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New X-Men #153

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01:57 / 12.02.04

Except that Fantomex has no reason at all to say, "All my life I've dreamed of Phoenix grafts." Scott, of course, has only slightly greater claim to that sentiment. Nor does Fantomex have various reasons to think Jeanix will make him whole. And didn't he have lots of brains?

And... I dunno... EVA's lament about "what happened" sounds more like a break up. Maybe they haven't been getting on since she got tortured and he switched to black and white and shut her out.

uncle retrospective

05:25 / 12.02.04

"You were always here" There we go, the shock end is that Jean is a Vorlon. Well I didn't see it coming.

To keep up with my bitching, this looks crap. Really cap. More people dying that I don't care about and have never seen before. Great. Can we get back to the present?
Here's hoping Seaguy is good.

14:02 / 12.02.04

YNH: Good points.

The weapon with multiple brains was the one Fantomex killed in his debut. I think that was Weapon XIV and Fantomex is Weapon XIII.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

14:34 / 12.02.04

I also liked that, at least visually, there was a bit of a Brood vibe to those insect things. Yet another reason why Silvestri is so perfect for this arc. Just subliminally he touches on so much of what went on in X-Men past. Over the course of his tenure on the X-Men, we saw the Brood, Genosha, Fall Of The Mutants, Master Mold, Inferno, an iteration of pretty much anything that's ever happened to the X-Men happened under his pen(cil), except maybe a full-blown Phoenix story and, wow, look what he's doing now.

14:37 / 12.02.04

Fantomex has two brains for multiple processing. He is Weapon 13. He killed Weapon 12, aka Huntsman or Zona Cluster or "Broccoli Head".

Matthew Fluxington

14:56 / 12.02.04

I think Apocalypse was Sublime.

I agree.

I also think that there's a pretty good rationale for thinking that Appolyon is Scott, but I still think it's more likely that he is Fantomex, given the pretty heavy handed foreshadowing with EVA.

Sorry you don't like it, Uncle Retrospective. I'm firmly in the "This is awesome camp!" now, especially after these four pages.

I think the art looks good - I don't think any of the other NXM artists would have nailed those two pages with the bug creatures as well as Silvestri.

Matthew Fluxington

15:05 / 12.02.04

If Appolyon is Scott, there would be some poetic justice in that. He's always in thrall of someone - it's been Jean, it's been Charles, it's been Emma. It would be such a cruel thing if En Sabah Nur had done this to him, considering his history with him, but it would make sense. En Sabah Nur always held Scott's DNA in such high regard too. It'd also be sad if Scott had come to the point where he could only feel complete if he could be like Jean, but this makes so much sense.

It's a bit Darth Vader, though, isn't it? The great hero falls, has his body changed, and becomes the slave/destroyer of the great villain.

It would be great if Jean fixes Scott in the end.

16:44 / 12.02.04

Good Old Flux and his En Sabah Nur obsession(sp?)

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But I'm with you in this: this 4 four pages look terrific and grandious, even the art (I thought the previous issue was really subpar artwise). And it just looks TOO obvious Appolyon is a lobotomized Fantomex; so obvious that it may be a red-herring. Scott as Appolyon would be a great twist.

And don't you think the Beast is mentioning Cassandra Nova when he's talking about the allies she selects and says "...while some are simply blind predators, stillborn in the sewers of nightmare..."?

She was stillborn, she was blind with hatred on Charles and she clinged to a sewer wall for 40 years...

17:10 / 12.02.04

Bah... stillborn schmillborn it's all just memory implants and misdirection.

17:32 / 12.02.04

It would be great if Jean fixes Scott in the end.

Why? It would be great if she obliterates him. "Oh, Scott, I'm so tired of your shit."

01:50 / 13.02.04

Damn! Just when I was willing to say "Fuck you, Grant Morrision --- you're messing with me and I know it," I read #153. Each issue that has passed with this "Here comes Tommorow" arc has dropped hints as to where we are going. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you all have nice theories but after reading 153 you're all wrong. What you need to focus on is:

Cassandra Nova and Martha and dont count out Xorn yet!

Watch them, there has been foreshadowing since the mid way point of Planet X. Grant's fucking with us, god damn him, but I've gone from being a skeptic about this and the planet X story arc to being a believer again because I sense something wild in issue 154 that's going to bring it all together!

On a similar note: Marc Silverstri's art has been really sub-par since issue one. It's like he's not trying --- if anything his artwork is just as bad as Igor Kordey's with Morrison's writing because he cant tell a clear story through visuals. His flashy look is cool for pin-ups and Chris Claremont stories (cause Chris explains way too much in a panel) but with Morrison's style it's confusing. What a dissapointment.

10:14 / 13.02.04

Well Troy you've got me intriged. I can only guess - and I'm probably wide of the mark - that what you're hinting at might have something to do with the Weapon Plus operative Sublime mentioned was inside the Institute back in Asault on Weapon Plus. It wasn't Xorn or Esme, so perhaps there's a further twist to come re. Martha. No idea how Xorn could work into this though. (I agree about the artwork too.)

Page five is now up at Comics Continuum, and given that the Beast has put feeder (the thought eating parasites seen last issue) traits into the giant Beast/Crawler hybrid, I'm imaging the Cuckoos are the target.

I can't see Appolyon being Scott though. Perhaps it's John Sublime - wouldn't ne be the first U-Man? As I'm not getting a Fantomex vibe either, although as someone points out E.V.A. comments would suggest a link.

10:16 / 13.02.04

Ah, ah! Finally someone is with me on this! I'm almost 100% sure Xorn (or some kind of Xorn force) is real and he's going to play a major role in the groundbreaking conclusion (if he's not, I'll be first to say "I was wrong", but beware if I'm right)

Is anyone here familiar with Tipler's OMEGA POINT THEORY? It deals with the c-boundaries of the spacetime/universe and the processing and storing of infinite information (the reaching of the Aleph state or, should I say, the "WHITE HOT ROOM", the "Crown Shakra" or the "Crown Kether"); or, in another definition, a possible future state when intelligence controls the Universe totally, and the amount of information processed and stored goes towards infinity.

And what about the OMEGONS (maybe Phoenix was refering to them when she said in issue 150 "I don't know how long THEY will let me stay"), an intelligence turning itself into a neutron STAR (ring a bell?), black hole or even a BABY UNIVERSE in order to increase its computing speed or to evolve towards a Omega Point; a hypofemtotech, planketch, or subplanktech civilization (godtech civilizations) which creates a LOCAL COLAPSE OF SPACETIME in order to create a c-boundary and reach an Aleph state.

These OMEGONS 'live' in the "Outside rooms bigger than the whole world" postulated by QUENTIN QUIRE; they created the colapse in space time we saw in issue 150 and restored everything in the Baby Universe of "Here Comes Tomorrow", in order to save our 'BROKEN' universe.

QUENTIN QUIRE did 'understand things'. He reached the aleph state. He became probably one of the Omegons. He was, after all, KID OMEGA, leader of the OMEGA GANG; and did you notice as 'Quentin' sounds almost exactly like 'Quantum', as in QUANTUM OMEGA POINT THEORY, the extended definition

How will everything be tied together in issue 154? I honestly don't know, but I'm more eager than ever to it.

Make my day, Grant.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

10:40 / 13.02.04

That's the best post of the week so far, clearly.

11:04 / 13.02.04

and on a friday. slooking good for him.

Matthew Fluxington

11:34 / 13.02.04

Wow. That's cool. I don't care about being totally wrong if it's awesome. It's way more fun to be surprised anyway.

13:45 / 13.02.04

I reckon you're right, Mfreitas.

14:14 / 13.02.04

Cool - I'm even more psyched for this now than before! Thanks for the advance tease!

15:26 / 13.02.04

Very intriguing points. I was frustrated with Morrison after halfway through Planet X because Xorn as Magneto wasnt shaping up to make much sense, but something bigger is happening here. I get that now. Morrison said he was telling one big story and things are pointing in an interesting direction (what that direction is --- I dont know). A lot of questions still need to be answered...

ask yourself this:

1) If Magneto is Xorn then how come when Emma did a mind scan in the X-Men annual, she was able to retrieve his entire past up to him being encased in an iron prison.

2) When Martha and Ernst approached Magneto in issue 150 she told him the X-Men were going to kick his ass and Magneto said something to the effect of "I suspected there was something strange about you, Ernst."

3) The cuckoos, when Jean was dying, stated that everything had been thrown off, as if something was wrong with the world now.

4) If "Here Comes Tommorow" takes place 150 years in the future then how come the Cuckoos are still so young.

5) Again with the "White Hot Room" this is not the first time this has been mentioned during the series run. As a matter of fact there are alot of instances where pieces of dialouge are repeated in this run, pointing towards something.

I say it's going to be a shame to see Morrison leave this book he truly made the X-Men, every bit, "Uncanny" as they were supposed to be. The X-Men have had some bright spots over the years but never as solid as a run as the John Byrne/Chris Claremont days, until now.

15:56 / 13.02.04

I've often wondered what the point of the dialogue repetitions are:

X-men emergency!

Are these words from the future?

etc

Anyone know of anymore?

15:57 / 13.02.04

Could the "white hot room" be an opposite concept to the "black bug room" (and apologies if I've remembered it wrong, away from my collection at the moment) that Cassandra put Scott into during their confrontation at the start of Grant's run?.

And here's the link for the fifth page of the preview.

15:58 / 13.02.04

I've often wondered what the point of the dialogue repetitions are:

X-men emergency!

Are these words from the future?

etc

Anyone know of anymore?

16:01 / 13.02.04

Speaking of repetitions of dialogue....

16:22 / 13.02.04

Dude, that's form reflecting content...

16:43 / 13.02.04

The Beast growing another Beast? Niiiiiice.

If what people are saying about Xorn bears out, then I tell you right now, I'm not responsible for any consequent failures in my genitourinary system. I'll bill Grant Morrison for the drycleaning.

Keith, like a scientist

17:01 / 13.02.04

regarding that fifth preview page...Holy Matrix Pods, Apocalysublime!

17:16 / 13.02.04

Hmm. Xorn. Sun for a brain. "Magneto's" head gets chopped off and suddenly a big while light surrounds everything. Any connections? Scott has the black bug room in him, Xorn had the white light. Is this 150 years in the future another hologram created by the intersection of the two?

17:17 / 13.02.04

Hey Guys- I'm New so be gentle.

I've read 153 as well and grant is taking us someplace big.

Also, in regards to Troyj15's questions: #2 is answered in 153. I don't know the policy on spoilers here so that's all I'll say for now.

Don't fret guys Grant is just fucking with our heads for as long as possible. He knows he has all the fan boys by the nuts. All will be answered in 154.

I hope.

17:42 / 13.02.04

I'm starting to believe Appolyon is JOHN Sublime (hence a different entity than plain Sublime).

In issue 152, he says "I am the last (as in the only one left) and the greatest of your U-Men. I was to be made perfect.", plus "All my life I've dreamed of Phoenix grafts..." (remember in the Annual, when he was trying to graft WINGS to his body?).

Now, in 153, the Beast says to him: "My allies are selected carefully, Appolyon. Some, like you are, are strong messengers of a better world to come..." (John Sublime was the cult leader of the transhumanist movement).

And now that I look at what comes next, when he says "Others play host to primordial powers you will never comprehend.", I think of MAGNETO and XORN. First, I assumed he was mentioning the Phoenix; now, I think that's not all he's mentioning

Finally, comes the reference to "blind predators, stillborn in the sewers", which looks clearly a manipulated early Cassandra Nova.

Matthew Fluxington

19:02 / 13.02.04

Oh God. This sounds fantastic. I'm pretty glad that I've been wrong now, to be honest. This is much better.

Yeah, Appolyon sounds more like John Sublime now.

21:29 / 13.02.04

It's starting to get a little Twin Peaksy here- "white hot crown", "black bug room", rooms "outside of time" emotional aggregates speaking between the parentheses, Omega Waiting Rooms. Definately Twin Peaks. Definately cool. Is the black bug room similar to all that is bad within Scott, and does that mean that white hot crown is all that is good in Jean(gene)? Or all that is good in humutantity?

21:40 / 13.02.04

SPOILERS HERE:
http://www.millarworld.biz/index.php?showtopic=20881&st=0

Matthew Fluxington

21:44 / 13.02.04

The fifth page is here.

"Where would the IRONY be then?"

11:45 / 14.02.04

Presumably this page is also from this issue.

16:56 / 14.02.04

This being: http://www.newsarama.com/Marvel/X15306.jpg

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