Barbelith Underground > Film, TV & Theatre > Matrix Revolutions (Spoilers)

Posted by dizfactor
i disagree with Benjamin Birdie that Neo got played by the Machines. Neo, Smith, the Machines, and the Zionistas all got played by the Oracle and the Architect as part of the ongoing cycle of chaos and order.

With Smith as the entropic/destruction, death figure required to pull everything down for the Oracle inspired rebirth/boot. And I think it was only the programmes that wanted to be free that were going to be set free into the Matrix, which is er… a prison.

Posted by scoobyjah
Is it pretty much a done deal that Oracle was the mother of the matrix? I'm not sure that we can come to that conclusion.

There seemed to be a whole male destroyer/controller, female creator thing running throughout the film. Zion as the mother, the phallic symbolism of the drills etc.

Religion wise this reminded me much more of Hindu, with the whole Dharma thing, than Christian. But I suppose you could read whatever you want into it.

Also if the machines are dumb enough not to invent EMP hardening put EMP generators just outside the walls of Zion. When the machines come, switch them off, see? Machines invade, switch them off, repeat, very simple.

I enjoyed the fight for Zion, it was Battletech writ large, but I can’t help thing they made some design errors in Reloaded. I like Zion, very steampunk but if the soldiers where going to sustain a huge long scene then surely a bit less Star Wars episode 1 and bit more Colonial marines? Small detail but for some reason it really bugged me. Still giant robots shooting each other!

For some reason when I was watching the fight in the muddy crater all I could think of was Batman and the mutant leader from Dark Knight returns.

There’s nothing in the film that suggest Seraph was a previous "One", he’s previously described as a programme, the Merovingian describes him as such when calling him Judas and the only thing that suggests he is a programme is Smith saying he use to hunt him but in Reloaded its made clear that agents hunt exiled programmes as well. He was previously an angel in the same way as the twins were previously Chinese Ghosts.

Ultimately I was a disappointed I think they made a mistake basing so much of it in the ‘real world’, I also felt they left out much of (pseudo) ‘philosophical’ for want of another word, dialogue that was present in the first two. The Wachowski Brothers have some visual skills but cannot write dialogue or pace films at all. It felt a bit like they had lost interest and though I commend them for attempting to make the move from a core to ensemble cast, the characters were not nearly strong enough to support that.

What do people make of the so-called ‘real world’ looking more machine like than the Matrix?

Posted by dAB
But again, most people obviously don't really want peaceful endings. They want murder and the death of one race or the other. Win-win situations are apparently beyond the scope of most people.

That’s actually a good point, I think I would have preferred the genocide ending myself but that is a good point.

To Flux & Flyboy remember the Matrix is beneath you, you are better than the Matrix, you are to good for this thread, in fact your presence on the thread may even encourage the Wachowski Brother’s to make another Matrix sequel that you will have to waste more of your valuable life explaining to us all why you’re to cool to go and see it

And Tarantino still rocks, because two hours of women being brutalised, coma rape played for laughs and cartoon child molesting, that’s entertainment!

Posted by Nick
Um.

I think you're putting a lot more into this than the W. brothers, to say the least.

So? Isn’t that part of the enjoyment of a film? Adding your own meaning?

Posted by Paleface
A gunfight, quite nice, but still no lobby-scene, no explanation of why the bad guys can walk on the ceiling but our heroes cannot.

Sticky shoes?