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Joetheneophyte
06:12 / 09.03.04
Bush? Kerry?

all the same


same wolves, different clothing


that idea about giving Bush a soul is actually quite interesting. Do what Dr Strange did to Galactus in the Fantastic Four years ago......cast spells or charge sigils so that Bush develops a conscience about his past acts!

Then again, if you do that and he acts upon it, his masters will either kill him or sideline him via some scandal. Karmically, you might be responsible (indirectly) for his death or ruin

Ruin I can happily live with but even I don't want to see the idiot dead........ I couldn't live with that on my conscience

No the best type of spell you can cast is to ask that Politics in general becomes more fair and balanced. Get rid of the corruption that permeates "both" major parties and the individuals who take sweeteners from big industry.

The best way forward would be to cap the amount of money a candidate can amass in their media campaigns AND where they get this money from.
There should be full disclosure of all contributors or better yet, big business should not be allowed to contribute at all.

I know it is a pipe dream but under the current situation, there is never going to be anything but a two horse race, where the same people own both horses. Kerry will win in my opinion but he is hardly better than the incumbent idiot in chief. Another Skull and Bones Yale whiteboy, replacing an ermmmmmmmm Skull and Bones Yale White Boy!


I'm from the UK and I am sure that our system is every bit as bad as yours. Shit I voted for Blair last time and now I hate him....the only viable alternative is a loathsome creature called Michael Howard who is amazingly even more slimy and scaley than Phony Bliar himself.
So do I not vote? I will probably vote for an outsider but whilst I know we are given the illusion of democracy, it is hard NOT to get enraptured in all this stage managed nonsense. Even now, I find myself despising Michael Howard as much because my father does, as for my own beliefs
We are indoctrinated from an early age to support one party. We miss the big picture that they are more similar than dissimilar and we get divided over emotive issues like Abortion, whilst the two parties BOTH follow fiscal policies that allow the drain of Western jobs to the far east sweatshops

Utter bollocks the lot of it


Now how do I cast that spell

How do cast my sigil when I'm to stressed to get an erection :-)
 
 
Z. deScathach
06:52 / 09.03.04
so....how's your dizfactor: anyway, i really like the idea that Z. deScathach and Fae Mage were discussing with some kind of emergent meta-working. it's kind of smart-mobby and very much in line with the sort of thinking which is starting to emerge from the husk of postindustrial society. so would everyone work the coordinating meta-sigil into their own work, or what?

I would thing that the best way to appoach it would be to have everyone create their own sigils, project them at an agreed upon time, and have someone coordinate the workings into a single force using a meta-sigil. Don't look at me, while I will happily participate in the working by crafting my own sigil, I'm just getting over pneumonia, and performing a meta-sigil would probably knock me into the dirt. As far as dangerous Bush-protecting masturbators, well, you only live once. Besides, who says that just because they are masturbators in positions of authority, that they are any better than we are? (Don't say it.....)
 
 
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09:01 / 09.03.04
Another Skull and Bones Yale whiteboy, replacing an ermmmmmmmm Skull and Bones Yale White Boy!

You've gotta be joking...............sometimes i just lose all hope, i really do.
 
 
Shanghai Quasar
11:29 / 09.03.04
If I may interject, again, I don't believe Bush lacks a conscience. He just doesn't strike me as someone with the Tin Woodsman complex. Some of his actions are not rational, they're based in his faith and his belief, and the man probably feels horrible about the deaths of innocent persons. However, there is a line drawn with regard to what has to be done, in that Neo-Con worldview, to make America a "better" place. Sacrifices must be made for the greater good that will inevitably come about. Wipe your tears, God will know his own... and so on.

The basic premise behind all the actions of the Bush Administration is that America should be the strongest state in the world, Christianity the strongest religion in the world, and that strength, in turn, will enrich the lives of the entire world. It's happy utopian idealism, the stuff from which the majority of political thought is made. Make America a stronger Christian nation and it will melt the burdens of the world through Christian charity.

As to corruption, that's the inevitable part of any given power structure. Bush himself may even be corrupt to some level, but that does not change what he seems to believe about the world and the nature of American power in the world. It just means he can justify padding a few pockets in the process.

Or maybe I'm wrong, and Bush is a little wooden puppet with no heart. I'm not saying that he's right or should be kept in office, I'm just suggesting that perhaps Bush isn't being dealt a fair hand in some of the descriptions we've seen. The guy is still human, right?

And this has very little to do with magic, so... if Bush is a little wooden puppet with no heart, does that mean the Elders of Zion animated him? If so, where on his body did they hide the Hebrew marking that brought him to life?
 
 
Salamander
22:47 / 09.03.04
oh yeah yeah, there all working for the same thing that has ultimate control, it's when I hear or read stuff like that that I lose hope. I mean, come on, who's in control really,...no one! If they are working for the same "thing", then that thing is giving us a choice, domestic focus or world wide focus (with a heavy dose of foreigner slaughter), I choose domestic, they both may be out to screw us, but at least Kerry will for the most part Just Screw Us, not the poor unfortunates not living here (yes that was sarcasm). Anyway, I just don't like Bush, I mean, I just don't like the little bastich, his smug, "I got the presidency in a coup and didn't get caught" little smile, man screw him!
 
 
Joetheneophyte
05:57 / 10.03.04
In my rush I didn't articulate my opinion (and that is all it is) very well

What I meant was this:

Politics today, is so corrupt and malleable to the wishes of big business that in my opinion, we are given the illusion of two choices.

Both major parties are funded by the same interests. Coca Cola will give hundreds of thousands to each campaign as will numerous other mega businesses. Admittedly the Republicans will receive more big oil money but even the Democrats will get huge campaign funds from various oil companies.

I know it is an oversimplification to state that Bush and Kerry are in league. I don't really think they probably even like each other

But I for one am perplexed, worried and concerned that the two Presidential candidates, out of all the millions of people in the US, were BOTH members of the same College Secret Society

Allegedly, the Skull and Bones society only allow 15 new entrants each year. My maths is poor but I think it is safe to assume that there are probably less than a thousand Skull and Bones people alive at any one time......yet in the forthcoming election, the two candidates are just that!?

I know that the Skull and Bones society might just seem like a fraternity to some of you but I suspect there is something more to it than that. Again I maybe wrong but I found it chilling that Bush was allowed to answer "I cannot talk about that" when asked about his time in the society

This man, forgets he is still an elected official. Yes he is allowed his privacy but to clear up any concerns, as a leader, he should be honest as possible with his electorate.

I personally do think that John Kerry will cause less harm to the planet than Bush but I sincerely believe that whilst the lesser of two bad choices (Kerry at least had the courage of his convictions and went to Vietnam), the haemorhaging of jobs overseas will continue and for ordinary working and middle class people in the US, the situation will hardly improve at all.
It is still my contention that all you have is Republican or Republican Lite

We get so wound up arguing for our candidate and over issues like Abortion, that we miss that economically both parties are more similar than not.
Politics has been reduced to SPORTS, with us all chanting for our favourite team. Sadly (and again just my opinion), we don't see that the Bookie has fixed the match and bought both teams

All just idle speculation on my part. It is probably too extreme a view but I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle between my admittedly conspiracy minded nonsense and total devotion to the electoral ideal
 
 
gravitybitch
14:26 / 10.03.04
Time for triage?? (There's a lovely thread here for discussing the pros and cons of Kerry vs Bush....)

I think we're pretty much agreed that Kerry's likely to do less damage to world peace and the environment and the US Constitution (and Supreme Court) than Bush.

How about a list of things to work for/consider?

The capture of Osama bin Laden would be likely to catapult Bush back into office... likewise another terrorist strike.

Rigged - pardon me, faulty - electronic voting could do the same, though not by the same margin; as might limiting access to polls as happened in Florida last time around.

Enlightening Bush on how it's not just the rich white folk who count...

Bringing all Bush&Co's dirty deals and lies into the public's general awareness.

Working for more holistic thinking and fair leadership in the White House and in the rest of the country.

Making Bush's mis-statements look utterly ridiculous - maybe "hexing" his handlers out of the way so that he gets asked real questions that he doesn't have canned answers for?

"Hexing" the Republican party and the Skull and Bones society??

I know there are more good avenues for workings out there...

If we do a meta-working, we might need a coordinator (although I have to wonder if GEK might be able to tie the workings together?) and we need a master sigil to hook into. And, more than one coordinated working might be appropriate - we have a couple of full moons left between now and November...
 
 
slinkyvagabond
17:58 / 10.03.04
I like "working for more holistic thinking in the White House and in the rest of the country". By proxy this means the rest of the world. Bush as an individual? He's dust, the same as the rest of us, it's not within the ability of any living individual on this plane to demonstrate to him the error of his ways. One "day" he will know. In the meantime it seems that sigilising for a more compassionate planet can do no harm. Stand up and be counted in some miniscule way - yes, it's true that Bush, Kerry and whoever are just different dogs owned by the same master ( I mean the big businesses, corporate interests, not some kind of Morrisonesque entities. But maybe them too.) but surely that is not lisence to lie down and let them slobber on your prone body. Remember, that's apathy kids. That's how they want you to feel.

DISOBEDIENCE
 
 
FinderWolf
18:31 / 10.03.04
>> I like "working for more holistic thinking in the White House and in the rest of the country".

So do I. I also like the idea of adding in (from above):

>> Enlightening Bush on how it's not just the rich white folk who count...

And I would add "and all politicians" after "Bush" in that sentence.

>> Bringing all Bush&Co's dirty deals and lies into the public's general awareness.

Maybe add: No capture of Osama until after the Sept. 2004 election?

If we program this sigil/servitor with too many statements of intent, will it muck up the works? Do we need to try to streamline all this to keep it as simple as possible?

Is 'holistic' too general or vague a word for the above? Since sigils and servitors need to be really explicit and clear, I wonder if 'holistic' is a little too open to interpretation...?

How about:

THE 2004 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN THE UNITED STATES WILL BEGIN A TIME WHERE THE WHITE HOUSE AND GOVERNMENT POLITICIANS IN GENERAL WILL THINK IN MORE HUMANISTIC TERMS AND DEVELOP A GREATER CONSIDERATION FOR AND SENSITIVITY TOWARDS RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE, THE ENVIRONMENT. THE WHITE HOUSE AND GOVERNMENT WILL FOSTER PRACTICAL CHANGE TO TRULY IMPROVE THE LIVES OF THE AVERAGE CITIZEN AND FOSTER LIBERTY, OPPORTUNITY AND FREEDOM. THE CYCLE OF THE UNITED STATES AS REPRESSIVE, ARROGANT BULLY OF THE WORLD WILL END IN SEPTEMBER 2004.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
19:25 / 10.03.04
That would just about do it :-)


Sadly the virus of rampant greed has spread far and wide, with many European countries following the destructive PROFIT BEFORE EVERYTHING mentality.


As you said, Sigils for Planetary happiness can only do good and cannot harm. I keep chuckling about another post earlier in this thread....the thought of the White House having it's own counter Sorcery Division

Maybe that's what John Ashcroft and his boys do of a morning when they get together (is it the White House or the Pentagon?)

Well whatever

just imagine Ashcroft and boys .....8.00am , in a circle , trousers around their ankles

"Masturbation is a sin but God will forgive this transgression for the greater good....it says in the Bible that the seed should not be spilled......join me my bretheren.......lift one hand to the Lord and let the other do it's duty, counteracting those terrorist SumBitch's who would cast their black magic against this noble institution"


what a horrible thought!
 
 
Joetheneophyte
19:43 / 10.03.04
since I wrote that last piece I went over to RENSE.COM and low and behold there was a link about Skull and Bones

I smiled at the coincedence (well it wasn't that startling considering the proliferation of conspiracy minded stuff on Rense)

but anyway,the link was to Alex Jones' Prison Planet site

If you have a spare five minutes listen, it is very telling.

Now I admit, I am a conspiracy nut but even the less conspiracy minded of you should listen to this

it is an audio link from Rush Limbaugh's show, where a caller catches him on the hop with a question about Skull and Bones

Initially, Rush pleads ignorance and tries to make a joke about voodoo.....he then does a complete turnaround and says "sure I hae heard about Skull and Bones" and then tries to make out there is nothing sinister

Now there might not be anything sinister at all BUT THE QUESTION HAS GOT TO BE ASKED WHY DID RUSH LIE AND WHAT IS HE SCARED OF?

www.prisonplanet.com/030904inaflap.html


It is hilarious to listen to him within 2 minutes go from pleading ignorance, to playing down the importance of this 'well known' institution

I have respect for Mr Jones. Don't always agree with him but he is brave and I believe honest in his convictions. Give the clip a listen, it is hilarious to hear the u turn from Rush's lips
 
 
FinderWolf
20:09 / 10.03.04
Oh, and maybe I would suggest adding to my statement of intent A DEMOCRAT WILL WIN THE SEPTEMBER 2004 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. (thereby ensuring at least no Bush, no Cheney)
 
 
Shanghai Quasar
20:27 / 10.03.04
iszabelle: Why would anyone want to hex the Skull and Bones society? Supposing that they are as influential and powerful as they're painted, that strikes me as a fairly bad idea. For much the same reason that one wouldn't throw stones at an atom bomb.

As to enlightening Bush (or any politician) that it's more than just rich white folk who count, they're aware of that. It's the people who vote for them who count. In the case of Bush, the Conservatives and their allies. Pandering to people who aren't going to give him their votes would be rather a waste of his time.

The most magical thing you can do is convince people to vote for your candidate of choice. How's that for a brilliant little sigil? A sigil against extreme voter apathy. A burst of white hot energy and enthusiasm cast out into the electorate.

Neophyte: Ashcroft is presently in the hospital, thanks to a nasty case of gallstone pancreatitis, recovering from gallbladder removal. That'll take some of the bile outta him! Ah hah hah! Ugh.

As to his whereabouts when not in the hospital, I'd wager that he spends more time at the Justice Department than the White House or Pentagon. He works his will using the magic of American Law -- go ahead, try and hex him or his friends. He'll have you all arrested for conspiracy to commit terror... or maybe narcotics trafficking.
 
 
Shanghai Quasar
20:29 / 10.03.04
Hunterwolf: A Democrat will win the electoral or the popular vote? Specifics, specifics.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:36 / 10.03.04
Shanghai - good call. Let's specify the ELECTORAL VOTE, then.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:38 / 12.03.04
Speaking of Bush already seeming to have uncanny bad luck and maybe even be hexed already:

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the following is from a terrific and very funny poster who posts over on www.comicscommunity.com very often by the name of ahbay. All commentary here is (c) 2004 ahbay khosla.

look at this-- http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/03/12/stern/index.html:

The pioneering shock jock, "the man who launched the raunch," as the Los Angeles Times once put it, has emerged almost overnight as the most influential Bush critic in all of American broadcasting, as he rails against the president hour after hour, day after day to a weekly audience of 8 million listeners. Never before has a Republican president come under such withering attack from a radio talk-show host with the influence and national reach Stern has.

[...]

"Our research shows many, many people in the 30- to 40-year-old range who were Bush supporters are rethinking that position and turning away from Bush because of what Howard Stern has been saying," says Harrison.

[...]

"Overnight, Stern's probably increased by an important percentage the amount of talk-radio airtime that is not right-wing," notes Martin Kaplan, associate dean of the University of Southern California's Annenberg School for Communications.

[...]

"Karl Rove and the White House would have to be brain-dead to not know they have a problem here," says Goyette.

There are early signs that Bush supporters are indeed nervous about Stern's crusade. This week Limbaugh wrote a newspaper Op-Ed column dismissing Stern's claims against Bush as coming from "the left-wing fringe." (Stern returned fire, labeling Limbaugh a Bush "lackey.")

[...]

here's the good part:

Stern's torrent of Bush barbs came in the wake of Clear Channel Communications' move in late February to pull Stern off six of its stations, condemning his program as "vulgar, offensive and insulting." Following the controversial Super Bowl halftime show featuring Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson, Clear Channel, like most major broadcasters, was under scrutiny over allegations it broadcast indecency. Clear Channel's radio chief was scheduled to testify before Congress where he was sure to face hostile questioning. On the eve of that congressional appearance, Clear Channel, which had never raised serious concerns about Stern's show before, suspended the program from its radio outlets.

my god- janet jackson's titty might save civilization!!!

Approximately 8 million listeners tune in each week. And at any given moment during his four-hour program roughly 1.4 million people are tuned in. By way of comparison, that's more than the number of morning viewers at any given time watching Fox News, CNN and MSBNC -- combined.

... wow.

what a WONDERFUL country this would be- and I SERIOUSLY don't mean this in any sort of ironic way- that after lie after lie, after getting the country into a fucked up war/occupatoin based on manufactured propaganda, destroying the environment, mishandling the war on terror, appointing religious freaks everywhere they can...

what a wonderful country this would be if trying to fuck up the howard stern show was the thing to finally bring those fucking criminals down.

i wouldn't believe it if it was in a movie, you know?

-- ahbay

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gravitybitch
13:47 / 21.06.04
bump

Full moon coming up.... Time to draw your sigils and buy lube, if you lean that way!
 
 
Skeleton Camera
17:58 / 21.06.04
I'm in on this as well. Holistic sigil work is THE way to go - are we agreed up the long, previously posted message? Or are we going to wing it and each use our own? And should we sync it for the next full moon?

Stuff like this MAKES MY DAY. Magic happy madness!!!!
 
 
Aertho
18:03 / 21.06.04
Uhmmm... I'm worried I may do the Bad Thing and vote Bush > so as to save another man from worldwide defamation.

Every day I see more and more anti-Saudi news on the internet. I can feel the future shaping up and we may end up invading ANOTHER country in the mideast, just in time for the non-surprise of unveiling the capture of Osama just in time for November voting. With that all taken into account, what happens if we DO elect Kerry and he pulls out? Do things get better on their own, or does the middle east superorganism retaliate by attacking their oppressor once his back is turned?

I foresee trouble if different action is taken too quickly. I almost think we should continue there for entire generation. If Bush is to blame, then so be it, why spread the agony onto another President? Our Armies are there to contain the problem. We may have started it, but it's not going to get better on its own.

I dunno. Thoughts?
 
 
Lebra
20:03 / 21.06.04
You flaming liberals are getting it all wrong. You want Bush to get reelected so Hillary can win in 2008! Furthermore, you want Cheney to stay on the ticket, because if he gets replaced by Rudy Giulianni then he'll beat Hillary in four years.
 
 
Aertho
20:42 / 21.06.04
I think we ALL know that Hillary is scheduled for presidency in 2012.
 
 
gravitybitch
13:51 / 22.06.04
OK, back to practical matters. Do we want to try for a metaworking this time around? (Does anybody want to contribute a metasigil, or do we want to just tie everything to the "No W" in the original post?)

This full moon should be particularly juicy in the US, coming as it does at the start of the Fourth of July weekend. Just think of all those lovely fireworks being ejaculated for millions of spectators to appreciate...
 
 
Tamayyurt
15:09 / 22.06.04
No that "No W" isn't a proper sigil... can any one with some artistic talent design and post a stylish sigil for the Full Moon 4th of July working?
 
 
gale
15:42 / 22.06.04
I'm in for the fourth.

By the way, I have in my possession a real live autographed photo of the Man, and I have been waiting for the right time to do something with it. July 4th is it.
 
 
Aertho
20:03 / 22.06.04
I got some talent... I'm a graphic designer. Should I try to incorporate the July Fourth motif? Are we focussing on GWB in particular, or the downfall of the GOP? Is this aimed at ending war, or ending stupidity? Is this confined to first world politics, or shoudl i try to encompass a more global appeal? What are you thinking? I design better with conversation.
 
 
Skeleton Camera
21:26 / 22.06.04
I would keep it focused on the White House and the US government rather than GWB himself. The point isn't to hex him but to turn around the state of US affairs. Given July 4th's preprogrammed political weight, and the resultant energy crackling in the air, I seriously think we could accomplish more than just firing something at Bush.

What about the previously posted statement?
 
 
Tamayyurt
01:37 / 23.06.04
Chad, I don't think we should over shoot here. Let's keep this specific. The goal here is to keep Bush from winning the election. (I know, he technically didn't win the first time.) So let's get even more specific.

"Bush will not be President for this coming term." There's your statement of intent. You can flesh it out with more touchy feely messages and good vibes but at the core I want it to be simple.

Now, lets see some brilliant magickal designs.
 
 
gravitybitch
13:50 / 23.06.04
To refresh everybody's memories - Cheney scares the fuck out of me, worse than Bush. We don't want a Republican president, and it's better to state things in positive form.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:04 / 23.06.04
I'm a fan of not putting negative words like "not" in sigils -- so how about "John Kerry will be elected President in November 2004"?
 
 
FinderWolf
14:07 / 23.06.04
and actually, just to be extra-specific, maybe it should be "John Kerry will be elected President of the United States in November 2004". We don't want to end up with Kerry losing the Presidential election but being elected President of the Rotary Club or President of the U.S. Veterans Society, etc.
 
 
BARISKIL666
14:20 / 23.06.04
I think it would be like pissing in the wind to be honest,just like voting,though every vote does count,I would say every curse would as well.I'm usually apolitical but this guy's a w**ker,I'm sure him and whatshisname, the arab with the beard,wank over each others photos all the time.They're their own best freinds.Their respective power feeds off one another.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:35 / 23.06.04
Yes, but we're here to discuss positive change that might actually help result in the course of events we want. If we all gave up because 'it's all like pissing into the wind' then no one would try to change anything and the world (or at least, the current US administration) would still just suck. (cheesy inspirational music plays in the background) May be cheesy, but true. Let's not worry about how the big boys feed into each others' B.S. - we already know about that and that's not within our circle of influence at the moment. What is within our power is our vote and this sigil project. (inspirational music dies down, end Jimmy Stewart idealistic speech mode)
 
 
FinderWolf
17:24 / 23.06.04
Apparently Bruce Springsteen is planning on having an "Get Bush Out" concert soon, in NY/NJ to coincide with the Republican national convention...that's good news, at least it's something.

And also, under the 'weird and encouraging' file...

>> Posted: Jun 22, 2004 4:33 pm Post subject: Hunter Thompson meets John Kerry! Ye Gods!

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http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/politics/2640776

KERRY LOOKS TO COLORADO, MEETS HUNTER S. THOMPSON

Before his speech in Denver, Kerry attended a fund-raising luncheon in Aspen that raised $500,000. Kerry was greeted at the Aspen airport by legendary wild man author Hunter S. Thompson, inventor of ``gonzo'' journalism -- the reporting of facts from a personal perspective.

The two, who have met before, rode together in Kerry's motorcade to the mountainside home of airline leasing executive and major Democratic donor Michael Goldberg.

``How does this sound? Vice President Hunter Thompson,'' joked Kerry, who is pondering his choice of a vice presidential running mate. ``Do you feel better?''

Kerry brought along three copies of ``Fear and Loathing: On the Campaign Trail,'' Thompson's book about the 1972 presidential campaign, for the author to autograph.
_________________
 
 
Aertho
20:33 / 23.06.04
Okay... I'm getting a farmland theme here with Heinz ketchup related directly to the bull market and Democratic donkey. I'm working a John Dee-like complexity sigil that uses the Wheel of Fortune major arcana and Seal of the President as points of departure. Anyone got any ideas bubbling to the surface?

How many nations are we enemies with in the Middle East? I'm thinking they should be the number of stars I work with.

This might be kind of silly/postmodern looking... is that a problem? When someone implies that something doesn't look sigl-ly enough, I wonder if we want to be bound by chronological motifs...

Also, I need to be able to send someone pdfs or jpegs so they can post it here. I don't have server space anywhere.
 
 
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23:31 / 23.06.04
How about a sigil for no presidents period?

Bush has no power, except perhaps on this planet, and in a cosmic scale this planet is very minor. If you think a man is powerful he will be powerful, and many people associate presidency with power. Strip away the illusion and they're powerless.
 
  

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