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Superman Returns - pre-release discussion

 
  

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FinderWolf
16:57 / 13.06.06
Too bad the CD won't have REM's "Superman" and Crash Test Dummies' "Superman's Song"...or old country dude Hal Ketchum's song "Hang In There Superman" (I'm sure I'm the only person on the East Coast who knows that one).
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
17:05 / 13.06.06
What about the song about how much it sucks to be Superman by Five For Fighting?
 
 
tickspeak
20:22 / 13.06.06
Spin Doctors' "Jimmy Olson Blues"??? Anyone?


Anyone?
 
 
Dead Megatron
08:56 / 15.06.06

11 clips of Superman Returns just went on-line
 
 
FinderWolf
14:17 / 15.06.06
I'm right there with ya, tickspeak.

The 'official visual guide to the movie' just came out - a nice hardcover that I peeked through a few times. It had a spoiler or two...I only saw one. I'd heard about this one aspect being in the film briefly and there's a pic of it there....should I spoil? It's not even that big a deal, but it's cool. Spoiler space? Wait a few weeks? What do you all think? (hint: it is an article of clothing someone wears)
 
 
Professor Silly
17:03 / 15.06.06
holy shit--that airplane clip just reduced me to a little boy, tears in my eyes from the excitement!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:33 / 16.06.06
That'll be 'Pocket Full of Kryptonite' I think you're thinking of tickspeak.

Personally John Byrne hates it. That's about as good a recommendation as I can think of.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
14:36 / 16.06.06
Pocket Full Of Kryptonite was the album name. Jimmy Olsen's Blues was the track name, despite its chorus featuring the album name. When you are ready to have a serious conversation about The Spin Doctors, you have my email address...
 
 
CameronStewart
15:08 / 16.06.06
>>>should I spoil? It's not even that big a deal, but it's cool. Spoiler space? Wait a few weeks? What do you all think?<<<

I can tell you're REALLY excited about this movie, Finder, but....why don't you just wait.
 
 
tickspeak
15:39 / 16.06.06
Nope! The album is Pocket Full of Kryptonite, but the song is Jimmy Olson Blues. But thanks for playing.


And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why you should never be unnecessarily snarky before reading to the bottom of the thread.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:04 / 16.06.06
I didn't think anyone was being snarky about the Spin Doctors song...just expressing what they thought was the correct name.

And never fear, Cameron, I was not going to spoil, just giddily tempted to. And yes, my giddiness runneth over indeed for this film; please excuse my super-excitement... which has sometimes taken the form of posting about things like breakfast cereal art related to Superman Returns.

I just read a few [mostly non-spoiler, and I skipped past most of the spoilers they reveal] reviews over at Aint It Cool News that give it mostly high marks overall.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:07 / 16.06.06
and despite the fact that I already know perhaps too much about this movie, I am refraining from watching any of the 11 film clips linked above, even the one Prof. Silly raved about, for fear of just seeing too much of the film before it comes out. Though I am tempted... [insert struggling superhero voice] Must...not....watch...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:19 / 17.06.06
Do you know, I actually feel glad that I was wrong about The Spin Doctors and their first album, soap-dodging, unlucky-in-love troubodors that they were. That's a couple of neurons I wasted by once listening to their album, when I could have done something much more profitable like burn them out smoking crack instead.
 
 
Triplets
09:43 / 17.06.06
Knife fight!
 
 
Haus of Mystery
20:47 / 18.06.06
I'll be snarky about the Spin Doctors if you like!
 
 
tickspeak
14:49 / 19.06.06
I'm so good at editing posts to make them even MORE confusing than before!

When I said "unnecessarily snarky" I meant myself. Specifically the very post in which the words appeared. Sorry. And now the number of posts referring exclusively to the Spin Doctors in a thread ostensibly about the upcoming Superman movie is at like 8. Three of which are mine. What the hell does it take to get banned on this board???
 
 
FinderWolf
14:32 / 21.06.06
I've seen & read several advance reviews; most are very positive. I've seen only one negative review, from a regular writer at Newsarama, which just sounds like the writer didn't even like the original Donner movies much and complains about the movie not being fanboy slavishy devoted enough to the comics. (which seems like typical negative Newsarma bashing) Comic Book Resources gave it a very positive, glowing short review as well.

Yahoo has this to report (an article about the overall positive reviews the movie is getting; no spoilers in this article).
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
04:58 / 28.06.06
This movie is to movies what Superman is to superheroes.

Everything you've ever wanted to see in a Superman movie and tons of things you never thought of. Honestly, the Donner films are quaint curios, a nice try, but this film makes it abundantly clear that no one should have tried to make a Superman movie until the technology existed to make this one. Seriously.

The flying, the OUTRAGEOUS feats of strength all feel solid as a god damned rock. The performances all mesh well into the fabric of the film and its world. Brandon Routh is a perfect choice, as you don't think of anything else but Clark Kent and Superman when you see him. Posey and Spacey were fantastic. There's stuff in there that unless you've been spoiled (I wasn't) might legitimately surprise you. And if you haven't been spoiled you will literally have no idea where this is headed next.

But what really sells it is the detail. The dust. The sonic booms. The atmosphere. It is the most seamless live action superhero movie I've ever seen.

Just as there are some things Superman can't do, and that's why other heroes exist, obviously there are a myriad of other movies that can't do what this one does. That are exceptional in their own ways. They are subtle where this movie is bold. But just like there are some things only Superman can do, there are some things only this movie can do. You've never known what a Superman could actually do until you've seen this movie, trust me.

The strange thing is, I'm not compelled to see it again like RIGHT NOW. It is eminently satisfying and gratifying and when it ends, you don't want it to start over. Or at least I didn't. It's iconic, the way Superman is, and that's not the kind of thing, I guess, you can just get pummled by again and again.

I certainly will see it again, but I doubt it will be the same experience. Not knowing at all what to expect, I think I was able to really enjoy the film on its own terms, without waiting for this part or that part. Everything was completely fresh and awe inspiring when it needed to be.

Just one really incredible movie.

And Finder, that reviewer was Mike SanGiacomo, the man who tried to convince the world that Paul Gulacy was what was right in comic books and people like Darwyn Cooke and Cameron Stewart were what was terribly terribly wrong with them.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
05:53 / 28.06.06
I have seen this film. It is quite enjoyable. Easilly the most satisfying superhero movie since Spider-Man 2. Worlds beyond that X3 rubbish. It just feels... right, I suppose. You should go see it if you have not.


Teehee. "Krrrrrrrypt-tinite." Giggle.
 
 
CameronStewart
05:57 / 28.06.06
Benjamin, I agree wholeheartedly (about the movie, I mean, not about San Giacomo ).

From the still photos I'd seen, from the trailers, from the bits I'd read, I had reservations. I thought Routh looked too young and thin, I thought Kate Bosworth was unconvincing as both a seasoned reporter and a brunette, I had my little nitpicks about the costume.

But I absolutely adored Superman Returns from beginning to end. Routh was a perfect choice, there wasn't a minute in it that I didn't completely buy him as Superman and Clark Kent. The action scenes are exciting and epic, the flying scenes are breathtaking, Spacey manages to be both funny and truly sinister. There was one scene (I won't spoil it) that almost had me in tears, and I really wasn't expecting that.

There's one plot development that is a significant deviation from the comics, and I'm not quite sure how it will play out in subsequent films, but for this one at least it didn't bother me.

Loved it. Loved it loved it.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
05:59 / 28.06.06
That'll be 'Pocket Full of Kryptonite' I think you're thinking of tickspeak.

Personally John Byrne hates it. That's about as good a recommendation as I can think of.


Oh, be fair. He didn't actually SEE it, he just hated it based on what he'd heard about it.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
06:06 / 28.06.06
I saw it in an Imax trheater with four sequences in 3D, and I have to say that I liked it a LOT more than I thought I would. Spacey carried the movie on his back, and while the Superman sequences were well done, I kept wanting the movie to go back to Luthor. The plot was well done, and fed off of the older movies without wallowing in them.

It also reminded me why I like the Movie Superman so much more than the comic book Superman. He is, at heart, a very simple character, and the movie remembered that, making the PLOT complicated and not his reaction to it, if it makes any sense.

Parker Posey in ANY movie makes it better, but I was really surprised how well she did at the "sidekick" part.

Bosworth didn't look old enough to drive, let alone be a reporter who's been in the business for at LEAST seven or so years.

My nitpicks were actually mentioned by someone behind me in the theater who said, "They should call him Super-Stalker."
 
 
DaveBCooper
09:52 / 28.06.06
Apologies if this has already been answered elsewhere, but if this is taking up where Superman II ended, does it feature Ma and Pa Kent alive ? I’m not really bothered, as it’s now part of the accepted situation that they’re alive (Lois and Clark, Smallville etc), but I’m just curious. As I say, sorry if this has been dealt with elsewhere.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
11:37 / 28.06.06
it seems only ma kent is alive...

haven't seen it myself yet - only next month here - but why are some bummed by the super-stalker thing? supes has done worse in comics anyway. =)

is the 3d thing well done? i'll probably not have those here as well.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
12:42 / 28.06.06
From the opening sequences featuring the John Williams
score, there is a nod toward the original film's
style. It's immediately clear that Bryan Singer
understand the character and has hit the nail on the
head with his vision of the comic book character on
film. I had read that the directot had immense
adoration for the first two films and had set his
feature to follow them, but to see a modern movie,
released a good twenty years since the last time
Christopher Reeves donned the tights to fight a
supervillain borne from the Cold War and voiced by an
uninspired Gene Hackman still embrace its celluloid
legacy is nothing short of ingenius and touching.

And the honoring of material is not restricted to the
previous films. Acute viewers will notice a very
direct reference to the character's first appearance
in Action Comics as he tips a car over his head (this
time to save the driver rather than bully a crook).

The performances are top notch and without giving
anything away, Kevin Spacey gives one of his most
understated and restrained performances (good thing)
and James Marsden his most lively (very good thing).
Parker Posy delivers some welcome humor and even
pathos to the film with her character, a direct
reference to the first film's Miss Tessembacher.
Brandon Routh arrives as a successor to Reeves'
performance and does it great honor. From his diction
and poise to the awkward physical language and
humanity of Clark Kent, Routhe doesn't so much imitate
Reeves' performance, but does it homage. He saves a
crashing aircraft only to deliver a speech that 'I
hope this haven't put you off on flying' and you can't
help but see the character for what he is, a simple
country boy in overly designed tights.

And that brings us to the costume, here redesigned to
apparently make the average American feel even more
self conscious about his or her body. The sleek lines
and ribbed material hammer home that this is a perfect
human devoid of fatty tissue, lithe as a swimmer but
with the power of a God. Apparently he does a lot of
walking as well because the costume features the
biggest boot soles I've ever seen outside of a Hot
Topic, complete with little S's on the back heel in
case you were worried that you had misstaken the Man
of Steel for someone else.

The tone of the film is one of hope, something that in
the current climate of global war we have lost sight
of. Superman watches world wide insanity reign over
the globe first over TV airwaves then in a very moving
scene as he listens from space, drinking in the
implications of a world without heroes where a blue
and red savior will not be coming to defuse a bomb,
rescue hostages or even put out a house fire.

The danger is not just that this world is in danger,
it's bitter and cold without a hero. Indignant, the
people Superman used to protect have moved on. Like a
spurned lover, the world is trying to act like they're
better off without him. The story goes that Superman
left five years ago without a word to anyone. He was
thought gone forever and his biggest fan, Lois Lane,
turned her back on him, winning acclaim for writing an
article against him, building a case for why he was
never needed in the first place.

Superman's return is not just for the world that the
film is set in, but for the audience as well who, if
lucky, have put behind the fourth (there were four?)
film so many years ago. With the return of the
Metropolis Marvel, there is hope, there is a safety
net in the fact that there is a savior to answer our
cries for help, something to keep the monsters at bay.

Well, at least in the movies... at least for the
summer.
 
 
Seth
12:55 / 28.06.06
Alas
When I compose my own
Superman Review
I fear I can only aspire
To the beauty
Of the above
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
12:57 / 28.06.06
I know, the meter is WAY off.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:16 / 28.06.06
Righty. Could reviews of the movie please be placed in a new thread? I'm going to move to change the title of this one to "Superman Returns - pre-release discussion" and then to lock it, as discussed in Policy.

This thread is now being moved for unlocking, for readers in the UK and elsewhere still awaiting its release. Please drive carefully if it is unlocked.
 
  

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