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New X-Men #136

 
  

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Jackie Susann
02:16 / 24.01.03
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say the special class "coalesce" or become special - a bunch of them hide while the big guy zaps the baddie, and then Beak almost breaks his back unilaterally smashing the guy's head into little pieces. Then Xorn humours the one with the imaginary friend. I'm sure I'm going to be told I'm missing the symbolism but I think it's a much more interesting story if the gang of fuck-ups aren't turned into proper superheroes by authorial fiat in one issue - an ongoing awkwardness would keep me vastly more interesting.

Meanwhile everyone's assuming the Omega Gang are unambigous villains, but it seems reasonable to me things will still turn out more complex than that - maybe the riot is what Xavier's needs to keep moving (just as Cassie Nova's attempts to destroy them turned out to be exactly what they needed). I think it's a bit much to say (as AO does) Quentin's "dream" is an imposed maxim; he's producing a riot, which is almost certainly going to exceed his control. Arguably, by toppling the father figure, he's actually the most faithful of Xavier's students; just as Xavier has been trying, he's consciously creating a space for people to experiment with the possibilities of mutant thought and life. The fact that Xavier tends to be more subtle and manipulative (i.e. his regular 'chats" with Quentin the last couple of issues, where he ignores the power he accrues as Principal and acts as if they're just having a friendly discussion - a technique I remember from my high school principal, and it certainly didn't make him the good guy) where Quentin is balls out and punk rock about it all doesn't make Xavier the great philosopher-hero against QQ as straight-out thug.
 
 
Sunny
05:56 / 24.01.03
I agree with jack, "The special class and the Omega Gang must join forces and unite as a mutant super band." its quite ingenious if I do say so myself.
 
 
Analogues On
11:02 / 24.01.03
I think it's a much more interesting story if the gang of fuck-ups aren't turned into proper superheroes by authorial fiat in one issue - an ongoing awkwardness would keep me vastly more interesting.

I absolutely agree Crunchy - if the Special Class were turned into, say, the Cuckoos I would be bored within seconds. Their whole appeal comes from their slapdash approach and the fact that they would make pretty amateurish heroes right now.
I think though that their adventure has given them a chance to bond in a way that they wouldn’t have done previously and that No-Girl does in some way mirror this bonding process (the final shot of them beneath the x-copter, and Xorn saying “Welcome to the Special Class” ) And while I don’t think that they have been turned into super-heroes in one night, I think that they have realised at least some of their potential and will become superior mutants because of it (arf – groan).
It was the way that it was done that interested me, ie Xorn’s comments that “sometimes the teacher must leave to make room for learning”, which is kind of what you said about Xavier’s more subtle methods with QQ and not teaching through imposition.

QQ’s dream – yeah, it is trite to say that he is unambiguous, after all he used to be Xavier’s prize student, and this book practically thrives on complexity. I suppose that as Xavier’s dream of utopia gets more and more complex, any adversary would have to be just as multifaceted to be any kind of real threat.
In QQ’s case it seems to come down to the teacher’s meeting in last issue where he was painted variously as a political agitator, a vengeful super-villain in the making, a violent, whacked-out drug fiend or a punk-kid pushing the boundaries through questioning authority and defiance. Again this is what keeps this title fresh and involving, so that rather then being a straight out case of rigood vs evil the boundaries are again blurred and you end up questioning your conclusions (or having someone else do it for you - cheers Crunchy).
Hell you could easily apply the same discussion to Xavier; a philosopher-king battling bigotry and hatred at every turn to create a safe new world, a hopeless idealist endlessly debating an unworkable dream, or a hypocrite bending the rules of his “charter” to perform questionable acts of superiority over those he wishes to protect/ integrate.

Despite his complexities however I still believe that Quentin is pushing an unquestionably dualistic anti-human agenda, and whether his gang (whose ranks seem to be expanding) are responding to his manifesto, the violence, the fashion, the drugs, the slogans, his mutant power or a combination of all of these, he is certainly imposing his principles on those around him to disobey, revolt, and destroy. But perhaps that’s just homicidal telepaths on dope for ya – it’s all destroy this, inhale that, do-my-evil-bidding the other.
In fact the one problem that I have with QQ is that he still defines himself in opposition to Xavier rather than trying to define his own path, but as Crunchy mentions above, he may simply prove to be another catalyst for the X-Men to evolve again, a la Cassandra Nova.

I really cannot wait to see how this riot will develops and what the fallout wil be. When it comes to the crunch (pardon) it will be interesting to see if anyone will be willing to dish out mutant style justice to one of their own, as Xorn did to the U-Men this issue.
 
 
some guy
11:09 / 24.01.03
QQ’s dream – yeah, it is trite to say that he is unambiguous, after all he used to be Xavier’s prize student

I think many of us would feel more ambiguity if we'd actually seen this. But based on Quire's appearances so far, I don't think it's trite to say he's unambigious at all. The only gray area is whether the Kick is heightening is bland teenage rebellion or whether he really believes what he's saying.
 
 
Quimper
12:50 / 24.01.03
On the parallels, it's funny that Beak says, "You guys make me look like X-Men." and the line about infringing on Cyclops's copyright. Grant is spelling it out for us.

And notice Angel is the one tending to Dummy in the final two shots. Is she becoming the nurturer of the group, like Jean? I really felt her genuine attraction to Beak in this issue. Maybe she just wants someone to think she is attractive, but Basilisk does say that the only reason Angel is there is her attraction to Beak. And she does not get defensive, deny it or tell Basilisk to shut up. In fact, she tries to prod a plan out of Barnell. She is supporting him in her abrasive way.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
05:56 / 25.01.03
Quentin said that it was now year zero for mutants. Pol Pot said that. Not for mutants, but for Cambodia, while wiping out all intellectuals and anything remotely westernized. So does Quentin want to wipe out just humans, or also those mutants who have been tainted with human ideals, trends, and culture? And if so, what exactly is a pure mutant culture? (was Pol Pot the 1st to use the phrase "year zero"?)
 
 
Quireboy
20:56 / 26.01.03
I like the analogy between No Girl and Kick. Regarding what was the bond that united the original five - Xavier's dream.

The comparison of Jean and Angel works on in comparing the Special Class and the original five. But I think Jean's destiny is to become the No Girl of NXM. She will evolve into a conceptual being, metaphorically becoming Xavier's dream of harmony (or replacing it with her own) as a cosmic being.
 
 
kid coagulant
13:00 / 27.01.03
Didn't Oubliette make that same 'year zero' statement in the last issue of 'Marvel Boy'?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
13:31 / 27.01.03
Nice idea about Jean becoming No-Girl, QQ. Perhaps she already has. And can reverberate through time in both directions.
 
 
Aertho
13:31 / 27.01.03
IF Morrison was interested in pushing "mutations" as a DragonBall Z Final Fantasy Super-Gaea event, then yes, I could see Jean becoming the Yes-Girl of the Planet Earth, fulfilling her master's dream by actually "becoming" the dream and overriding free will -be that free fear or free acceptance.

However, I think Morrison is more inclined to think of mutations as a metaphorical concept. Jean's thirdary mutation might take her out of human form and into the conceptual arena, but that will only be told as a freeing of HER limitations, not the Planet Earth's. As readers, that eventual mutation will read as something like the Glitterdamrung, but on a individual scale.

I've been thinking about what the No-Girl of the original class might be, and I think it might BE Xavier's Dream, like you suggested. Of course, Xavier's Dream only really exists when in opposition to Magneto's Dream. Both dreams imply that the mutant minority is something WORTH hating and fearing. So yeah, we'll have to overcome duality and grow up in this epic, too. -Which is what Jean's going to do, and I think Angel will too.

Angel will realize that she's not all bad, and that it's only other people's opinions of her that have generated her current personality.
 
 
Raw Norton
02:27 / 28.01.03
Apologies for entering this discussion so late in the game; I've only lately discovered this board, and what a treat it's been. I'm very pleased with the well-considered discussion here, and have found a few interesting points that hadn't yet occurred to me. I'd just like to bring up a couple of points that seem to be missing from the discussion.

1) a Quire/Magneto parallel working on a visual level. This may be entirely arbitrary, but every time I see the Omega in QQ's sigil, I can't help but be reminded of Magneto's mask. Which, yeah, that might be reaching a bit, but it's reinforced by at least one more obvious image: the Omega Gang's van. Check out the stripes on that thing. That's not the A-Team's van, it's Magneto's costume on wheels.
2) there's been some discussion of Quire's relationship with Tatoo. Not to downplay any psychological motives, I think Tatoo's attraction to Quire has a strong evolutionary component. Quire is an Omega-level mutant, which oughtta drive the ladies wild, natural selection-wise. She only became receptive to him after he'd shown up the resident Alpha male, and got all hot and bothered when Quire & co. murders a pack of puny humans. Granted, there are everyday girls whose affections are decided by similar behaviors, and no one goes chalking it up to Darwin, but, given the nature of the book, I don't think this should be overlooked.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
10:45 / 28.01.03
So, based on the general philosophy of 'New X-Men', any ideas for what the X-Men can do about Quentin?

Twice in the past they've gone for shutting the person down (Cassandra, Weapon 12) then, in the former, educating them (and probably would have done in the latter too, if Phantomex hadn't shot him). I don't see educating Quentin as being the answer here, so what's the solution. Presuming that Kick doesn't actually destroy his mutant powers I suspect sending him out into the world with his powers inhibited might be an answer. If he's told to go travel the world for a year on an Xavier school creditcard, that might help. He talks about emulating Magneto but appears to have no practical experience of how his policies have affected the world. He has a mind that needs to be broadened.
 
 
Aertho
14:13 / 28.01.03
I thought Dust might annihilate a whole bunch of humans and mutants at the Open Day when Jean and her get back. Kick might keep QQ's telepathy open while they scream and die, broadening his mind to a whole bunch of pain and suffering. It's traumatic, but so were the Archons.
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:22 / 28.01.03
He has a mind that needs to be broadened.

In that vein, what if he attempts to "control" mutants using Cerebra?

He's obviously interested in the tech... could the Mind Expansion work in they way of an "enlightenment" His transparent mind is suddenly at one with all mutants and Humans. Thus the dissolution of opposites and the recognition of the "other" as self...

followed by catitonia, then therapy, then a world tour

C L A S S I C
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
19:51 / 28.01.03
Speaking of Dust, I was looking through issue 115 last night, and it certainly seems like Dust was one of the students in Emma's classroom right before Genosha was attacked. I wonder what that's all about...
 
 
Aertho
20:06 / 28.01.03
Ah, that has to be another Muslim girl... otherwise Morrison'd be double-backing pointlessly. Veils are distinctive of a certain culture -the point of Emma's classroom scene was to show how Genosha's just as much a melting pot as the US of A, only mutant-style!
 
 
Quireboy
22:40 / 28.01.03
Just continuing my comparison between Phoenix and No Girl - it's significant that the X-men are falling apart in Jean's absence.

No Girl also pokes fun at Xavier's dream - the Special Class know their conceptual companion is just a joke, albeit one that binds them together. Significantly Xorn has to get on his students emotional wavelength (to share their dream) rather than forcing his dream upon them, although his tactics in 136 are comparible to Xavier's in terms of exposing the class into a dangerous but character building situation.
 
 
Quimper
13:02 / 29.01.03
About Dust in Genosha, Morrison said he was inspired to create her after he saw that panel in Emma's classroom. Quitely just drew a random mutant in a burka, the image of which mutated in Grant's head until Dust poured out.
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
13:55 / 29.01.03
You mean there's more than one Muslim mutant? No way!

Actually, it makes total sense. I suppose I was over-thinking it. You know "She can turn to dust, so maybe she settled on Emma in order to escape destruction" or something. Ah well.
 
 
Quimper
16:21 / 29.01.03
The U-Men spying on the special class sparked a thought in my head. I'll give you a topic...the theme of voyeurism in New X-Men. Discuss. I mean, we do have three telepaths on the team. Even the uppity redhead has been spying on newscasters.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
17:15 / 29.01.03
Quireboy Just continuing my comparison between Phoenix and No Girl - it's significant that the X-men are falling apart in Jean's absence.

No more than they fell apart when Xavier was unavailable to them and Jean was around during the Imperial arc.
 
 
Quimper
19:05 / 29.01.03
Yeah, but they fell apart then because of an external threat. If it wasn't for Jean, the school would be gone and they'd all be dead.

Now, they are falling apart by rotting from the inside out. Scott and Emma are apparently useless—especially Scott—because they are getting carried away with Jean gone. So far, every time Xavier is in danger, Jean has sensed it and done something about it (Cassandra's first attack in the first issue, Lilandra's assasination attempt). She probably could have prevented Quentin's ambush. She also prevented Hank from succumbing to fear at the beginning of Imperial.
 
 
FinderWolf
22:07 / 29.01.03
Anyone else think of Xorn's "ssssh" finger gesture as it relates to the Sign of Harpocrates? ( that might be a little too Magickal for this thread, but I think there's enough people from the Magick section of the Lith who read this subject also)
 
 
ciarconn
00:50 / 06.02.03
One of my friends made the "MAGNETO WAS RIGHT" t-shirts, on black. They look cool (though his identification with Magneto sometimes worries me). I might wear it at classes, to see what reactions I get.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
02:54 / 06.02.03
Hey, send me one of those shirts please.
 
 
Sebastian
13:17 / 06.02.03
C'mon Ciarconn, you are reading Ultimate War, aren't you?, so be careful what you wear on the streets.

I mean, I love Ian McKellen, but it clearly doesn't specify which Magnetto was right.
 
 
BrianFitzgerald
13:27 / 06.02.03
HunterWolf-- Yes! Excellent observation! Thank you.
 
 
Aertho
14:45 / 06.02.03
Well, adding to HunterWolf's observation, and my recent look back into the Invisibles Invisible Kingdom, I thought it might be apropriate to mention that in Satanstorm, when Mr. Six, Helga, and George are looking at and old British LSD documentary, they see Miles Delacourt ranting about "them making us like the old ones, the star-headed ones".

Xorn may be Morrison theme, or it might be an inside joke, who knows? Xorn definitely is synonymous with the NEW in the NXM, and that's all about the new Aeon of Harpocrates. I'm sure that in the contexzt of the narrative, his Shh meant Shh, but the added symbolism makes me think about more Tarotic analogy.

Scott's on the Death path, Xavier's on the Devil path, Genosha is the Moon card pulled, Jean is crossing the abyss
 
 
Ganesh
14:49 / 06.02.03
Don't the 'star-headed ones' have pseudo-Lovecraftian associations? I've a feeling they're even referred to by Aleister Crowley. I'd assumed that Morrison just decided to create a character whose head was literally a star...
 
 
some guy
15:01 / 06.02.03
" I'd assumed that Morrison just decided to create a character whose head was literally a star..."

Well also, Xorn is literally an illuminated being...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:27 / 06.02.03
Funny. I always think of Xorn as being a reworked version of Rebis from Doom Patrol - the charming, mysterious, omnipotent, otherworldly guy who gets all the weirdest and most quotable bits of dialogue.
 
 
glassonion
12:12 / 07.02.03
i can't help but feel morrison had a character whose head is a star because jeff noon had a character whose head is a moon. wouldn't the harpocrates thing tie xorn to the moon card [back of the head] too or am i bad kabbalah? the sun card seems too obvious.
 
 
Ganesh
14:12 / 07.02.03
In 'Flex Mentallo', Morrison also had a character whose head was a moon...
 
 
A
06:46 / 08.02.03
..and in The Faraway tree, so did Enid Blyton.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:20 / 08.02.03
Enid Blyton, who of course wrote the Famous Five. Five! Do you see?

So, who's Timmy?
 
  

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