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lekvar
01:06 / 29.10.04
I've always wanted to do this-
I start by laying down an original track or two using Audion, a cross-platform, free multi-track recording suite. I then burn the result to a cd and send it to the next person. This goes on for a bit until the tune/album is deemd done.

Doing this with one song per cd would make the most sense to me, since multitrack info tends to get a bit sizeable after a while. Maybe cap contributions to twelve tracks per tune? Then the final is sent around again so the contributors can mix the resulting track to their liking.

After this process has been done a few times we release damned thing into the wild via the Creative Commons, go on tour, become rich, develop a glue-sniffing habit, get hit with a pternity suit, go to rehab, and go on a reunion tour after having gained a beergut and lost the ability to fit into our leather pants.

Or we just release it to the wild.

BTW, I play bass & banjo (electric and acoustic). Other odd instrumentation enthusiatically accepted.
 
 
grant
15:16 / 29.10.04
Think you'd like some accordion or toy piano?
 
 
lekvar
18:40 / 29.10.04
Yes and yes!!1! respectively.
 
 
TeN
18:29 / 30.10.04
I could definetly do this.

I play piano (but with only 3 years experience, i'm not very good) and sing, but my major strength is electronic based stuff, whether it be sampling, or electronic beats, or remixing other's work (are we allowed to alter the tracks of those before us?), or ambience, or what have you. I also have a taste for the bizzare and odd, but love a good pop tune as well.

Honestly though, I rather dislike Audacity, I've used it before and found it rather frsutrating. Perhaps we could simply save each track as a seperate, identical length wav, and the next person could compile them, add their own, and do the same?

So come on, let's get this thing started!
 
 
lekvar
03:37 / 31.10.04
Honestly though, I rather dislike Audacity, I've used it before and found it rather frsutrating. Perhaps we could simply save each track as a seperate, identical length wav, and the next person could compile them, add their own, and do the same?

Honestly, I don't either. But the way I see it, using something that is free and cross-platform is the easiest way for us to all work together. You may like Cakewalk. I like Logic (though I don't have a copy). Someone else may want to use GarageBand, etc etc etc. To top it all off, not all programs accept wav files (yeah, 98% do, but I'm trying to be inclusive). If you want to use your weapon of choice you could mix down a wav it import into your mulitrack, do your thang, then import your track to the Audacity mix.

Another reason to keep this from being a collection of loose files on a cd is to keep the contributor's vision intact. If everybody is recording to the same file the tracks will cue in and out at the appopriate time instead of everybody interpreting how the tracks relate to each other. Which brings me to...

(are we allowed to alter the tracks of those before us?)

I envision that once a tune reaches a certain number of tracks everybody who contributed will receive a copy so they can mix down a version for themselves. Two reasons fore this- one, I think comparing mixes at the end of this that could be as much fun as recording. That's where you'd be cutting and pasting.
Two, I think that each contributor's original track(s) should make it to the end in a clean state. I know I would be upset if my tracks were diced too early. That being said, I think that all's fair in love and the final mix.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
09:27 / 31.10.04
It sounds like a good idea. Count me in. Barbelith band: HO!
The Audion thing could work, anyone with more advanced software (I'm rockin' FL Studio, Abelton Live 3.0, Cubase SX, Reason, ACID 4.0, Cool Edit Pro...) could build loops in their weapon of choice and bring them into the Audion mix.
Oh, in addition to my programming sk1llz I can also provide a live drummer.
Seeing as nobody has bought this up... what style will we be playing in? Influences?
 
 
TeN
16:47 / 31.10.04
lekvar - alright, sounds good to me.

phex - I don't think we should limit it to a genre... the combined influences of all the contributors should make it so much more fun.
 
 
TeN
18:03 / 31.10.04
actually, now that I've thought about it, we're really limiting ourselves by not allowing altering of previous tracks until the end. I understand that a person wouldn't want their track massacred before it had a chance to be admired, but minor edits are really necessary to allow for full creativity. I don't think anyone would be angered if I paused there track in the middle of the song to add a break, and then started it where it left off ten seconds later. perhaps we should allow edits of previous tracks with the person's permission.

also, i think it would be a good idea to include on each cdr an mp3 mixdown of all the previous versions... that way we would be able to track the song's development.
 
 
lekvar
19:47 / 31.10.04
Well I've made my oppinions on early editing known and leave the final concensus to the majorty.

I think the mp3 mixdown is an excellent idea.
 
 
TeN
02:10 / 06.11.04
So, are we gonna start this or what?

lekvar, you start working on a track, and PM the next person (grant) when you're done to check if he's ready and to get an address.

the list of participants (in this order) is:
lekvar
grant
TeN
Phex

and that list can obviously be added to as more people express interest.

and guys, if everyone could try to get their part done and sent out in an absolute max of two weeks, I think we could all have enough time to work on our contribution, and still be able to get it to the next person before they become frustrated/bored.

I'm so exited! let's do this thing!
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
13:06 / 06.11.04
Any ideas on a name? I checked and 'Metallica' is already taken, dang it.
 
 
TeN
15:43 / 06.11.04
For the name, how about we vote on it.

Every time a song is finished, everyone who contributed can submit an idea for a title. Then we post the mp3 online somewhere and make a poll for people to vote on it, putting the link to that site in this thread. When everything was finished, we could do the same for band name and album title. Heck, we could even do what soulseek records does with their collaborative projects: vote on album art, which we could post on the site for people to download and print out.

Or we could just vote on a band name now.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
23:08 / 08.11.04
Weeeellll... I'm using the Mozilla Firefox browser and every time a new page comes up it says 'Loading...'. Seeing as we're using the worldspanninginterweb to communicate why not be:

'Loading...'

(Or Metallica #2)
 
 
lekvar
00:03 / 09.11.04
I was thinking "Telephonic Spree."
Because, you know...
Heh...
Telephonic.
Yeah.

That's kinda dumb. I like "Loading..."
There's also this and another list around here somewhere, I think.

or maybe "Post/Reply"
 
 
TeN
01:22 / 09.11.04
I like Load/Reply

But do you really think we should have something related to the idea of passing the song around? It might be cooler if we just ignored that and tried to come up with something completely unrelated... or even better, completely random!

Like in the vein of Acid Mothers Temple:
The Melting Electric Phreakadelic Neu Gets Zapped!
hahaha, that's just crazy enough to work

or maybe use a random band name generator or surrealism generator for inspiration:
Banana Moon Subverting the Sun
10,000 Highly Trained Lesbian Jumping Beans
Your Blood, Toes, and Hair
Dormant Nimrod-tectonic Plates
Another Hemidemisemiquaver
Coquettish Quartet
Radio Minister On Booger

or we could just open up the dictionary and pick a word at random...
Ophthalmia - inflammation of the conjunctiva or the eyeball
haha, maybe not

we could go the more traditional route, and pick something more mainstream... like The [insert thing here]s.

!!!
How about The Invisibles?! I'm not an Invisibles fan myself, but being that it has such a strong connection with the board, why not?
(I'm already thinking of some great coverart for this one)

Or maybe we could simply call it Barbelith Wandering Album, Volume One... or Barbemusic, or something of that nature. I don't know, just some ideas I thought I'd throw out there.
 
 
lekvar
01:37 / 09.11.04
Turbo Monkeydeath.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
16:07 / 09.11.04
I've been rockin' the random name generator, and here are a few choice picks:

Fleetwood Buddhist Bodyguards
The Damned Family
The Lone Beige Cult
Filthy Lonely Pope
Bloodthirsty Pure Booty
Twin Pain Priests
Thin Mexican Immigrants
Red Hot Lonely Loners
Rotating Vinyl House
 
 
TeN
21:05 / 09.11.04
hahaha.... Turbo Monkeydeath, Bloodthirsty Pure Booty (may I recomend Pure Bloodthirsty Booty?), Red Hot Lonely Loners, and Rotating Vinyl House are all especially awesome. I happen to like Banana Moon Subverting the Sun, 10,000 Highly Trained Lesbian Jumping Beans, and Radio Minister On Booger from my own runthrough with the generators.

On the topic of the project itself... lekvar, how far have you gotten with this? Sorry to be a nudge, but I'm excited and anxious for my turn. When you send it out, make sure to post here to update us all on the progress this is making.

Time to make the donuts!
 
 
lekvar
21:36 / 09.11.04
I've got a few basic songs layed out, I just need to put the tracks down. Bad news is my cd burner is non-functional right now (just burned out mid-week). I'm still doing diagnostics, hoping I don't have to buy a new one, and I hope to have it functioning before long, but if you want to start without me I wont take it personally.
 
 
lekvar
21:40 / 09.11.04
I second (third?) Red Hot Lonely Loners as project name.
10,000 Highly Trained Lesbian Jumping Beans, or Pure Bloodthirsty Bootyas album name, or possibly "Time to make the donuts!"
 
 
TeN
21:46 / 09.11.04
):

naw, that's alright, I'll wait.
if you want to make the tracks and email them to me (at this point, the files shouldn't be too huge), I could save them, add my own stuff, and then burn and send it all to grant, essentially jumping up a spot to avoid skipping yours. if grant objects to being skipped, then maybe he'd be willing to do the email thing instead of me. in any case, there's no reason to let a broken burner stop you from participating.
 
 
TeN
21:49 / 09.11.04
hahaha

band: 10,000 Highly Trained Lesbian Jumping Beans
album: Time to Make the Doughnuts!

unless anyone else can come up with something brilliant
that's my vote
 
 
TeN
22:33 / 09.11.04
Because I'm bored, have a photoshop addiction, and have waaay too much free time on my hands, I'm going to go ahead and make up some possible album artwork for some of the band names and titles suggested. I probably won't have anything finished by tonight, but expect some tomorrow.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
11:39 / 10.11.04
I'll second, or third, Red Hot Lonely Loners as a project title, with Pure Bloodthirsty Booty as an album name. Plenty of the above band names would work as song titles, I'm thinking Time To Make Doughnuts! as an intro...
 
 
TeN
18:50 / 10.11.04
alright, Phex, I guess we can consider that the final vote then...

Band: Red Hot Lonely Loners
Album: Pure Bloodthirsty Booty

I'm working on an album cover as we speak.

and I'd definitely support "Time to Make the Doughnuts" as an intro. which brings up a good point - if we wanted to make an intro, or some other very short piece (i'd consider "very short" to be mostly anything less than a minute... or maybe anything under 30 seconds), would we have to do the whole pass it around thing? maybe each of the contributers should make one, under 1 minute piece ourselves, and not have it added to by anyone else. It just seems kind of pointless to go through all that work for something so small.
 
 
lekvar
04:21 / 11.11.04
You mean sorta like the song bits at the end of TMBG's Flood? Could be cool.
 
 
TeN
22:38 / 18.11.04
lekvar - what is the status of this? no one has posted anything in a looong time.
 
 
at the scarwash
08:11 / 22.11.04
I'm definitely down. I do think that a stipulation enforcing that contributers are allowed to add a track rather than overwhelmingly restructuring the whole recording is necessary. Otherwise, what's to stop someone from saving the whole piece as a *.bmp or *.txt file, and then reconverting the output into sound (see the tigerbeat6 Wrong Application comp)?
 
 
lekvar
22:49 / 22.11.04
I thought I was the only person that did that!

OK- Status: In Progress. I will have something up by end-of-week. Thanks for being patient.
 
 
lekvar
21:27 / 27.11.04
I just wanted you to know that I am working on getting some tracks down, but I am encountering some MAJOR frustration with Audacity. Here's the scoop:

I'm using a Windows XP box for the recording. (I prefer Mac, but it's six years old - a little long in the tooth.) When I plug my amp into the line-in or mic-in I can hear my bass coming through my headphones, but Audacity can't find a signal to record unless I set the signal source to mono-mix, which causes a feedback loop. The audio card is clearly doing its part, Audacity is clearly finding a signal, just not on the correct channel.

The Audacity help suggested that I need to change the line that XP itself monitors, but being a Mac person, I have no idea how to do that.

Has anybody else faced this problem? Any XP gurus have a suggestion?

(I can hear the chorus saying "get some REAL multi-track software," but sadly that is not an option for me.)
 
 
TeN
22:25 / 28.11.04
Try recording the individual tracks using something else and then importing them into audion. Goldwave is a good shareware program that lets you have near full functionality without purchasing it. If push came to shove, you could even use Windows Recorder. If Windows Recorder doesn't work, then there's some other problem.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
23:36 / 28.11.04
Hate to bring this up, as it makes me sound like some no-good software pirating gringo, but if any of you other 'Loners need some higher spec sequencer programmes, audio editors and VST instruments then I could probably 'acquire' them for you.
Just make me up a list of what you'll need and I'll see what my "sources" (cough! cyborg ninjas! cough!) can dig up.
 
 
lekvar
22:10 / 29.11.04
TeN- Yeh, that's what I'm looking at doing at this point. Grumble grumble.

Phex- Thanx, but I'm not in a position right now where I can take advantage of your most generous offer.
 
 
grant
04:37 / 02.12.04
VST instruments?

Splain more!
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
13:00 / 02.12.04
Okay, I have two possible 'splainations based on your question:

If you're asking what they are: A VST instrument or 'soft-synth' is basically a musical instrument, usually a synthesizer, that can be played through your computer. There are a lot of different formats (Audio Units, DXi etc) but VST is the most popular and therefore most likely to be supported by whatever sequencer you're using. There are thousands you can download off the net, though some commercial products can cost £500+.

If you're asking what I've got: I use the Kontakt sampler and Pro-52 (which emulates the classic Prophet synth from the eighties). With these and some effects I can make just about any sound I want. FL Studio has some great VST instruments built in, like the Slayer guitar (good for Sunno))) style drones).
 
  

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