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New X-Men #152

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Matthew Fluxington

17:01 / 10.02.04

Another interesting thing that may have been a clue about Sublime is at the end of Germ Free Generation just before Sublime falls from the skyscraper. Martha's entered his brain, and is trying to make him let go of Emma. John says "you can't KILL...ka-kill...kill...Oh, right. Kill me's good." In context, that dialogue can indicate that Martha's changing his mind for him. But now it looks like he's being literal - Martha can't kill him.

Aertho

17:29 / 10.02.04

I think I understand... but hmmm How does Martha NOT kill him? I thought she was telepathic?

Aertho

17:30 / 10.02.04

I think I understand... but hmmm How does Martha NOT kill him? I thought she was telepathic?

Matthew Fluxington

18:26 / 10.02.04

Well, John Sublime obstensibly dies when Martha makes him let go of Emma and fall from the skyscraper. If the Sublime from Here Comes Tomorrow is the same guy (and especially if its who I think it is), then he didn't die in that scene, just the body holding him.

Rawk'n'Roll

18:50 / 10.02.04

So why, if Martha stored Sublime's mind and put it into Beast, is Martha still with the X-gang?

Is she still a mole? Or are we totally off course?

Matthew Fluxington

19:54 / 10.02.04

I don't think Martha is at all a villain. I think she's just someone who has been horribly abused and exploited by Sublime, and is now seeking refuge with the X-Men. She's a tragic character - a teenage full-body amputee. I think she's meant to be a sympathetic character.

I'm not sure where you're getting the Martha-storing-Sublime's-mind-and-putting-it-in-Beast thing from.

Aertho

20:24 / 10.02.04

"Sublime" isn't necessarily something that can BE contained anyway. He's a composite consciousness who uses human as well as mutant bodies to interact with the world. He's a little like Jean splitting Xavier into mutant minds, a little like Weapon 12, and a little like the Phoenix Force.

Martha may be a sympathetic character, but we'll see.

Rawk'n'Roll

20:51 / 10.02.04

Woah... both of you. Thats a leap isn't it? From human cult leader to psychic entity (oh god its shadow king/bogan/apocalypse again)...

Its grant don't forget, it has to be deceptively simple. W'll be kicking ourselves that we didn't see it before, whatever it is.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

15:52 / 17.02.04

Does anyone know where I can get a really good scan of the "let's go to work" two page spread from this ish? I crave a poster version.

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