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New X-Men #153

 
  

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CPedro
07:44 / 23.02.04
"Yeah, did we ever find out what Cassandra ingected into her neck way back in e is for extinction? I don't remeber"

If I'm not mistaken it was those so-very-little sentinels in her bloodstream. It was from there that the school was infected.
 
 
CPedro
08:03 / 23.02.04
Like MFreitas wrote there exist a particular quote from issue 134 that is quite interesting:
(In an helicopter after investigating the Jumbo Carnation Murderer)
Scoot to Hank:Oh, for crying out loud, Hank. I love you, but your officially to the road to Apocaliptic Mind loss...

In the next page the conversation continues and there is another nteresting quote I have to make:
Scoot to Hank about Jean:But you can't run a diagnostic fo what Jean's experiecing. There aren't instruments to measure where she is...

Now in 133 there are some interesting things too:
In the Airport Lilandra tries to assassinate Charles thinking He is still Cassandra Nova. She fails and then a car arrive with some Shiar:
"You must come with us, Professor Xavier. The Heavens are in turmoil. And Judgment must fall on the planet Earth"

A few pages ahead Xavier says goodbye to Lilandra and some spooky Shiar called Araki 6 says this:
Araki 6:The mutants species has registered toxic levels of agression -- nature itself has chosen to deal with your kind. Your marriage to Empress Lilandra is hereby annulled.
Charles asks: Disinfection?
Araki answer: Oh, yes. The Pheonix has hatched, Professor. And she is merciless.

...

Intersting isn't it? How everythinmg is wrapped in these four last issues of the run. But the most interesting is what all of this brings back to my memory. "Are these words from the future?"
 
 
Mario
11:23 / 23.02.04
Something to consider...

In the latest issue, Koo Koo's dialogue sounds an awful lot like someone _remembering_ what's supposed to happen next. For example, that "falling on the stairs" line occured as she stood on top of the staircase.

Bumbleboy had the same vibe, during his interrogation.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:28 / 23.02.04
I'm still amazed that three issues into this storyline, after establishing that the Sublime Beast is several centuries old and seeing him grow thousands of Nightcrawlers and a whole new Beast body, some of you are still convinced that he's actually an evil Henry McCoy. Why is it so hard to grasp that he just built himself a Beast body, and part of the reason for that is to trick and confuse Jean into doing what he wants?
 
 
Quimper
13:04 / 23.02.04
Exactly. It's was obvious by Phoenix and Beast Sublime's first meeting when she called him Henry that he is NOT...er...um...yes...Henry.

RE: the stairs comment. It was my first impression that she was just once amongst a group of people that were attacked by Feeders, and she was remembering the incident. But Beast made it clear that Feeders were a brand new species. So perhaps I am wrong.
 
 
Quireboy
15:22 / 23.02.04
I'm intrigued by Martha's deluxe alzeihmer's - if there is a time loop going on is this what Cassandra inject herself with in order to turn Xavier into a vegatable when she switches their minds/bodies?
 
 
break
15:45 / 23.02.04
< She's got Charlies DNA... well doesn't the Beast of the future have EVERYONE'S DNA to play with? Why not Charles'?>>

To work back up the list a bit, lets not forget that Cassie is capable of copying and integrating another's DNA and incorporating it into herself, as she does to Don Trask in 115 (so she can control the super sentinals herself). Lending further weight to the possibility that she might not be Chuck's sister.

Just an observation.
 
 
MFreitas
16:04 / 23.02.04
Quoting Quireboy:
"I'm intrigued by Martha's deluxe alzeihmer's - if there is a time loop going on is this what Cassandra inject herself with in order to turn Xavier into a vegatable when she switches their minds/bodies?"

Well, well... Good thoughts! This is starting to look as something relevant, rather than just a cute old gal's disease. And just look at this quoting from issue 122 (Imperial, pt.1):

Beast: "(Cassandra) even boobytrapped her own body to disable Charles...
So far I've found motor neuron disease, a kind of RAPID ALZHEIMER'S (note: does it qualify as deluxe Alzheimer's?), and a new form of degenerattive Creutzfeld-Jacobs disease (note: the mad cow disease)".

RAPID ALZHEIMER'S, hum?
 
 
TroyJ15
16:44 / 23.02.04
Being in this thread makes me fear what will happen after Morrison leaves even more. Damn him for getting so much of it right that it's scary. I mean he stripped down alot of nonsense, simplified everything else, made certain characters alot more interesting then they were in the past, and looked back at what worked and what makes the X-Men click and used it fully. Damn!
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:46 / 23.02.04
As I understannd it:

BEAST was going to attempt to "cure" the boobytrapped Cassie body in order to attempt to save Charles' consciousness and redeem himself. Jean convinces him not to in order to not fall into Cassandra's plans. She then stores Charles' consciousness with-in the minds of every telepath in the world (interesting).

When Cassandra returns Beast then injects Charles Body with Nano sentinals (something Cassandra would assume they wouldn't do as it would endanger their teacher) motivating her to leave charles' body and attempt to inhabit the minds of everyone on the planet. (re)enter Charles forcing her out of his body and eventually into Stuff's body.

Those same needles seem to be in Martha which could mean the Nano-sentinals are either controlling her ot keeping her alive. It may be through these self same sentinals that Maneto controls martha... or not.

There's some need to determine alot more about martha.

Curious about where the "feeders" where spawned from? Where they from the Phoenix egg?
if so that could well explain the time-distortion as Charles only hears words from the future in the company of JEAN (I don't recall exactly but even during his 1st encounter with Cassie he doesn't make that comment until Jean enters the room).
Could it be that Jean sends bits of Charles' consciousness into the future as a fail-safe from the events she (as phoenix) has foreseen?
 
 
Quimper
19:15 / 23.02.04
Woah! Woah! I've been trying to think of a way that Charles' conciousness WAS in the future. It really seemed to me that the lines "I can't...something crawled into my face..." was Chuck answering the Angel girl's prayers. I mean, the speech balloons were a response to her pleas AND they are featured over an image of the Xavier statue.

And as far as this alzheimers thing is concerned (which is quite interesting), what about this...

ESME: "It's what alzheimers feels like, in fast forward."
 
 
&#9632;
21:41 / 23.02.04
Given the early interest in duality (Cassandra/Charles) in the series, and the way that Chas and Magneto are usually shown as complemetary opposites, could it be possible that the whole Cassandra theme is some sort of sleight of hand to detract from the possibility that Magneto and Prof X are somehow the real twins, and Magneto's death (which was holding Charles in check) allowed Charles to move into the ascendent with disastrous consequences?
Just an idea. Shoot it down, please.
 
 
Aertho
21:52 / 23.02.04
Duality was misdirection.

Cassie wasn't built in the future. That's weird, and not in the Granty weird way.

And if Cass was telepathic to start with, why would she need anyone's help to boobytrap her/Charles's memories? She did it herself to fuck with his sense of ethical superiority. I don't for a minute believe they were actually twins.

There was a strange throwaway line in E is for Extinction about how Cassie accessed the full array of mutations from Charles' DNA. Charlie exhibited a strange telekinetic display when Cassie initially invaded his mind... i think a glass broke. All these "words from the future" seem to be precognition... Does Charles have access to all mutations -is that HIS secondary mutation?
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
23:08 / 23.02.04
I've been trying to think of a way that Charles' conciousness WAS in the future.

Well, of course it's in the future. It's in the future, in the past, in the black bug room/Abyss and the white hot room/Kether. As Quire pointed out, Telepathy is about moving outside of all of the little rooms you live in. Time as a linear concept is not a very important convept in this stage of the game.

"This is not a place, this is the wing of the Phoenix touching your heart."

"Are these words from the future?"

Xavier, despite his constant calls for Mutant advancement, is the most afraid of the logical outcome of his own mutation. He could live in a room without walls but insteads chooses to fight against ego death/rebirth.

"You were always here, waiting for yourself to arrive."
 
 
Mario
23:17 / 23.02.04
Been thinking about the Sublime Beast.

It occurs to me that Grant could be claiming that Sublime is Apocalypse..but that he's NOT En Sabah Nur.

What if ESN was merely the first in a long line of host bodies? We know that Poccy is capable of the feat, and that would explain how Sublime keeps surviving as long as he does.

(Fall out of a window? Find another body)

And now, he has access to the entire mutant genebase...except for one special mutant. And she thinks he's her old friend....
 
 
chairmanWOW
06:41 / 24.02.04
I've just finished reading issue 152 (I live in a third world country). Half way through, on the double page spread, I started noticing something. I don't know what happens after 152 and whether I'm just grasping at straws but did anyone else notice the Wizard of Oz thing (the books not the movie, seeing as my supposition includes Ozma and Tok-tok). On that double page, they set out along the yellow brick road to find the Wizard/Dark Beast/Wicked Witch and there they are. Tom Skylark is Dorothy, who arrives on the scene, sort of confused and new to everything, along with her little dog Toto or in this case his enormous robot dog Rover (the Sentinel could also represent Tok-tok). Next to Tom, you find E.V.A or in Oz context the Tin Woodsman. Then there's Wolverine, the cowardly lion. A once glorious warrior reduced to nothing more than an old woman's toothless watchdog. And finally you get the Scarecrow who is represented by New Beak. He's tough on the outside but inside he's just a scared little child trying to live up to his grandfather's legend. Oh, and Cassandra with Martha in hand is of course (of course!) Glenda the Good Witch with the ruby slippers (or a brain for E.V.A perhaps). They each, like their Wizard of Oz counterparts, are searching for something. Wolverine wants to relive his past glory and he wants to be the hero again (courage?). E.V.A, like the Tinman wants a brain or in her case a central nervous system, more specifically the nervous system of Fantomex. Beak's little parallel doesn't pan out as well as the others but it still kinda makes sense. He wants a heart and well...no it doesn't pan out at all. And then finally Martha (is that name even correct). She seems inconspicuous but maybe her part will be just as important as her equivalent, the ruby slippers. Even Cassie said it; she'll be the engine. They even start out in Munchkin-ville (?) and when they embark along the brick road, they are even cheered on by Munchkins. They don't skipping along on their way because this isn't The Wizard of Oz; it's the edgy gothic revamp of the classic children’s tale, ooo dangerous. If you need any more to convincing you can just cast a glance in the direction of the Beast/Sublime. I mean come on...his castle looks almost exactly like The Wicked witch's. He even uses flying monkeys to do his bidding (maybe that witch was a wayward geneticist herself) for Pete’s sake. If hidden allusion and seditious analogies to The Wizard of Oz was good enough for Pink Floyd then I'm sure Morrison wouldn't mind recycling these stale ideas again for his own nefarious ends (like usual).

P.S. Phoenix is Ozma.
 
 
TroyJ15
07:07 / 24.02.04
hm. At first I thought this was all bull, but he's got a point. I wonder if it is intentional. I'll give Morrison credit for making anything seem possible at this point.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:41 / 24.02.04
I was looking at the first hardcover last night, and I was thinking about how the bodiless Mumadrai could Sublime, and the proper defeat of that character happened in 126. I think that maybe 154 will end with Sublime commandeering Cassandra's body and going back in time to begin the events of 114, causing the time loop. Maybe not, it's a bit loopy and confusing. I'm still thinking that the Sublime character was the conciousness of the first Cassandra that we knew.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
12:37 / 24.02.04
I do really like the time loop idea, and then everything would be so much neater than we imagined!

Except the fall out from planet x, I guess.
 
 
Mario
12:54 / 24.02.04
I wouldn't get too upset about Manhattan being trashed. Nobody noticed when it happened in THOR/Avengers/Spider-man either
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:07 / 24.02.04
Well, we know that Planet X happens in continuity now, which I think is a good think. I reread those five issues in one go a few days ago, and it's such a better story if a) you read them in rapid succession and b) you're not hung up thinking about what's going to happen next.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:11 / 24.02.04
Actually, that goes for the entire NXM run.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
13:15 / 24.02.04
I can agree with that. I read from riot through planet x a while back, and was surprised at how everything fitted together much more neatly than I imagined after all the threads round here.
 
 
MrPunch
14:45 / 24.02.04
One interesting extension of the Cassandra/Feeder idea.

What if the feeders were created by Cassandra as a weapon against the Beast? (If she created them this would explain their similarity to her 'natural' state as a disembodied consciousness and their possible possession of her memories of the staircase fall.) In this case the feeders were created by her to infiltrate the Beast's armies. That they have been turned agaisnt the Xmen is unfortunate but it does not necessarily mean that they are useless to the her,
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:20 / 24.02.04
I don't have the issue in front of me but the FEEDERS are definately a BEAST creation... he names them and everything... still not sure where be pulled them from.

Other thoughts on Charles' pool of mutations.

his illegitimate son Gabriel Haller was a multiple personality who had Psionic, telekenitic & pryokenetic abilites depending on which personality was dominant. Once his personalities fused into one persona he developed time-traveling abilities...

I'm still thinking that Phoenix's presence breaks down barriers in time and is thus allowing Charle's mind to leak into the future.

when's 154 out anyway?
 
 
Quimper
17:13 / 24.02.04
Beast said he found the feeder inside one of the crawlers. Nature itself created them, perhaps as some kind of check/balance to telepaths or something.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:39 / 24.02.04
I'd suggest that plot necessity is the real creator of the Feeders - as in every other story in NXM, there needs to be some factor that neutralizes the telepath(s) to keep the dramatic stakes high. That's why Charles is always sidelined, and Jean was absent for the Riot.
 
 
&#9632;
20:35 / 24.02.04
Just reading through the run, as there was obviously a lot I had mis-remembered. I seem to be missing 114 which accounts for my Beast gaffe earlier. However, there's something in 124 which bothers me. Aside from the fact that Scott is the one who decides to zoom off and find Xorn (How exactly did Magneto engineer that, if he's not involved with the nano-sentinels or the proposed ESN/Sublime situation), but Xorn disables G-Type with some sort of gravity influence on his plasma. Yes, it could be Magneto using magnetism in a strange way so that this Flash Gordon escape is a bit of a red herring, but I think that's just TOO much second guessing. It's either sloppy writing by Grant or an indication that Xorn was really Xorn.
 
 
Mario
20:39 / 24.02.04
Plasma, as an electrically-charged substance, is quite susceptible to magnetic forces.
 
 
&#9632;
22:27 / 24.02.04
Yep, realised that and that's why I think it was a clever double bluff.

Just picked up on something that I don't think I've seen anyone else mention.
Fantomex is Magneto.
Let's start reeealy basic. Waepon XIII. What's the 13th letter of the alphabet?
"Thought proofed ceramic panels" my arse.
He is also very emphatic about how human anti-mutant experiments must die. AS well as being very clear about humans' capacity for violence which must eb avenged. Sounf familiar? Jean, being who she is (with that whole temporal displacement thang), realised what was going on in the tunnel and let him go.
Who finds Dust, the only member of Emma's class to survive? [Little Britain Mode] "Dust! anyone, anyone? Dust! anyone?"
When Jean and Charles share the link to the future (sharing what it is to be in the supercontext, to be the John-a-dreams/Phoenix) they understand what is to happen next and recognise at some level what Fantomex really is.
My reading hasn't quite caught up yet, but can someone confirm that there is a clear swap where Fantomex might have a chance to become/replace the real Xorn?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
22:33 / 24.02.04
S'not possible. Because Fantomex shot mags twice. Not the same person at all.
 
 
doyoufeelloved
01:36 / 25.02.04
there needs to be some factor that neutralizes the telepath(s) to keep the dramatic stakes high

Very, very true, and I really wish we could get an action writer on the X-Men who could incorporate telepathy realistically rather than dodging the bullet all the time.

And re: When #154 comes out: It's March 17th. (In the US)
 
 
TroyJ15
03:51 / 25.02.04
I got a question. When Fantomex jumps in Magneto's fortress (#150) and shoots him, are those bullets from his central nervous system EVA or are they just regular bullets? Because Magneto's stops a few but gets nailed with one. What's up with that?

We should start sporting T-Shirts and buttons that say Xorn lives! LOL! I still believe that Xorn may be a real deal because of the comment in # 153's letters page. Alot of stuff makes sense about him being Mag's but alot of stuff doesn't.
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
17:41 / 25.02.04
Like the Fantomex-is-Magneto idea - apart from the F and the obligatory X, Fantomex is almost an anagram of Magneto.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:58 / 25.02.04
The Fantomex/Magneto thing is pretty ridiculous. Sorry.
 
  

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