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Late Shift Fifteen: The Devil you Know

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13:38 / 26.05.03

brilliant!

its just like me and my little brother.

MUM

cant you see how similar you are? why dont you both just shut up and think for a minute.

ME

yeah, shut up and think.

HIM

yeah, YOU shut up and think.

ME

i think she meant you.

HIM

i'm pretty sure i was the one being the big man by letting you off...

[explosion]

MUM

oh for fucks sake...

13:59 / 26.05.03

Lurid, I agree. The whole thing about Ierne was merely to address Haus' seemingly "obsessive fear" that somehow this little spat between he and I was going to disrupt the entire board.

And toksik, I know, I know, I find this almost as tedious as you must; however, it seems to me that Haus picked this fight, and I'm simply not in the mood to let him get away with being a bit of a wanker. As he seem to desire to continue to be. I mean, I know that’s part of the Haus charm and all, but I’m simply not up to lettin’ him get away with it here.

“Seriously dude” I think that if someone said to you, “you *really* have to work on that self-esteem issue,” then you’d likely have at least a few things to say about it. Why shouldn’t I call you out on being a bit of a wanker? And really, how is “not a correction, just a hint” not merely a backhanded way of continuing to push at these issues that you see me as having? How are you in anyway working to resolve this, Haus?

Moreover, if you can’t see the point in what I am trying to get at, then it seems to me that this shows that you aren’t listening to me. The point’s simple Haus: you are out of line on this one and I’m not interested in your continuing denial. Also, I don’t see how your loaded questions work in any way to address my concerns with you; thus, they go unanswered.

If you want to continue to beat yourself up in this fight, then by all means feel free. Otherwise, eat yer crow and we'll be done with it.

ONLY NICE THINGS

14:00 / 26.05.03

toksik: Well, quite. Now, regardless of big man status, I have asked Zilcho what he wanted to do about this and received no reply. He believes this question to be a trap, and there's not much I can do about that.

So, here's a suggestion - how about if I move to have every post of mine relating to Zilcho deleted from the thread, and suggest that he does likewise with his? Thus neatly addressing the feelings of slighted honour on either side *and* the regrettable slating of absent friends that LA mentions. I don't think it would significantly alter the sense of the rest of the thread, and, since there is all this mirror play going on already, would merely be another way to see the scrap as cancelling itself out.

14:24 / 26.05.03

Sure Haus, let's delete the evidence of your abuse.: that’s a great way to dispel it. But that would be contrary to the thread—it’s “The Devil you Know,” after all…

Since your so intent on receiving an answer, let me answer your question in the three ways I see possible:

1) Yes Haus, please make sure that you run every post that anyone makes that pertains to me by me before we allow it to be posted publicaly on the board.

2) No Haus, I would prefer it if people could post what they wanted and then deal with the replies that their post generates.

3) Well Haus, I think that sometimes I would want you to edit some posts that are about me, but other times, it is OK to let them go as is. I tell you what, why don’t you run all the posts by me that are about me, and then I’ll tell you which ones should be edited. Then you can edit them and run them by me to make sure that your editing is satisfactory to my fragile sense of self.

You do see the inanity of your question now, don’t you?

Also, to be straight, I don't regret what I said about Ierne because that is how all that “fiasco” appears to me. However, I do regret that it had to be said here in this circumstance.

ONLY NICE THINGS

14:34 / 26.05.03

Well, it seems that the big unanswered question here is 'who was responsible for the first unacceptable bit of teasing?', and the verdict from the Eurovision jury seems to be a big 'nobody cares'. So I'm wondering where the profit is in this scrap - it seems unlikely that there will be a resolution, since neither of us believes ourselves to be in the wrong. I'm quite happy to carry on having my typos sicced on me, and correcting your posts for spelling, grammar and syntax, at least until I get bored, but it doesn't seem like that's going to get us very far either.

So, what's the aim here? What is the intention? To make me 'eat crow', a phrase I for one have never entirely understood? That doesn't seem likely, for the reasons toksik has enumerated rather wonderfully above. I could certainly apologise for suggesting, even in jest, that you had low self-esteem, Zilcho. What would you feel apologetic about?

14:40 / 26.05.03

*Bashes El Zicho and Haus over the head with all the dead rabbits from Late Shift Sixteen. Whomp, whomp.*

14:44 / 26.05.03

14:46 / 26.05.03

“I'm quite happy to carry on having my typos sicced on me, and correcting your posts for spelling, grammar and syntax, at least until I get bored, but it doesn't seem like that's going to get us very far either.”

Of course you are, my dear, this is how you play some of your petty little games. Obviously, it won’t get us anywhere.

Again, your post closes with a barrage of questions. Why do you keep going to this tactic, Haus? What are you trying to get out of all this? And again, your saying “I could certainly apologise for suggesting, even in jest, that you had low self-esteem,” still isn’t anything more than your continuing to be a wanker.

Me, I feel apologetic about having to have spoken of Ierne, but at the same time, it was good to put it out there that I apologize to her. I am also apologetic to the people who have had to suffer through this bull shit between you and I over the course of this thread—but I’m not sorry for those of you who are enjoying it, and I know this place well enough to know there is a few people around who are enjoying this. Other than that, I don’t see anything else that I need to be apologetic about.

14:48 / 26.05.03

Oh toksik--that's brilliant! Very non PC, but brilliant!

ONLY NICE THINGS

14:51 / 26.05.03

For the love of God....."Between him and me". "Between you and me". Is there some sort of Holden Caulfield button one could press?

So, barring slating Ierne in absentia, which it turns out was a good thing anyway, you don't feel that there is anything you have done or said, anything in this entire thread, that you feel is regrettable?

Wow. And I thought *I* was self-righteous. That's a shame, because it means there is no chance of a mature process of reconciliation.

15:08 / 26.05.03

As much as a "chance of a mature process of reconciliation" would be beneficial, I've been down this road with you before, haven't I Haus—more or less. It seems to me that this is possible, but perhaps there are things that you’ve said and done in this thread that you need to feel regret for beyond some snide “I could say sorry for…” Like I said way back here, it seems to me that this has largely been about you—it’s your response. Will you rise to the maturity required? Will you take that holiday in Selfawaria?

ONLY NICE THINGS

15:12 / 26.05.03

Well, I certainly feel bad about the way it's turned out. On the other hand, I don't think that my comments justified your response. It appears that you are particularly sensitive to jokes about your self-esteem, which I did not realise and subsequently regret making.

And there was no snide. I was making an offer and asking a question. That is all.

15:27 / 26.05.03

Well Tann, I'm not so plussed about it either. But look at it this way: this little spat would have been possible had you said the same things about someone else, but it would not have been possible had you said something different.

I think that's what you might want to take away from this.

I will accept that you are being sincere when you say that there was "no snide." Given the circumstances, I am sure you can appreciate why I would read it with that tone.

I'm off to bed now, g'night Haus.

15:48 / 26.05.03

...and once again, the forest was quiet and all the little bunnies and foxes and squirrels and robins and mice and butterflies and badgers could get back to discussing the biggest oldest and scariest tree in the wood.

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