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Angel Season 5 (Spoilers)

 
  

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Bear
09:56 / 05.09.03
So October the 1st for the first episode of the new Angel. Just curious about peoples thoughts on this - Spike? Good idea or bad?

Here's some pics from the 1st episode -

Conviction

Is the corporation idea going to work?

And no Gwen what's up with that?
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:36 / 05.09.03
Dunno... on the one hand, the new format keeps us guessing, which has been one of the show's hallmarks since it started - we never knew what was going to come next, and no one except for Angel was indispensable (unlike the parent show, which killed a supporting character's girlfriend, the main character's mother, and a shitload of disposable villains. Buffy don't count, 'cause she didn't stay dead).

With Cordelia and Connor no longer main cast, they needed fresh blood. Have no idea how it's going to handle Spike, and this is gonna be the acid test. But Connor and Jasmine were both awful ideas on paper and on script form that astonishing performances, production values and direction superceded and made work. I think they can do it again with Spike...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:39 / 05.09.03
Well, I applaud the current showrunners for turning the status quo so utterly on its head at the end of the last season (it made sense, since the end of season 4 really did bring to a close a larger story that goes back at least three seasons). This has already pissed off some very vocal 'fans' on the web, who seem to have forgotten that morally ambiguous choices tend to come back to haunt characters in the Whedonverse - let's hope that there will consequences for taking Wolfram & Hart's offer for all the characters, both internal and external. My only worry is that even with Connor and Cordy out of the picture (for the moment or for good, we'll see), there will too many characters jostling for attention - Spike will obviously get fair bit of attention, but let's hope this in balance... It would be really easy for Wes to get sidelined at this point: he's come full circle and while he's changed, he's been reintegrated into the group. I'm also worried that what's in store for Gunn may be ill-judged to say the least (making a connection with a big mystical panther, having his brain enlarged, whuh? - I really hope we don't get more clumsy 'social commentary' like when we found out he'd put his soul on layaway for a nice car... ugh).

There's real opportunity for good Angel/Spike interaction though, now that they're both so different than the last time they met. Angel has lost a lot in the past year or so, and I fully expect him to plunge into moral greyness yet again - Spike could, weirdly, end up acting as his disemodied conscience, but then he's likely to be pretty fucked-up and unstable too...

(The rumours of Spike/Fred interaction, let alone God help us all a romance, absolutely terify me.)
 
 
J. White
13:30 / 05.09.03
I'm not to sure how to respond just yet. For me there's a lot of mixed emotions on how he could be handled on the show. At any rate it would be a drastic change from his role on Buffy. Let's get the character back to the basics, and have a more darker edge than before.

For one, there won't be so much of Buffy to worry about now. I expect a guest apperance or so, but I hope they don't try and bring back how he was then. He just wasn't the same after he came back in season 4.
 
 
Bear
13:42 / 05.09.03
I've heard rumours of the whole Spike/Fred thing too - doesn't sound like best idea ever. But I agree with the whole Spike/Angel interactions I think it's going to work really well.
 
 
Seth
18:47 / 05.09.03
There's already a thread for this.
 
 
Tom Coates
20:02 / 06.09.03
Well link to it then!
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
23:27 / 06.09.03
Why... is Harmony in those pics?

Is she finally going to get what's coming to her?
 
 
Bear
08:24 / 09.09.03
Sorry set didn't know there was already a thread should have searched. Someone want to delete this thread?

Foust, Harmony gets a job as Angels receptionist.
 
 
Bear
09:31 / 25.09.03
Thought I would continue with this one since the other way seems to be more an renew Angel thread.

So has anyone seen the first episode yet?

I think I'll have to give it a rewatch but it didn't really impress me that much I think the second one is much better and the Spike/Angel thing looks like it'll work - have to wait for episode 3 before everything settles down.

Angel know seems to know Martix Kung-Fu must have been busy over the past 19 days (season picks up 19 days after the Sunnydale going ons)

Ah but Eve another celeb for me to be all fanboyee about.

Think we might get to meet the senior partners this time around.
 
 
gridley
12:38 / 25.09.03
We don't get the first episode until next week, which is fortunate because once it starts, it means furiously flipping back and forth between West Wing and Angel.

SLIGHT SPOILER ANSWERING FOUST'S QUESTION ABOUT HARMONY
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Foust, apparently Harmony gets a job as a secretary.
 
 
cusm
17:24 / 25.09.03
It airs next week for us, I can't wait!

SPOILER?


I heard something about Spike, that he was coming back as a ghost?
 
 
FinderWolf
19:11 / 25.09.03
** SPOILERS **






He starts out non-corporeal and everyone, esp. Fred, works to make him solid again. Beyond that I have no idea. I'm looking forward to see where they go with all this - with Spike & with Angel as part of Wolfram & Hart.
 
 
Saint Keggers
05:54 / 02.10.03
Just saw it. Loved it. Its obvious when Joss is writting as opposed to one of his lackeys.
I was soooodamn anoyed when I heard Harmony would be init, but daaamn she worked. And that Eve character...I want one.
 
 
Ganesh
09:37 / 02.10.03
So... do they succeed in getting Spike hard? Who's the fluffer?
 
 
FinderWolf
13:53 / 02.10.03
How fucking great (and hilarious) was Angel last night!??! Nice to see Joss Whedon back to form after that shitty Buffy series finale. (Joss wrote & directed the first two Angel ep's)

The show is so strong now it doesn't even really need Spike, there's so much going on with the regular characters. Spike is just like icing on the cake. "Blondie Bear!" was awesome; Harmony is, as always, hysterical.

My favorite bit?

YOU HAVE REACHED RITUAL SACRIFICE. TO SACRIFICE A GOAT, PRESS 2 NOW, OR SAY: "GOAT."

Priceless. I laughed my ass off watching Angel last night. Great ideas with the whole 'working for Wolfram & Hart' deal. Gunn's transformation? Wow!! Fred/Wes sexual tension still there? Cool. David Boreanaz' comic timing? Still great. Eve? Cute, sexy, devious and well-written. Lorne? Always priceless. Alexis Denisof? Still a terrific and brilliant actor. This premiere was a delight, start to finish. Can't wait to see more!! Bravo, Joss!

"He was fired. Oh, no - he was set ON fire."
 
 
J. White
14:12 / 02.10.03
The preview for the next episode put me in stitches.

Angel: I'm Angel.(?)
Spike: I'm his date.
 
 
Saint Keggers
14:34 / 02.10.03
You saw it three times?
 
 
cusm
16:51 / 02.10.03
I dunno about Eve. I mean, she was cute and sexy in a naughty-teen sort of way, but she really started to annoy me after awhile. Did lke the bit with the apple, though.

"What happened to Mercy?"

"I just ran out of it."

Now that's the Angel I like to see
 
 
FinderWolf
17:08 / 02.10.03
Actually the sequence was

"What happened to Mercy?"

"You just saw the last of it."

definitely Eve as the naughty know-it-all teen. She didn't start annoying me, but we've got a whole season for her to get on my nerves!
 
 
Panic
18:14 / 03.10.03
I enjoyed spotting the washed-up luchador mailroom clerk who's supposedly the focus of a later episode.
 
 
Tamayyurt
00:00 / 08.10.03
I think the first episode was great mainly because of the whole lawyer thing... here are these do gooder champs and they have to fight to keep this evil scum out of jail. That was great simply because it's very realistic. That's what lawyers do and Angel doesn't seem to understand (like) that very much.

All the Spike fun aside I hope they keep this aspect of the show.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:47 / 09.10.03
The second ep. of the new season was OK - curious to see where the Spike thing goes. Glad to see Spike won't be the "wisecracking ghost sidekick" for long. There's the luchadora mailroom guy again! Can't wait to see his episode!!

SPOILERS!!!! (isn't this whole thread just spoiler-ridden already? should we have to note spoilers in each post? just curious...)







I hear he gets corporeal in a few episodes. (www.aint-it-cool-news.com) for more ANGEL spoilers.

I thought Joss was writing the first 2 ep's. This one wasn't written by Joss, and it kinda showed, in comparison to the season opener.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:59 / 09.10.03
My favorite quote: Spike calling Angel "Captain Forehead"
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
10:40 / 10.10.03
The 2nd episode was full of great lines. Extremely funny.

The story was rather poor, though. Why would Angel - a self professed dead guy - bother trying to go after a necromancer?

And lordy, the script commited two unforgivable sins. First, Spike overhears the Next Generation Scoobies plotting his death. He eavesdrops. Is there a stupider or more over used or cheaper plot device? Luckily he quickly told Angel what he had heard.

Secondly, it has the old trick-the-audience-into-thinking-the-new-guy-is-a-traitor plot device. Just plain lazy.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:07 / 16.10.03
Last night's ep was fun -- although I'm glad I hear Spike will be getting corporeal soon, since his whole 'hang around and make sarcastic comments/beg Fred for help' thing is getting a little old. Werewolf girl was cute, but I wonder why introduce her at all in the third ep. of the new season - unless they plan on bringing her back for future episodes. They never brought Gwen back, did they?

Some funny moments in this one - David Boreanaz' comic timing and comedy delivery just gets better and better. I like that they're all a little suspicious of Gunn now (whose line "I know I'm all up in the law now, but damn, it feels good to get my violence on" was terrific), but why TELL him to his face they think the firm might have messed with his mind in some not-so-nice ways??
 
 
Seth
10:19 / 17.10.03
"I'm not banking on it," is what Whedon says of Gellar guesting this year.

Result.
 
 
Bear
10:33 / 17.10.03
That is good news, there's no need for her, she always was a bit shite right? (her voice dubbing on The Simpsons got slagged too)...Bring Willow in for a few though just to see how she's doing with her white hair.

Yeah ep3 was ok, liked the whole idea of them eating wolf The wolf makeup was much better, gets better everytime they do it actually. I know it was a different type of werewolf but no mention of Oz, tut tut...
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:33 / 17.10.03
Definitely. The more they can keep Three Expressions away from the show (that's her indian name, by the way), the happier I'll be.
 
 
Bear
07:37 / 22.10.03
I was watching Buffy season 7 again last night (starts on the 28th BBC2 and it'll be on 3 nights a week).. I was wondering if they'll mention the fact that there are lots of slayer now? I was also wondering what you peeps would like to see in this new season?

I just read the description of ep6 -

MUCHA LUCHA - Angel (David Boreanaz) learns that he must track down a retired Mexican wrestler (guest star Danny Mora) to help him defeat Tezcatcatl, an ancient Aztec warrior who emerges every 50 years to take the heart of a hero to sustain his own existence. Angel is surprised to find the wrestler is employed at his company, Wolfram & Hart, and that he has a personal score to settle with Tezcatcatl. Alexis Denisof, J. August Richards, Amy Acker and James Marsters also star. Jeffrey Bell wrote and directed the episode.

Rock on
 
 
Tamayyurt
18:18 / 23.10.03
How was last night's episode? Can anyone give me a run down as I missed it.
 
 
some guy
18:38 / 23.10.03
Last night's episode: Spike moaning. Spike naked. Spike heroic. The end.

Complete crap. Who thought it'd be a good idea to put that cartoon idiot on what used to be a killer show? It's become The Spike & Angel hour. I'll be surprised if one or more of the old supporting cast doesn't exit the show by the end of the season. Wes and Lorne have had maybe 10 lines between them...
 
 
cusm
19:21 / 23.10.03
Angel and Spike bickering was somewhat amusing. The creepy horror bits were ok, too. Otherwise, it looks like Spike is stuck as casper, but he's learned to touch things now. There was also some talk about Angel's prophesy that he'll become human if he saves enough people.

Who wants to bet that the "Vampire with a soul" turns out to be Spike, stealing humanity out from under angsty bear Angel?
 
 
Tamayyurt
19:28 / 23.10.03
Yeah, I was one of the "Yay, Spike's on Angel people" but I'm not liking it at all. Mostly cause all the other character I've grown to love are getting completely ignored.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
01:26 / 24.10.03
I hate to say it, but I agree with Impulsivelad... Spike was always my favourite character on Buffy, but it's just not working on Angel. I like the cast of Angel, and they are being ignored.

I'm not liking this Wolfram & Hart direction, either. I miss the good old days of hapless detectives fighting evil.

This season is starting to remind of Buffy's season 7 - there's just way too much stuff going on. Too many characters.
 
  

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