with people's heads - what beliefs do we want them to question, and what do we want them to start thinking about instead? There's often a patronising misconception that there are baseline, mundane 'humatons', and then switched-on, clever, alternative people. Whereas in fact people tend to be a little more complicated than that. There are fierce environmentalists who have no interest in other forms of politics; there are people who lobby for political change who have no interest in outsider music or art; there are people working to promote outsider art who might seem utterly conservative in any other way... My biggest problem with the idea of a 'mindfuck' is that nobody who proposes one ever seems to want to expend the effort necessary to specify which preconceived ideas they want to mess with, who holds them, how this process will work, or why it should be done.

4. Hakim Bey in his piece 'Poetic Terrorism' said this: "The audience reaction or aesthetic-shock produced by PT ought to be at least as strong as the emotion of terror-- powerful disgust, sexual arousal, superstitious awe, sudden intuitive breakthrough, dada-esque angst" - and if it doesn't do that, it's a pointless failure. In other words, it can never be simply wacky or zany.

5. In the context of the above, anyone who thinks that an illustration of "a penis gently penetrating between the sensual folds of a human cerebral cortex" is in any way 'subversive' needs... well I don't know what they need. I suppose they need their preconceived ideas to be challenged a little, at the very least.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:32 / 17.04.05
nobody who proposes one ever seems to want to expend the effort necessary to specify which preconceived ideas they want to mess with, who holds them, how this process will work, or why it should be done

Yes, totally. I'd also add to that "or that it should maybe be done to them first".

Which I thought this thread was a pretty good illustration of.

I know Mister Funny feels the same way. He told me.
 
 
iconoplast
16:52 / 17.04.05
I feel like a bitter old crotchety whatsit saying this, but - do I really WANT the kind of avant-revolution that explodes peoples minds and turns everyone's commute into an engaged piece of guerilla street theater?

I mean - you put art in a gallry, people go there expecting to be confronted in some sense. But you spring art on them in the loo, and... I don't know - it all seems a bit unfair.

I'm sure DeBord himself would have chucked buckets of water on you if, for example, you turned up outside his apartment at six AM on a sunday, all set to blow his mind.
 
 
Grey Area
20:02 / 17.04.05
Similarly I'm sure that Banksy wouldn't look too kindly if you adorned his house with spraypainted stencil art advocating revolution or similar concepts. 'Course, he's (they?) probably done a good job covering the house already.

So has being subversive become mainstream? Is it now trendy to buck the system while clattering along on your skateboard in the baggy trousers your mother washed and ironed for you before you hit the road, mind intent on spreading anarchic chaos through the use of Avery labels with 'Bonk!' scrawled on them in your best graffiti handwriting?
 
 
lekvar
20:18 / 17.04.05
So has being subversive become mainstream?
Well, considering that the punks were complaining of exactly this in the 1980's...
And the hippies were complaining of this in the 1970's...
And the Beats were complaining of this in the 1960's...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:56 / 17.04.05
So has being subversive become mainstream?

Subversion can be interesting, it can even be *in* to like it but it can never be mainstream because as soon as it's adopted it stops actually subverting. You can't think that an action is subversive because it involves playing with language, it's always in context to the social environment. We all know that solomon's suggestions would have been the height of subversion in another era but not now.

Art? Unfair in the toilet? Never.
 
 
Grey Area
11:03 / 18.04.05
Another issue with attempting to subvert the dominant paradigm through street art/graffiti/stickers/what-have-you is that the instinctive reaction of a normal person when confronted with such a challenge is to blank it out. I'm sure a number of us walked to a place of employment today. How many 'subversive' icons do you remember? OK, this might not be the best place to ask, as we're the kind of people who actually look out for this sort of thing, but the experiment is still valid. Society has become so accustomed to being bombarded with messages that, as Klein points out, they tend to either cancel each other out or not be absorbed at all. In order for subversive art to have an effect these days, one could argue that it needs to be big, bigger, biggest. See Banksy's statue of Justice, or Christo's wrapping of the Reichstag. Smaller things just go un-noticed, or are dismissed and ignored as being just another aspect of urban living, like takeaway flyers and clipboard people.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:23 / 18.04.05
Yeah, that was my point 1! And subversion becoming mainstream was my point 2.

(I'm just saying.)
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:31 / 18.04.05
HELLO. Subversion can't be mainstream. Contradiction in terms.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:56 / 18.04.05
'Brass Eye'.

Thus, I win. I now drink my weak lemon drink.
 
 
Shrug
17:44 / 18.04.05
Linky
 
 
Shrug
17:52 / 18.04.05
It seemed interesting in any case, has there been any other incidents of graffiti capturing the mass consiousness like this?
I from time to time see something funny in the pub bog. Subversion though? Hardly.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:55 / 18.04.05
OT: Did anyone notice how that long post of Flybers' pretty much pwned the entire thread, without being all stabby and grr? I'll have to try that sometime.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
19:16 / 18.04.05
I can't believe that Operation: Threadfuck has been derailed. I'm leaving, I cannot take the barbelith pain anymore. What's more important than felt tip pens and the fact that Mr Funny is the spectre haunting barbelith? I hate you all so much.
 
 
Shrug
20:20 / 18.04.05
(No No Operation Threadfuck has evolved, it's all about the cyclical nature of revolution! Don't You Seeeeeeee?)
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:08 / 18.04.05
It has not evolved. You have destroyed the system. It's all your fault.
 
  

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