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Matrix Revolutions (Spoilers)

 
  

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Matthew Fluxington
12:29 / 07.11.03
Also, I pledge solidarity with Jack The Bodiless and Flyboy. I was considering seeing this movie just to see the story out through the end and to have greater authority in any conversation I may end up having about the Matrix movies, but it's just not worth it. The concensus seems to be that people hate this movie even more than the last one, and that last one was easily one of the worst movies that I've ever paid to see. I know how the story ends, I've read all of the spoilers. The ending sucks. I don't need to see this. It will only make me mad. I don't have the money right now to throw away $10 to see something I'll probably hate. There are other movies out right now that I'd rather see, and I'd rather support them than a bloated dim-witted franchise.
 
 
--
13:35 / 07.11.03
In retropsect, I probably should have watched "Kill Bill" again instead.

What's with directors I used to admire letting me down these days? First it was the Coen Brothers with that awful "Intolerable Cruelty". Now the Wachowskis with "Matrix Revolutions". And don't even get me started on Kevin Smith's "Jersey Girl", which I intend to avoid like the plague (then again, I've avoided everything he's done after that awful "Dogma"). At least Tarantino is still delivering the goods.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
13:40 / 07.11.03
Whoa, whoa, whoa!

So much wrong with that post, most of it revolving around Intolerable Cruelty being bad!

Although, to be fair, Jersey Girl does sound like a film to which death is preferable.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:49 / 07.11.03
Yeah, what the hell? Intolerable Cruelty is a solid screwball comedy, and it hits all the right notes.
 
 
cusm
14:01 / 07.11.03
Actually, there was a purpose for Trinity's death. So Neo wouldn't have the excuse of saving the world "for love". She's gone, he's not doing it for her anymore. His last crutch is taken away, and he has to make the decision all on his own. Love was the theme of the second movie. Revolutions is about Choice. Free Will wins the day.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
14:34 / 07.11.03
There's only one winner here: bullshit.

Trinity's death was pointless in the respect that this was the start of the "not dealing with anything" part of the movie. And the fact it has this "purpose" just makes it even more shit. Oh, it was all about stripping the messiah of everything close to him. Fuck that. It's lazy, it's bad. Having a contrived purpose doesn't excuse bad writing.

It just happened (badly) and that was that. And then we get Neo saving everyone with all that light, and the cross in the middle. Ooo! A cross in the middle! Smack me on the head with your subtelty! Why they didn't just have him use his "power" (which he used, what, twice over the course of two films?) while connected to the matrix, via that big stupid head thing, in the real world to disrupt all the machines I don't know.

Oh, yes I do, so we can have the most unfeasible "peace" ending possible.
 
 
Professor Silly
15:17 / 07.11.03
First of all, I don't think the people who post here are "most people." We are not the same as "most people." Maybe we're a little more intellectual than your average inbred hick, we've more experience dealing with those taboos that "most people" still have a problem with, like transgender folk, homosexuality, occult studies, and such. So when I say "most people want death and destruction" I don't necessarily mean "most people here."

If anybody does want to lump themselves in with the masses and take offense to my words...well, that's your hang-up, not mine.



I'll say it again: MOST PEOPLE WILL HATE THIS FILM



I can see plenty of intelligent reasons to not like this film, and I'm NOT going to say anyone that doesn't like it is dumb...because that is truly absurd (as absurd as saying anyone who does like it must be dumb). Most of it boils down to taste. It blows me away that people forgive the ultimate silliness of the second Charlie's Angel film and hold Revolutions to an unapproachable standard. But hey--that's just my taste.

Boiled down to the nitty-gritty the trilogy follows a masonic-initiation theme.
Matrix = birth
Reloaded = life
Revolutions = death

That people by default equate Neo's sacrifice to Christianity bothers me--it seems more Thelemic to me. Neo seems very much a vehicle for Horus, what with learning the art of fighting and warfare before ushering in a (potential) age of enlightenment. I say potential because now the two races must set aside their differences and work together...which would not be easy. But then life never is, is it? We know from the first film that the machines need humans to survive--that's the whole purpose of the Matrix. If Reloaded has a theme (besides life) than it is that humans need machines to survive too...as discussed in the engineering section of Zion between Neo and that old guy. So...if both races need each other to survive...well then...isn't peace the best solution?


I'd love to discuss this movie a little more in depth, but I fear that it might not be possible here. So long as people who haven't seen the film go on and on about how much it will suck and they won't even bother to go to see it, the harder it is to discuss it for those that have seen it.

So if you don't want to see it...DON'T. Don't go...and leave the discussion alone.

If you did see it and didn't care for it, well so be it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and this discussion might get a little boring without your two cents. However, it reminds me of a zen proverb:

A zen master and his pupil come to the river, where they meet a young rich lady. She tells them she has no way to cross the river, so the zen master carries her across on his back. They part company and the zen master and his pupil continue up into the mountains. The day becomes evening and then night when the pupil asks: "Master, I thought we were forbidden contact with women, and yet you carried her across the river...I am confused."
And the zen master replies "I dropped her off at the edge of the river, why are you still carrying her?"
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:04 / 07.11.03
silly > pretentious
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:37 / 07.11.03
You know, I think it's probably way more fun to read reviews of the Matrix movies than to actually see them.

Here's an interesting one from the always-great Milk Plus blog:

Thursday, November 06, 2003

The Matrix: Revolutions

Once one gets over the awkward expositional bridge that opens The Matrix: Revolutions, as if Reloaded was accidentally concluded twenty minutes too early and the beginning of the last film of the trilogy had to be padded a bit, one will find a film considerably more satisfying than the series’ misguided middle episode. The sacrifice is that Revolutions is significantly less cool than Reloaded; good luck finding slick car chases, wielded katanas, creepy twins, bullet-time (think fist-time here) or seductive Italians in this conclusion. The scale of the world has expanded to hyperbolic terms, for better and for worse. The quarter million enemy machines threatening the human stronghold of Zion spawn a massive defensive effort that takes up so much screen time Revolutions could almost be considered more war movie than sci-fi (think Starship Troopers turned sincere), and the radical believer Captain Morpheus (Laurence Fishburne) and Niobe (Jada Pinkett Smith) are subjugated into racing back to Zion with the last remaining defensive weapon. Uber-hacker cum savior Neo (Keanu Reeves) immerges from his coma to find out his powers from the Matrix have seeped into the real world and with Trinity’s (Carrie-Anne Moss) romantic support he must find the strength to confront both the machines and the rampant virus of Agent Smith (Hugo Weaving). Like Neo, Smith has extended his reach into the real world and when he commands human flesh he can threaten Neo both in and out of the Matrix, making the virtual danger real.

It is in Neo’s quest that Revolutions returns back to ambiguous mysticism of the trilogy’s first, and best, film favoring heavy allusions (blindness, sacrifice) and lending the conclusion the same feeling of an accepting shrug; questions are left unanswered but things are kept general enough for it to not really matter. That isn’t to say Revolutions’s trajectory is fulfilling. Although it was clear from the start that Neo was the triolgy’s focus, the decision to jettison major characters into interchangeable visual bookmarks in action sequences ruins a cast that was particularly strong sans its lead protagonist. The string of inventive coolness for the sake of cool found in almost all of The Matrix and the best parts of Reloaded is inexplicable forgotten here; the stylized open space of the green-tinted Matrix is abandoned for claustrophobic fight locations, and the obnoxious Frenchman Merovingian (Lambert Wilson) who was just begging for a fight to the death in Reloaded gets one scene and a string of dialog with his jaw-dropping wife Persephone (Monica Bellucci) and is forgotten. (Especially missing is the importance of the eerie digital kiss between Persephone and Neo, one of Reloaded’s best non-action moments).

The fights of Revolutions, the film’s principal draw (other than offering answers), are grandiose effects marvels, but neither the gritty machine gun effort of the Zion battle nor the rain soaked showdown between Smith and Neo, done in big broad epic Superhero semiotics, carry with them the sense of awe that these all-powerful gods of the Matrix have been able to elicit in the past through intimate, extraordinary physical fights that bend the rules of time and gravity. The Zion battle is an impressive spectacle of pure scale with thousands and thousands of machines flooding into Zion like a grotesque mechanical wave, contemptuously circling above their humans in amazingly dynamic fleets of bobbing and weaving, all the while the humans spitting endless rounds of flack from bizarre, inexplicably open-faced defense machines. This middle section of Revolutions feels almost 90% CGI and suggests that the talent George Lucas has for using computer imagery for tableaux scenery the Wachowkis have for dynamic action sequences. But the brothers value the action concept over coherent visuals (just as they enjoy philosophical ideas but strain when it comes to introducing them into dialog without dragging their films to a halt). When it comes down to the nitty gritty of their action they often come up empty handed; case in point is the film’s early gunfight where the enemies leap up onto the ceiling to fight. Neat idea, but muddy blocking and poor coverage lend it, and much of the conceptually beautiful final showdown between Neo and Smith, the status of a semi-mess of fun ideas and subpar execution. What happened to the guys who shot the car chase in Reloaded?

As for the in-between stuff of Revolutions, that is, empty characters, dialogs that feel like thematic exposition 101, and pat-emotional moments of declarative love, humanity, right to endure etc. the Wachowskis are as amateur and heavy handed as usual. Since this film and Reloaded were shot back to back it should come as no surprise that the tedium of their visually vapid and blandly written dialog scenes in that film would continue over here. But here we have more action and though the dialog keeps humming irritatingly along there is significantly less “deep” mumbo-jumbo interjected into it. On one hand this leaves the entire film vacant of characters and meaningful interaction; on the other hand it keeps down the filmmakers’ thematic ambitions that have hampered every entry in the trilogy, leaving Revolutions satisfying, but not all that much. As an action film the same can be said; the film is very similar to Terminator 3 in pushing the idea that a massive budget thrown at special effects can make any movie passable since what the effects team has to offer can often surpass the talent of the filmmakers. While Reloaded was a step back from the generally exuberant creativity of The Matrix, Revolutions is a step up…from that low point. It gets the job done but neither it nor its predecessor will remain in the memory the way the first film did and generally speaking most of this trilogy is better left forgotten.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
17:07 / 07.11.03
Perhaps there should be a thread for people who gasp saw the movie to discuss it?

I liked Revolutions, I'm not sure if it's a satisfying ending to the trilogy or not but this was a hell of a fun movie. There were bits that really did irritate me (the Kid, Trinity's death speech, Morpheus becoming useless, the very ending) but the rest of the film at the very least delivers the action.

Giant Geoff Darrow Robots blowing the fuck out of billions of chtonic swarming squids who spin and swarm like bacteria or sea life as a hail of bullets right out of Hard Boiled (the Miller/Darrow book) hammers into them stripping away hundred of squid with each hit. C'mon, you cannot be a Darrow fan and NOT like this scene.

Hugo Weaving stole every scene he was in. He takes crap dialogue and totally redeems it. And the look on his face after absorbing Neo is fucking tragic.

The Neo vs. Smith conflict ended the only way it could, with Neo submitting to the ego death he only brushed aganst in the first movie. I think it was a fun non-complex superhero/action movie.

Neo being able to see the Machines as they seem themselves was Brilliant. Very nice touch that they only seem so alien/fearful because they are Other.

As a Trilogy goes... my current thinking is that The Matrix stands alone well enough to have not needed followups. *shrug*
 
 
osymandus
17:13 / 07.11.03
Ah at last someone else who has spotted that its maybe not justabout Christaninty and maybe the so called "Christ dieing for our sins" could be prehapes based on the very same ideas that the cruifixtion was also based on !!

Dionysious, Balder , Horus, Promethous, any one ??

And to those who deride the attempt at Philosopy 101 by the film makers, "A journey of a 1000 miles begins with but 1 step"
Its also nice of you to tell us the correct way to perceive and think.

Cliches and chessyness avaliable on request !
 
 
Hieronymus
17:20 / 07.11.03
Ugh. I just love the good old 'me vs. the dumb hick masses' analogy. Makes my Southern heart swell.

Although dab has a slight point. Personally I tend to avoid forums of films I haven't seen for no other reason than my opinion is slightly uninformed at them if I give it ("Yeah! I'm pretty sure that Intolerable Cruelty movie sucked! I could just tell from the trailer than the chemistry between Clooney and Zeta Jones is too over-the-top. It just LOOKS like an absurd movie and not worth my dough!" *rolls eyes*).

If you don't want to waste your dime, I totally and completely empathize. It's not a stellar film by a longshot. But if you keep throwing your bones about how sorry the film is based on what you saw of the movie trailer or what you've read from a film review, it doesn't hold much water in the long run. Go see it or don't. But don't base your statements lambasting it without having seen it. Suffer like the rest of us, dammit.

As for the Christian overtones, dab, it's starkly clear, both in the crucifix of light born out of Neo following his death and the Christian metaphors sprinkled through the film series that this is meant to have SOME kind of Christian connection. My only issue is that Neo was very much a standard fare Messiah figure. One person on whose back rests the world who dies to save it. Oh yay. *groan* Which contradicts much of what was promised in the first film.

And yes, we know the machines need mankind and that mankind needs the machines. That conversation between Neo and the counselor was an exercise in tire-iron swinging blatancy. Part of what pissed me off about Reloaded, as a matter of fact.

To me, now that it's concluded, there are good things in the Matrix film series that are worthwhile, that if executed differently would have made for much better films. But I have all the sympathy of the world to those people who refuse to dig through the skyscraper high amounts of bullshit just to keep those gems. It is a lot of bullshit after all.
 
 
Professor Silly
17:35 / 07.11.03
I agree with you, Kevin, in regards to Darrow's contribution. I remember first seeing his work back in the late 80's or early 90's and being totally blown away by the level of detail. I think the true testimony to his genius is that, like Katsuhiro Otomo, his creations look like they would really work. The Zion scene just seemed so utterly hopeless with the swarms of sentinels flying around, didn't it?

Again, I even liked the Smith scenes that Weaving wasn't in (i.e. the fight scene onboard the Logos), but my favorite would have to be his scene with the Oracle.

In regards to the Christian thing again...I think this says more about western culture than the movie itself. Yes, the human body looks like a cross...or as the Egyptians would say, a Tau. From a multi-cultural standpoint I have just as much a right to say that the ending had Osirisian overtones as to say Christian. More so, in fact! Isn't the whole point of Christian mythos the rebirth? Well, there is no rebirth for Neo.... Instead we follow up his death with a beautiful (virtual) sunrise...the rising of Hoor-pa-kraat. As the reviewer that Flux quoted points out, it's all kept so vague that we could interpret these films within any religious context...Hinduism, Muslum, Judeo-Christian, or even Thelemic/Occult. I see this as a strength, not weakness.

The thing that seems to have been overlooked is that Neo served as a savior for both man and machine--with Agent Smith having taken over every consciousness within the Matrix the whole thing would have collapsed shortly (without the mundane dream-world the jacked-in humans would start to die) which would cut off the machines' energy supply. Without Neo's sacrifice everything would have died. Note how carefully Neo's body was lowered by the machines after he served his purpose.
 
 
Hieronymus
17:52 / 07.11.03
Not arguing that, dab, that he died with all the honors of a Machine City burial. What a lot of people have issue with was the huge ramp-up of war consuming most of the film and then Neo dies and the world is happy again, a serenity achieved in less than 10 minutes. Cue sunset.

Personally, I like the ending. I more or less saw it coming the minute his gifts manifested themselves outside the Matrix at the end of Reloaded. This guy will bridge worlds. Okie dokie.

But again, my concern with it, just as i brought it up in the Reloaded thread, is that much about Neo has been a game of three card monte with regards to his purpose. At the end of the first movie, it wasn't left with the tone of a Messiah or hero figure come to rescue us all. It was a man who had awakened and was now set to awaken everyone else to a 'world without limits'. And the following films do not reflect that. Instead, it's just one more white guy to save the day. It's fine that they used it but maybe they meant Revolutions in the sense that nothing changes, just the same old rotation, one Christ/Horus/Moses/Mithras for another rather than any revolutionary changes or shifts in paradigms.

I find it funny that potential exists for this to just be an endless cycle. Of war and peace and war and peace between mankind and machines. The Architect certainly made it clear in Reloaded that none of this is a first.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
18:20 / 07.11.03
He doesn't die at the end. I'm pretty sure of this. His body was still glowing on the funeral barge. I think it's part of the deal that all former ones get to live on in the Matrix (frenchie, Seraph) as a program in the Matrix.
 
 
Professor Silly
18:21 / 07.11.03
I might have to again chalk this up to my overall optimism.

Oh, but this is a first. According to the Architect every previous "anomoly" choose to save Zion and start the process over again. Neo was the first to go through the other door and risk the end of all. Will war start up again? God, I hope not.

One of the things I have the most trouble with in Thelema and the Æon of Horus is that we have to go through so much war to reach planetwide enlightenment. If I had my (unenlightened) way I would end war today. But maybe we're not ready for that quite yet...maybe we need such a shock as losing L.A. or London or India before we realize that there's a better way. I sincerely hope not, but I don't know.

Within the movie I have hope for peace for the following reasons:
1) it seems, according to scenes in the Animatrix, that the whole war started because humans felt they "owned" their creation and had the right to do with them what they will, including destroying them.
2) The machines then proved far more adept at killing, and turned the tables, viewing humans as their property to do with what they willed, including using them as a renewable resource.
3) by the end of Revolutions it seems they've come to a mutual respect.

I know, I know...maybe I'm blindly optimistic but I see that as enough of a basis for a lasting peace. Most Americans (not necessarily most people here) won't like this--they'll want the destruction of the A.I. and total victory. After all, our president holds the record for the most capital punishments of any state governer in American history, including a woman! We're a death-crazed culture.

And I totally see your point about the nature of the word "Revolutions." It does seem like a wheel turning and turning--as someone said in the Invisibles: is there ever more than one revolution? To answer, no, not really...but that doesn't mean change doesn't occur over the long term. Women were subjugated to the whim of man for 2000 years, but in the last 100 we've seen more progress toward equality than ever before.
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:37 / 07.11.03
Yeah,

I took revolutions in the BPM sence... it did have quite the nice soundtrack...

IMO the movie should've ended with Neo Leading the machines and any humans interested into SPACE... after the cleaning up the atmosphere and leaving the earth for the Zionists...

For matrix 4 I'll watch Battle for the Planet of the Apes Where the 2 species must work together to root out the last remaining seperatists...
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
11:07 / 08.11.03
I liked it. Because of two things.

Yeah, it totally failed to deliver on the promise of the first movie. And it's like Reloaded never happened.

But God, the mechs were cool! The Zion battle was, in my not so humble opinion, spectacular.

The crater scene.

"Why do you persist? WHY?"

"Because I choose too."

What else is there to say? Isn't that closure enough? Free will won out.
 
 
Iao Adonai
15:12 / 08.11.03
The point? There is not point. Not unless you want one. It, the finale, did what it was supposed to do. 'We do what we must do' and then, when that potential is realized, we move on.

Neo was a 'kill-program'.

There is no 'other-world'. Just "connections". The "Matrix" is just a word for "Onion". Layers within layers.

The "Resolution"? It is what you make of it. You will find genius or flaw wherever you look. That is all. It will all make the sense you require it to make, or not to make. This is how the "World" works. (Or does not work).

So you want a 'happy-ending'? Then make it. It may take some work on your part. Work work work is a 4 letter word.

This "ending", I must say, accomplished _Dared-not-to-do_ what almost all other American 'cinema' always does: It did not spoon feed you 'the' (or "an") explanation!

You want "Free Will"? - there you go.

(Was it really what you wanted)

P.S. - If you _really_ think about it, are Neo and Trinity really "Dead"? Or did they do what they needed to do on the "Levels" (oops, "Layers") they needed to do it and "Moved" on? (To another "Layer" - oops, "Level") of awareness? Could Neo have been "free" to fight Smith as he needed to -to let go at that crucial moment- if Trinity had not "died (let go of him) for him to do so? Hmm, sounds like a fairly familiar symbolical Christian idea. Why not?

What is "Death"?

What is "Life"?

Maybe, "Somebody" else gets Neo's job next time and Neo and Trinity have been "Promoted" to another "Function"?

It's _your_ world. So make it. Or someone else will do it for you and use your own ideas to their own ends for as long as you let them. Or don't let them.

We cannot escape connections.

Thanks, Mirv.
 
 
Sebastian
15:18 / 08.11.03
PatrickMM and Sypha have nicely pointed out what I wanted to say about this "film". I 'll add just something else.

This is not cinema, at least as how I understand it, and I don't need to say that there are many many people out there who understand it likewise, both spectators and film creators. And please, stop saying this is anything resembling a "trilogy". It is an entertainment product. And it just happened it was filmed.

I honestly don't blame or put all the responsibility or geniality on "the Wachoswkis", whomever they are. Its obvious this is not coming out from a "creative" brain that likes cinema -it is something else it likes. Its just a facet of an entertainment grid, an entertainment grid really not dissimilar to the cranky, repetitive and big machines that saturate the film.

Just as the "machines" in the movie get "energy" outta humans, this farting entertainment grid just wants your money and attention, it wants you to keep babbling about it until you are literally dry, dry both of money and of saliva.

And I think that was the last piece it got outta me.
 
 
Iao Adonai
15:59 / 08.11.03
>> MODERATOR<<



Thanx

not the best piece of REPLY I did, but gets my idea across.
 
 
Iao Adonai
16:18 / 08.11.03
dAb

you got skilz. work it.

IA
 
 
raelianautopsy
18:11 / 08.11.03
At least the awfullness of Revolutions has convinced some people to like Reloaded more. I will always think of the brilliant Matrix Reloaded as the true film while Matrix 1 and Revolutions are the mediocre prologue and epilogue.

Matrix 1 was a shallow action movie 90% and philisophical 10%. Reloaded had more action and more intelligence, although it is true that much of that intelligence was pretentious and badly done, it still had much more then any of the other films. The deconstructionist ending to Reloaded was amazing, though still somewhat flawed in the way I described. Revolutions was a total let down. No closure at all, only vagueness. The shallow fun of the special effects action makes it worth watching, but not worth thinking about.

Like Empire Strikes Back the middle film of a trilogy is best because it doesn't have to have a happy ending.

But if Neo is Jesus then shouldn't he be ressurected now? I really hope not.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
18:56 / 08.11.03
trainman was like some daft fast show character. very embarrassing.

indian family = cringe

tunnel in/tunnel out loop = nice pacman reference

first 40-50 minutes: worse than renegade(bobby sixkiller etc.)

morpheus = eunuch, this time: ie. nothing

trinity: quite ugly really. slow mo kicking reprisal like some dumb nostalgia trip for the hardcore fans

fetish stuff: sorry queerhawks, to the rest of the world, it just looks cheap.

will smiths wife: crap

council of elders: why?

big one: wizard of oz appearance of the source code was a dreadful misfire: just not grand enough, and the cybertronic voice? what happened to the artful touches so esquisitely deployed in one and two?

large cast: channel five madness

munition ho's: yeah, fire at the ankle. that should do it.

end chat tween architect 'n oracle: yaw - fuckin - nnnnnn

major: neo's sacrifice achieved nothing apart from eradication of virus from matrix. the war is clearly not over. a red herring.

pillar upside down fight: no need.

monica belluci: no need.

mero viggers: soiled his part two appearance with terrible performance here.

goods:

was astonished at the complexity of the cgi re: the breeching of zion: really, an incredible artistic achievement. truly stunning. felt doom/quake/unreal were the major influences here. weird drillbots - the ultimate in functional nightmares.

superbrawl was awesome: very close to kid marvelman and marvelman scrap in marvelman 2: eclipse comics. and pretty damn close to Zenith scrap with masterman in Zen book 1. very happy to see this on film.

machine city and blue sky: dark/light - heartbreaking.

so, in essence: three awesome setpieces: the breach, the machine city visit and the superbrawl which, if only they'd been fleshed out with a plot which was half sensible and stylishly executed, might have made for a good film.

conclusion was so poor.

best thing:

refocused my love for reloaded: slick, artful, hard, creepy, good looking, pure.

that said: trilogy looks dumber than ever now. first film was actually beautifully self contained.

will not attempt to rationalise this movie to improve my enjoyment levels.

no point.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
20:25 / 08.11.03
Yeah, I just watched Reloaded on DVD. It's a very good film in the context of the whole trilogy, probably the best of the bunch, and very unfairly maligned.

Now I need to see the whole thing back to back. I feel that this will improve revolution

Tie in product idea: The Matrix Dance Dance Revolutions?????
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
20:33 / 08.11.03
PS I'm a little drunk, so sorty
 
 
Tamayyurt
05:43 / 09.11.03
I just saw this (after reading all the spoilers and bashing here) and I have to say that as a whole I liked the movie. I didn't love it, but I liked it. Yes, the writing is sloppy and it had too much Zion bullshit, and all the main characters were reduced to supporting characters, and yeah, Trinity's death lost all punch because they'd already killed her and she spent her last fucking breath explaining that she had died before and all that. But the end of the movie did it for me.

I loved Smith and I loved the big superhero fight at the end. It mixed the best imagery of Batman and Superman. Brilliant.

I loved the peaceful resolution. It was very invisible in that everyone wins in the end. The machines need the humans and the humans need the machines. Get over it. Learn to fucking live together. It's only logical.

I also love the way Smith not only infects other people and steals their powers but he also get a little infected by them as well, and assimilates a little part of their "soul". It happened in the first movie when him and Neo merged. That's when he "woke up". And it happened again here when he took a little truth and wisdom (however corrupted by his perceptions) from the Oracle. In the end he wasn't so much defeated as incorporated.

At first I was a bit put off by the obvious Christian imagery at the end. The Matrix used to be very open in terms of people being able to overlay their own religion onto it. The heavy dose of Christianity seemed to imply that no, in the end this is a very Christian movie. (Someone here even likened it to Left Behind). But upon watching it, I found that if it is ultimately Christian than at least it's Christianity done right. You don't get that "if you don't accept Neo as your lord and savior then you're fucked and doom to burn in hell." Neo doesn't require your belief in him or your faith. It is your choice. He will save you whether you believe or not. He doesn't condemn those who live in the illusion that is the Matrix. He gives you the choice either live in the Matrix and be happy or live in Zion and be happy... just be happy.

I think given a few revisions of parts two and three, this could have been a fantastic trilogy ... now, as it stands, it's a very decent try.
 
 
Mouth and Pockets
07:33 / 09.11.03
I didn't take this as a christian movie at all. There is so much in here that is beyond christianity that I read the few christian symbols in the end as just one emblem, one phase of the mysticism/magic of the movies in general. Most religions, spiritual paths, do have a hero/savior figure involved in their mythologies, histories, doctrines whatever, on some level--Maitreya Buddhas, Krishnas, gurus and avatars of various stripe--and it was obviously at the core of the matrix. I don't think the crucifiction and rebirth etc. symbols made these movies any more "christian" at the end of revolutions than they already were in movie #1 with Neo seeing the truth more deeply than anyone else and therefore responsible for their salvation; he was a christ/buddha/mohammed/krishna/etc. from the beginning. So...yeah they probably didn't have to turn his ass into a glowing cross but that symbol was really subordinate to, or just a part of, the spread of ideas they had incorporated (with varying success) into the movies from the beginning; by the time Revolutions got to that point it was just one among many subtexts and really only natural, perhaps, for the western wachowskis and a lot of their audience to symbolize that final ascendence with the signs this culture has become familiar with.
 
 
Professor Silly
16:56 / 09.11.03
I've realized another reason why some will have a problem with this film.

In the first film we only deal with Morphius' crew--no Zion, no other ships...very self contained.

In Reloaded we are introduce to Zion and some of the other ships and captains through Morphius, Trinity, and Neo, but it still focuses on them.

Meanwhile, in the game (which I enjoyed and still enjoy--it's the only game I have for my system) we follow the Logos with Niobe and Ghost, as well as the story with all the other captains we don't see in Reloaded.

Revolutions ties everything together, including material from the two previous movies, the game, and the Animatrix shorts...therefore Morphius, Neo, and Trinity each get less screen-time. To those of us that have enjoyed the multi-media aspects of this project it gives us closure; for those that only saw the two previous films it might seem off-focus and scattered.

By the way, the online comics that appeared immeadiately after the release of the first film will come out in a trade form here in the next month or so...featuring work from a stellar group of comic creators. I'm looking forward to this as well!

Oh, and I too loved the cat-glitch at the end--it tied things back to the first film so nicely.
 
 
Hieronymus
17:36 / 09.11.03
And I think that's where many have been short-changed, dab.

As a film or as a trilogy of films, it should stand on its own. Instead you have to buy into the whole Matrix media extravaganza (buy the video game! Buy the animated DVD! Buy the cereal! Buy the action figures!) just to understand it. (I found myself angry and slightly insulted at seeing Powerade ads inside Revolutions, more so than I did seeing them before Reloaded. They were there in the train station, I believe, with ads for Tastee Wheat, a bone thrown from the first movie). All of which is dirty pool in my opinion and exactly the reason why the majority of people who have now seen all three movies, and yet haven't plugged into the multi-media aspects, are now feeling lost by them. As a friend of mine commented "I still feel hungry. I'm not full. They didn't wrap up anything".

There are wonderful and fantastic ideas in this series, ideas well worth chewing over. But they unfortunately suffer from an execution and presentation that is absolutely unforgivable and which tend to undermine the weight and power of those ideas.

Nobody would ever let George Lucas get away with the crap the Wachowski Bros seem to have pulled.
 
 
raelianautopsy
17:38 / 09.11.03
I have seen the other multi-media aspects and it sure didn't give me closure; it still seems just as off-focused and scattered. It didn't really tie into the Animatrix, which by the way was great and better then any of the movies, any more than the second one. Also by the way Enter the Matrix had a terrible plot that felt very forced and did not flow as a story at all. Which dissapointed me particularily because I played it to see the story more than for fun game play. I'll still read the comics, there are some good writers doing those.
 
 
Hieronymus
22:19 / 09.11.03
Agreed, raelian. I think 'Second Renaissance 1 & 2' was the most powerful piece to come out of this project. Still heartbreaking every time I see it. I'm really hoping to see the 'I, Robot' film tackle some of these AI issues as well.

I hate to keep fueling this but there is much to this review that I find myself nodding in agreement to. The promises of the first movie were not only not kept. They were abandoned altogether.

Though Neo and his crew continue to nose around the nooks and crannies of the Matrix's program, both sequels ignore the fate of people still trapped. We no longer get to participate in the giddy, awful process of enlightenment and emancipation, and the fragile semblance of logic that drew from the original's tidy dualism totally collapses.
 
 
rakehell
03:24 / 10.11.03
To whoever asked upthread about the station. Mobil = Limbo.

After seeing the second and third films, I'm still confused as to why anyone would want to live outside the Matrix. In the first film it was about victory and reclaiming the planet, in the following films it's about getting the machines to stop atacking people. I don't understand then how life in Zion is better than life in the Matrix.

It's probably lucky nobody gets to see Zion before they get offered the pill because there'd be few rebels indeed.
 
 
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05:34 / 10.11.03
I liked Monica Belucci's cleavage.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
10:08 / 10.11.03
Watching this movie is like having cinematic root canal work. Every now and again the anaesthesia wears off and you're conscious for long enough to be appalled. The two sequels are a little insanity of their own, like Highlander II and III. Ignore them and enjoy the first film for what it was.
 
  

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