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New X-Men #136

 
  

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yawn - thing's buddy
19:50 / 21.01.03
chesed - thats got to be one of my favourite posts ever!
 
 
Sunny
20:25 / 21.01.03
uh, I think Xorn told angel to keep it a secret because he didn't want the rest of the class to be scared of him, the other kids don't know the extent of his powers. Xorn seems like the type of person who would rather want people to like him instead of fearing him. you think about it if you're a authority figure like a teacher, do you really want your students to know that you're capable of massive destruction, I would think that that might get in the way of teaching. they look incapacitated to me. I mean this is a guy who said "If I could save every life, I would do it" it just seems kind of inconsitant, he says that earlier, and then in this issue he kills. technically he did kill those two kids in that one issue but it wasn't like he had any say in it, thats like if someone tied up cyclops and cut off his eyelids and used him in the same way.
 
 
The Falcon
21:58 / 21.01.03
He hadn't had much chance to kill before, though.

And the occasion you mention is overseen by some, yes, U-Men.

Who are utter, utter bastards. As villains they remain steadfastly unsympathetic - like all the villains in NXM (no, I don't count Fantomex.) They're both pathetic and scary, ridiculous and grotesque - that opening panel with all the surgical tools and the dialogue that accompanies is defining.

I'd kill 'em.

Most of the team have killed at least once anyway (true) and Wolverine's killed at least the population of a Scottish borders town.
 
 
The Falcon
22:01 / 21.01.03
It seems more than inconsistent, too, Mr. Meth. It's damn irreconcilable, you'd think - but it serves to make a more complex and mysterious character.
 
 
Analogues On
22:39 / 21.01.03
Yup – I agree that Xorn definitely killed those guys – in fact if I find out he didn’t kill them next issue I’ll be sorely disappointed. And although it jarred on first reading, it somehow feels like a summing up of how far Grant is willing to push his vision (or re-vision) of the new–X-men, and what I had first read as out-of-character now seems like a natural progression for both Xorn and the book as a whole.
In a lot of ways that single page finally ties together a number of strands that have been floating around for a while, in that the defining line between good/evil, Charles/ Magneto has been blurred or erased so completely that the whole fabric of the “dream” has been altered, and not simply by relying on Wolvie to snikt a few bad guys while everyone looks away. Rather it seems that everyone has, as Flyboy mentioned earlier, become much more ambiguous in terms of their personal morality – as Emma stated way back in the 2001 annual, it’s not always about "Good" and "Evil".

Instead, the Institute and its satellites around the world now seem to be developing an ideosphere defined by much more elastic parameters where no one is to be made to feel imprisoned by the dichotomy that once defined the team and its goals. As has been stated before, Xavier now offers the only real mutant alternative now that Magneto and Genosha are both gone.

This broadening of scope is also evident in the recent actions of two of the longest serving characters - Jean allowing Fantomex to escape in the tunnel, and Scott's ongoing psychic affair with Emma. – and further crystallized in the Headmasters Office scene last issue, in which the teaching staff tried to debate and define a way forward on the issue of QQ, rather than merely reverting to set rules and opinions, or bowing to Xavier’s omniscience. So does this point to a lack of moral fortitude and leadership, or does it point the way to a more inclusive philosophy where a number of disparate mutant philosophies are able to co-exist and flourish?

The recent influx of so many new characters has also allowed Grant to define this new line of thinking. Xorn and Fantomex in particular represent this revision most completely where, in contrast to the historical weight of the Shi’ar or the old X-Gen characters or The Weapons Programme (which make up the background to the last few arcs), Grant presents a man locked away for the entire decades-long history of the X-Men phenomenon, and a mutant who engineers his own continuity, complete with his own Aunt May clone, secluded mountain lair and ludicrous symbiotic UFO.
Mr Morrison is both having great fun and making a point here, offering us sophisticated and ornate super-mutants capable of existing out-with the constrictions of the established Marvel-Universe/Mutant continuity, and operating independently below the radar of over-scrutinising fanalysis (without resorting to indiscriminate Ultimisation). These characters are playing to new rules and through them Grant seems intent on enriching the rest of the mainstream X books by refusing to play the accepted/ tired roles that they have represented for years. Look at Beast and see a dull and lifeless x-drone transformed/ mutated into (for me anyway) one of the most compelling characters in the team. Look at Professor X hijacking both Jamie's nervous system in the Channel tunnel and those terrorists on the plane to Mumbai, while Jean casually wipes memories and brainwashes a violent mob with a wave of her hand. Look at Emma's resurrection as a prime mover in this new direction, shaking up the status quo and pushing the game forward into new territory. And finally look at Scott, who for me was always one of the most banal and drone-like characters in Marvel U, now truly heroic and playful, finally waking up from Claremont's endless "Myth of Jean".

In this way the secondary mutation idea is not simply a physical, or power-related one. It goes deeper into the core of the book, transforming the ethics of the long-established dream into a sometimes questionable but ultimately active principle which reaches out into the world rather than retreating from it (the various X-Corp offices which have sprung up in major population centres, Hank and Charles on the covers of magazines, Jean and Charles reporting to the outside world on television and opening the doors of the school to non-mutants). Indeed the mutant phenomenon no longer seems to rely on an “X-gene” at all, with bands and designers instead pushing “X-brands” onto the masses, human and mutant.

But there are questions too, of course.
How ethical is it for Xavier to impose his “mutant justice” on the outside world? Does it represent a much-needed revision of current ideological thinking, or will its principles degenerate into militancy when opposed (see Xorn this issue) Is this the first real stage of pluralism, empowerment and evolution needed to create a single, united race of Homo Superior (human and mutant), or are we simply seeing a new vision of genetic elitism and dominance?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
00:59 / 22.01.03
Fucking A, Analogues. When Magneto died, as Jeannie said, his dream died with him. Xavier's dream no longer has to struggle. It's as if the Invisible College suddenly found itself without an Outer Church. One can look at it as if the Supercontext were the dream of a living person, and thus subject to a great many faults. The X-Men dream is the only one in town now, and so, in its new granduer and size and reach, it's being eaten from the inside out. Its cut and dry morality is gone. All of Claremont's safe "heroic" posturing is so visibly ancient now (and you can see so every month in X-Treme). I think of Rogue's 7th Heaven style reassurances of the X-Men "doing the right thing" and finding strength in their righteousness. There is nary an attempt to make things even remotely human. Then in New X-Men we have a book teeming with human flaw and conflict. As if the race that they are set to replace is insinuating itself into its replacements with the only weapon its got: the flaws and the mistakes that, when you boil it all down, directly contribute to evolution itself. They fuck up, they do stupid things, and yet aren't put on some kind of extra sized #350 "TRIAL OF XORN" because of it. They are left with only themselves and the people they confide in. Homo Superior is still stuck with the Homo part (if you'll pardon the inference). It's weird though. They don't seem too concerned with protecting the world that hates and fears them any more. They're building a whole new one instead. The book doesn't seem to be about these world reckoning threats anymore. It's about the evolution of mutantkind, and what, metaphorically, the book has always been about: its struggle with and against its human roots.
 
 
LDones
04:09 / 22.01.03
I think it's very clear that Angel's bearing witness to Xorn's act and being asked to keep it a secret is her 'lesson' - Whatever subtext is taken from that point is up in the air. Xorn clearly initiated a set of lessons for the Special Class - that is hers.

I think No-Girl is an emotional frequency who may also be a mutant, as runce stated previously.

I think Emma genuinely cares for Scott (unless she's the evilest-bitch-in-the-world, as some have speculated), and I think he's unwittingly using her. I think she almost knows it.

I think it's very clear that the Cuckoos know what's going on between Emma and Scott, and have their own opinion of it (Issue #134 - The awkward look Scott gives them as they grill him on missing Jean, the stares they give Scott & Emma as they walk off at the bottom of the same page, and their hairstyles in #136 do strike me as peculiar).

I think Hank has been acting strangely by his relative verbal absence in the past two issues.

I think the Barbelith Comics Forum As X-Men Reading Group kicks ass.
 
 
Aertho
13:30 / 22.01.03
Yeah. We kick ass!

Okay, more on Xorn/Angel:
I DO NOT think "he had it all planned out". I DO NOT think Xorn knowingly set the kids in a dangerous situation and plotted to kill the U-Men himself. I think it just happened that way. Grandiose self-engineered plots like that died a few years back, like Benjamin Birdie said.
The Argument Is Now Raised: Why couldn't he have just incapacitated them?
How could he have incapacitated them? He's a star, not a telepath, he doesn't have tricks like *go to sleep*.
The Argument Is Now Raised: But he's like a zen buddhist who absolutely won't kill, why'd he do it?
Xorn HAD to kill them. He HAD to stop them, quickly and sufficiently, so they would not kill the Special Class. Killing them was necessary for that reason alone.

I don't think anyone is really thinking or feeling how much of a personal sacrifice the act of murder is. Yes, killing is against Xorn's beliefs, but it was either kill those-who's-beliefs-condone-the-destruction-of-others and sacrifice yourself, or allow those-who's-beliefs-condone-the-destruction-of-others to kill those-who-can-be-taught-another-way, and sacrifice them.
And they ran! First, they all ran until they came to the cliff -a damn cliff, and couldn't run anymore(symbolism, anyone?). Only then did Xorn go back to "deal" with the U-Men. Only then did he "make that call".

Angel flies to Xorn, and sees him killing the U-Men. Now, the Special Class understand Xorn's a damn-hippie and pacifist extroardinaire. They know he won't squash a bug if happens to bite him, because he's too-damn-soft-for-thier-world. They think he doesn't, and couldn't, -and maybe even won't- understand them as actual hurting individuals.

But she sees this: Xorn sacrificing his beliefs, his pacifism, his inherent personality, to save her and the rest of the Class. He's not-too-damn-soft, he's when-he-absolutely-needs-to-be the blackest and most severe kind of HaRdCoRe there is. She sees what he's capable of, not in terms of power, but in terms of compassion. She sees in his sacrifice of belief what she means to him, and that he knows that she sees it. It's a Jesus Moment. So he says "it's our secret" and that knowledge is for only them to share.

Yeah, it's trust, it's intimacy, it's self-worth... but Xorn KILLED them, and Angel saw it.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:56 / 22.01.03
Basically Xorn doesn't want the kids to resort to violence as a solution to their problems. (at least, not first off)

although I like the idea that he let angel do something - or made her think she fucked them up the U-Men or something.

Let her take revenge….
 
 
Simplist
17:14 / 22.01.03
I think No-Girl is an emotional frequency who may also be a mutant, as runce stated previously.

Assuming No-Girl is in fact real (and I'm assuming she is, at least to some significant degree), I hope we get a bit more on her background. Was she apparently normal until puberty like most mutants, only then shifting to her current "conceptual" form? If she was always conceptual, what was her original genesis? Something like the half-human/half-story child born as what looked like rapidly dissipating concepts concretized as light structures in one of the flashback issues of Promethea? Or possibly herself the creation of a mutant conceptual artist whose (possibly unconscious) mutation is the ability to bestow sentience and autonomy on hir idea structures, making No-Girl a kind of second-order mutant.
 
 
sleazenation
17:27 / 22.01.03
The point of no-girl is that she inhabits the borderlamds of existance - she both a muttant and an abstract concept at the same time. Any story that makes either a mutant or a figment of collective imagination would entirely miss the point of her (quasi) existance.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
17:45 / 22.01.03
I'd like to see the riot from no-girl's point of view.

Can't help thinking no-girl is some kind of fictional reality interface device/tool.

I'm missing Fantomex. I wanna see him done by Quitely.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
18:13 / 22.01.03
Me too, Yawn, but it looks like it's a singular pleasure we'll never see.
 
 
Simplist
18:15 / 22.01.03
Unless Quitely comes back for the final arc leading up to 150, and Fantomex figures mightily in that arc as I expect he will. We can hope.
 
 
The Falcon
21:34 / 22.01.03
I think Marc Silvestri will be drawing that arc.

It'll be Marc's arc. Shoot me.
 
 
Chill
00:29 / 23.01.03
I can see No-Girl as starting out as an imaginary friend for Martha who then projects the concept into the minds of her new friends. With these other minds for input No-Girl could develop her own personality and ideas separately from Martha. A group mind/personality/embodiment of the special class. Xorn finally "seeing" her is him being infected with the concept and joining the rest of the class in devolping her. A living/mutant meme?
 
 
Analogues On
00:36 / 23.01.03

Not sure if this was mentioned earlier, but seeing as there are obvious parallels between the Special Class and the Omega Gang, I got to thinking that perhaps No-Girl is the Special Class analogue for Kick; not so much a character as a platform/ filter, or as Yawn said, a kind of reality interface device/tool.
On one hand Kick influences and manipulates the Omega Gang through a one-way stream of uniform amphetamine-like fixes. It offers a pre-defined experience of incredible angelic violence, but nothing beyond that.
The Special Class meanwhile actually interact and communicate with their filter in a much more symbiotic and playful way. She coalesces out of a mutual and collaborative experience as a kind of empathic self-aware multi-user-system, or mobile ambient learning environment.

These different approaches to enhanced states kind of reminds me of the difference between the speed kids and acid heads when I was younger.
Punk v psychedelic parallels anyone?
 
 
Ganesh
00:37 / 23.01.03
The 'creepy' scene reminded me of Xorn's mask's resemblance - surely intentional - to the hybrid Grey alien/smiley motif Morrison introduced toward the end of 'The Invisibles'. In fact, the whole scene (forest setting, light and silhouette, secrets) was vaguely reminiscent of 'alien abduction' stuff in general.
 
 
The Natural Way
07:51 / 23.01.03
Sleaze is right: she's one of Grant's Shrodinger's Cats. Mmmmm, shades of Number None....
 
 
some guy
11:31 / 23.01.03
Scott's always in a plane during his psychic affairs with Emma because flying = sex in dreams.

Late to the party on this one I'm sure, but just noticed U-Man = Human.

Don't think Emma created Kick - this ish is the first time we see her strung out, and it's clearly an addictive drug.
 
 
Aertho
12:59 / 23.01.03
Excellent comparison between No-Girl and Kick. Now the question is, what was the Schodinger's Cat of the original team of five?

Although the comparison and contrast of the Omega Gang and Special Class is sufficient and enjoyable on its own, I've felt for some time now that there is another commentary going on. How is the "New X-Men" school a reflection and secondary mutation of the "Uncanny X-Men" school of the sixties? I know that's a plain as all hell question, but Grant's introduced a LOT of elements that may or may not reflect the teachers' generation.

Barnell Bohusk = Quentin Quire = Scott Summers, anyone?
and both have relationships with girls that are rooted in the girls' needs for power and worth.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:04 / 23.01.03
There wasn't a Shrodinger's Cat in the original team. Everyone definitely existed. I'm not sure we're on the same frequency here.
 
 
some guy
13:26 / 23.01.03
Barnell Bohusk = Quentin Quire = Scott Summers, anyone?
and both have relationships with girls that are rooted in the girls' needs for power and worth.


I don't how that fits Angel or Jean...
 
 
Aertho
14:34 / 23.01.03
I'm only not sure what exactly a Schrodinger's Cat is.

What I'm asking is: What "concept" or motivating force united the original five in some way? Was it Professor X's doctrine? The racism parallel? The "idea" of what a Suffering Superhero ought to think and feel?

And as for Jean and Angel's parallel with Tattoo, my inference is only made obvious through Tattoo's characterization. We all see that Tattoo jumps on the most-coolest guy and leader type -it gives her a place, a status and image at Xavier's.

Angel jumps on the least-coolest guy because he's the one guy that she can make feel worse than she feels about herself. He has absolutely no self-esteem, and she continues to verbally erode him while also building him up -either sexually or as his only friend, giving her a little self-esteem in the process. Her relationship with Beak maintains her place and a vampiric sense of self-worth.

How does this parallel Jean? This is assuming that thier relationship was NEVER healthy. Perhaps young Jean and young Scott held onto a level of self-hate so deep that they could only like themselves when seen through the other's eyes. That they were only together because they believed that they could only be with-each-other. This goes back to Scott's self-interest and self-preservation speech in the first Grant issue. Now Scott's aware of it, because Jean's Phoenix-level secondary mutation has risen her outside of the carousel. He knows that if she wanted to, she wouldn't have to deal with the world's hate becasue she could wipe it clean.

This is merely my observation, feel free to shred.
 
 
some guy
14:51 / 23.01.03
Angel jumps on the least-coolest guy because he's the one guy that she can make feel worse than she feels about herself.

Wow - I don't see this at all. I actually think Angel really likes him.

Perhaps young Jean and young Scott held onto a level of self-hate so deep that they could only like themselves when seen through the other's eyes.

I don't see anything to suggest this, although I agree Scott's view of Jean is somewhat unhealthy by the time Madeline enters the picture. But I don't think we've seen any evidence of self-loathing from Scott prior to the Apocalypse merger, and Jean was probably the healthiest of the original X-Men in terms of mental state (indeed I doubt any of the guys would have made the sacrifice she did in UXM 137).

That they were only together because they believed that they could only be with-each-other.

They're both given other lovers, though. Jean initially has an interest in Warren back in the Kirby days, and has an ongoing flirtation with Logan. Scott has a thing with Lee Forrester prior to Maddy. My '90s continuity is spotty, but wasn't there also the intimation of something between Scott and Psylocke?

It's a nice theory, but I'll need more convincing.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:53 / 23.01.03
WE
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THE
FICTIO
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Aertho
15:24 / 23.01.03
Angel really does like Beak -in that she sees herself in him. I know boys and girls have little verbal wars when they really like each other, but it seems to me that at the root of that is the need to destroy the parts of yourself others don't like, hence when I insult you, it's really something others are saying to me. The attraction is dependant on the desire to recognize the good in another person, so that recognize the good in you, resulting in a co-dependant relationship.

Angel is a molested and abused hispanic lower class girl who is now a mutant. Beak is on record for saying how much he hates himself. At least he admits it.

I'll talk more about Psylocke/Cyclops/Emma/Phoenix/Jean/Wolverine/Professor X a little later.
 
 
some guy
16:02 / 23.01.03
Angel really does like Beak -in that she sees herself in him. I know boys and girls have little verbal wars when they really like each other, but it seems to me that at the root of that is the need to destroy the parts of yourself others don't like, hence when I insult you, it's really something others are saying to me. The attraction is dependant on the desire to recognize the good in another person, so that recognize the good in you, resulting in a co-dependant relationship.

Not buying this. If Angel is seeking to validate herself she'd be after the captain of the Xavier School football team. There's been nothing between Beak and Angel to suggest co-dependence yet, either. I suspect that Angel's attracted to Beak because he's not Full Of Shit.

Angel is a molested

Do we know this for sure?
 
 
Aertho
16:14 / 23.01.03
Her father, or mother's boyfriend, states that he molested her in her first appearance, where he beats her and kicks her out for being a mutant.

I'm gonna wait a couple of issues to se more developments before I sully anymore relationships with talk of co-dependancy and minority self-loathing. That's just what I see.
 
 
some guy
16:34 / 23.01.03
Angel's taking the low road, staying invisible.

But she's not really, is she? She's mouthing off at every opportunity. She wants to be noticed.

Her father, or mother's boyfriend, states that he molested her in her first appearance

He seems to be saying that he didn't molest her, although obviously he beats her.

I'm not saying Jean/Tattoo/Angel are the SAME, just that their actions are similar.

The only similarity appears to be that they each like guys...
 
 
Quimper
18:56 / 23.01.03
I don't feel the parallel between Beak and Cyclops can be applied to Quentin. If any comparisons are going to be made between Quentin and anybody, it should be Magneto. It follows that if the Special Class are the Original X-Men (the parallels are deep, see below), then the Omega Gang are clearly the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. Grant is sticking cut-and-dry X-Men #1-5 right in the middle of his new age, morally ambiguous bohemia.

Look at it this way, Quentin is Magneto. He is the "my-way-or-the-highway" leader ("Agree with me"). Glob Herman is his jester, his Toad. Instead of Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch, you have Radian and Tatoo (connected racially, not by blood) and finally Redneck, the silent one, the Mastermind. Quentin's opposite is not Beak, it's Xorn, the "Professor X" of the real "new" X-Men.

Xorn is the pacifist leader with a dark side. He is buddha, meant to bring in a new age, much like Xavier. Beak is the strategist who is unsure of his abilities (Cyclops). He is romantically connected to Angel (Marvel Girl), who can do what the others can't—fly, much like Jean surpassed her teammates in ability. Dummy's powers are questionable in battle, much like Angel's were. Basilisk is the Iceman joker and Ernst/Martha are the brawn/brains combination inherent to Beast.
 
 
Persephone
19:13 / 23.01.03
I don't think that Xorn had the whole thing planned out, either. There's that panel where they're running to the cliff, and Xorn says something like "Well this is just not acceptable." I think that's when he's processing that he has to do something different this time.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
21:09 / 23.01.03
There is only one way this can end. The special class and the Omega Gang must join forces and unite as a mutant super band. The charismatic lead singer, Quentin Quire. And the enigmatic guitar player Beak.
 
 
ciarconn
22:15 / 23.01.03
No-Girl is the fictionaut
 
 
Analogues On
23:25 / 23.01.03
On the parallels thing – it’s not an exact science sure, but I do think it has thematic relevance to the story (and hey, its new and kinda fun). By digging up the original blueprints of the book and playing with their structures I feel that Grant has hit a subliminal “reset” button, casually putting aside decades of continuity baggage to get back to the core of the title, while allowing long-term fans to pick up on nuances which won’t confuse or alienate new readers (Bolivar Trask etc)
Remember, last issue was called "Teaching Children about Fractals", which might suggest this theme of repeating patterns and systems, structures within ultra-structures, broken reflections and distant echoes.

In respect of this, I agree with Quimper that The Omega Gang seem to be a blatant return to the old reliance upon dual systems of man/ mutant, good/ evil and right/ wrong, that Magneto preached. And like his mentor, Quentin’s dream (if he even has one) is simply another pre-defined maxim for others to follow, and has no room for inclusion/ ambiguity - only indoctrination/ faith..
In contrast to this “super zeitgeist/ Glam/ next level” manifestation of The Brotherhood of Evil is the Special Class; a name which, on first reading, suggests special needs or remedials, and who last issue described themselves as "garbage - all the freaks and losers". Yet despite what Quentin said at the conclusion of last issue, I feel that these are the real New X-Men; a bunch of misfits who have to survive without the omega level telepathy, gleaming organic steel or million-dollar inheritances that the X-books have made standard for so long. Finally we get a version that fits into the original vision of the X-men as teen-age weirdos struggling for values in a morally confusing world. And although it is in no way an identikit formula, I think Grant is making obvious allusions with the original X-Men here, and I love the idea of the Special Class being analogues of that team, down to Basilisk being a "cheap copy" of Cyclops (even Dummy’s gaseous form reminded me of Bobby’s pathetic snow-boy incarnation).

The values, lessons and secrets that the Special Class learn in this issue stand in stark contrast to the borrowed philosophies and misjudged conclusions of Quentin's crew (respect v reputation, responsibility v rebellion, focus v riot, community v the elite) and activate a self-taught* group experience which is the equivalent of Xavier’s belief system without the lecturing. And as we see this issue, when the team finally coalesce, No-Girl becomes "visible" and the Special Class become truly "Special"; as in chosen, remarkable, spectacular, uncanny.
 
  

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