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Astonishing X-Men #2

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14:18 / 01.07.04

o so your whedon's mum. wondered why you were squealing like such a sow. sorry for taking your punchy-looking baby's thread off the rails.

delete this post if you want haus, i'm obviously being an arse and there's no need to say any of this, but if i hadn't spent my boring day pissing about on this thread this nearly-decent discussion would never have got going

ONLY NICE THINGS

14:23 / 01.07.04

Thanks, Suedehead...

I think Joss getting to write the X-Men can be compared to the little rich kid who gets to run daddy's company even though there are hundreds of other employees who have spent their lives to get to that point, just to have it snatched away right in front of faces. Instead of allowing room for new talent to be incorporated, they just get some famous fuck to put his name on the book so they can sell more. That’s all that this is about.

I don't think that's entirely fair. As Executive Decision said, Whedon has a pedigree and a following that he has earned, just not earned in comics. It's more like the CEO of another company being headhunted. And, rightly or wrongly, Marvel decided that it would make good business sense to hire Jeff, even if he cost more than, say, Ben Raab, in terms of publicity and of the sales and readers he might attract. Ultimately, long service probably doesn't entitle you to anything much more than a gold watch...

Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!

14:23 / 01.07.04

I don't see any need to delete any of the posts, myself, even if they are off topic/idiotic and pointless like Gumbo's there!

It's just seems to be in the nature of these rambling comic threads, really.

"See me for what I am, OK?"

14:26 / 01.07.04

And despite my moaning, it's kept me damn entertained for the last few hours.

14:36 / 01.07.04

Tannce, I'm not sure Bumble's post should be dignified with a response.

"See me for what I am, OK?"

14:44 / 01.07.04

Well, we could go the Buffy route and dignify Bumble's post with some violence.

Back to AXM...

It's interesting that Whedon is taking the opposite route from Morrison, and looking at mutation as something to be cured rather than humanity as something to be saved. The use of Beast in relation to this plot is also of note, especially if the last parts of 'Planet X' and 'Here Comes Tomorrow' are considered. If Whedon chooses to acknowledge Morrison's extinction plot, Hank could be using this cure as some sort of lifeline in his efforts to save humanity. Of course, it could be claimed that in the new timeline created by Jean in NXM 154, Hank has found a cure, and the whole thing is being ignored now.

Of course, if the cure is real, would thatmean that the humans formerly known as mutants would be subject to the extinction gene as well? Or would they be humans WITHOUT THE GENE? I kinda hope that this is where Whedon is going.

Thoughts?

Matthew Fluxington

16:35 / 01.07.04

I think Joss getting to write the X-Men can be compared to the little rich kid who gets to run daddy's company even though there are hundreds of other employees who have spent their lives to get to that point, just to have it snatched away right in front of faces.

That's totally absurd, and backwards in terms of logic. The company lifers who churn out mediocre material for years and years are not owed anything, and if they were just given this big writing gig, that's where unfair privilege would come in. Joss Whedon is a guy who earned his chance to write the X-Men by writing and producing successful tv shows which have a large cult following. If you believe in meritocracy, then it blows my mind that you'd believe that the company lifer is more qualified than the self-made man.

Chuck Austen, a man of negligable talent, who has never proven himself as a true success in any medium and had no fan base to speak, and who was given a gig on one of the main titles of the flagship franchise simply because he was pally with the editors is MUCH more analogous to your "rich kid."

17:12 / 01.07.04

I'd just like to point out that I'm not trying to anyone to like AXM (an absurd idea), just not dismiss it out of hand.

17:44 / 01.07.04

Er, what I meant to say...

I'm not trying to get anyone to like AXM.

05:16 / 02.07.04

Astonishing X-Men Dialogue that will never be uttered:

Kitty: Scott, I realize that Emma Frost is the new Jean Grey but could you maybe ask her to wear pants the next time we go on a mission. It’s kinda embarrassing having to face a hardened criminal when you’re standing next to someone with a cameltoe…

Scott: I'll look into it…

Logan: I bet you will.

Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!

06:50 / 02.07.04

Well, it's a good job Emma wears trousers now, isn't it? So that the infamous "we all feel embarassed buying this comic!" Quitely/Emma cover situation doesn't rear it's ugly head again for the more sensitive/easily embarassed/"I usually only buy worthwhile and important comics" types.

07:44 / 02.07.04

Ah Suedehead, not making sense as usual...

In which issue of Astonishing X-Men does this appear? When will it be on the newsstands in your head? I'd love a copy...I bet later on they’ll go up against a homemade wild sentinel that some human teenager built in his basement from plans, based on Cassandra Nova's designs, that he got off the internet. Brilliant, dear.

Regrettable Juvenilia

08:02 / 02.07.04

What?

08:14 / 02.07.04

I concur... what?

Emma's own solo series goes to show that people prefer her to cover up on the cover (ahem). All that T+A isn't a big draw for the young impressionable comic book buying children.

Did someone say Jim Lee? Oh I do apologise.

20:31 / 02.07.04

So everyone is debating and arguing about all this stuff, but no one is debating or speculating about why Ord is shown chillin' with Dr. Rao in the first pages of the first issue?

Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!

20:38 / 02.07.04

Dude, it's been covered, for serious. What is there to say? He was there, we'll see what happens. Oooh. I swear even you talked about it months ago...

08:22 / 03.07.04

Perhaps Ord is planning an invasion from the Breakworld and wants to get rid of all those troublesome mutants first. Perhaps he supplied Rao with the technology in the first place.

i got loadsa crazy ideas, me.

09:10 / 03.07.04

This thread needs... something.

09:11 / 03.07.04

Ah, yes...

16:56 / 03.07.04

>> Dude, it's been covered, for serious. What is there to say? He was there, we'll see what happens. Oooh. I swear even you talked about it months ago...

OK, I'll shut up about it now

And thanks for the chains, Bio. Maybe Whedon & Cassaday will put them on a redesigned Beast new costume. Maybe he stays furry and needs a leash, and only chains are strong enough to hold a feral Beast with the mind of a puppy dog.

19:08 / 03.07.04

I met Joss Whedon once. He told me he learned to write comics by studying some Alan Moore scripts his editor provided to him. They scared the hell out of him, as I recall. Alan writes massive scripts. I mean, he's got his own hole in a forest somewhere, and it's a mile across and denuded of anything that can be pulped into paper. Now go and read one of Joss' comics -- or use Bit Torrent to steal it off the internet, the way I did. (It's okay -- I was going to get Marvel to send me a copy, so I wasn't going to pay for it anyway.) (Yeah, yeah. Shut up.) It doesn't read like Alan's work, does it? He took what he needed from it -- how to pace comics, how to isolate moments, when to punch and when to go quiet -- and put his own voice on top of it. That's how to do it. Joss went on from that meeting to write an introduction to a PLANETARY collection wherein he made fun of my beard. And Alan's.

-Warren Ellis (from WARREN ELLIS: STREAMING over at comicon)

19:20 / 03.07.04

So.

You were all wrong about Buffy & Angel having a roll in Whedon getting a crack at the Xmen. Reading Alan Moore scripts and making fun of beards is what gets you a job on an X-Book. Suedey and I are primed for the big time.

The whole discussion about Whedons credentials for AXM is the most retarded thing to grace the comics forum since you lot argued about the symbolic meaning behind the holes in the Hulks purple pants.

ONLY NICE THINGS

11:31 / 04.07.04

I think we are largely agreed that the idea that Whedon has nbot "earned" a chance to write X-Men is pretty weak, as it assumes that a course that leads to Ben Raab, Scott Lobdell and Chuck Austen is the right one.

I'm more interested in whether this is having any success in *getting* new readers - at a guess it will get some comics readers who do not normally read X-Men, but not many non-comics readers, at least not until the GN release.

Haus of Mystery

11:52 / 04.07.04

These X-threads get so flippin' out of hand! People have disregarded the series before it even began. Basically John Wheddun seems to be managing perfectly well, balancing accurate continuity with a relatively uncluttered story, which nowadays is pretty difficult. I personally am less of a fan of the costumes, than Mozzer's leather look (but for fucks sake the man is a fetishist - all his characters wear leather) but I can live with it, as long as I want to pick up the next issue when I put the previous one down. I loved Buffy, but it's essentially got fuck all to do with this comic. And Haus' comment about 'credentials' is spot on - Fabian Nicieza et al had the X-franchise for years and it was unreadable cock.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

12:33 / 04.07.04

But but but why is NO-ONE talking about Ord watching the doctor and the girl through the mirror in issue one? < runs away giggling >

15:56 / 04.07.04

I'm more interested in whether this is having any success in *getting* new readers

I doubt it. The two biggest Buffy/Angel fans I know had no idea Whedon is writing the X-Men. Just like they had no idea he was writing Fray until I gave them the comics. I don't think the average Buffy fan reads Newsarama.

18:44 / 05.07.04

>> But but but why is NO-ONE talking about Ord watching the doctor and the girl through the mirror in issue one? < runs away giggling >

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