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American Sniper Leaves Tarot Card

 
  

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penitentvandal
09:04 / 20.10.02
There's something very odd about this sniper. Most of his killings, so far, have occurred in the same two-day period, some literally within hours of each other. Since then, he's killed less and less often. That's unusual when compared to the standard pattern for serial killers - killing people less frequently to start with, but killing more and more frequently as time goes on. So far, he doesn't seem to have killed anyone for days.

Do we have any gun-freaks on this site? is it possible to work out what kind of sniper rifle this guy's using? How much ammo does it take?

Vadrice - do you know of any suicides occuring in the D.C./Virginia/Maryland area recently? Maybe the sniper's already checked out...It would explain the lack of killings in the past week or so.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
10:01 / 20.10.02
Couple of things.

The rifle fire 5.56mm NATO bullets, which is about the most common assault rifle bullet you can get, it's what M16's (the rifle that the american army use) and most other countries weapons fire. So it could be any number of weapons. It's a slightly unusual round for sniping work apparently, many sniper rifles fire 7.62mm or larger. This does suggest he/they are using semi automatic weapon or perhaps one capable of full auto. Not that I'm sure how any of this will help what you're proposing. I'm not a gun nut but I do watch the news from time to time.

The card and the message were supposedly communication between him and one of the senior officers on the case. It was part of an interractive thing they had going on. I suspect that the card was used due to "cool" imagery, not really thought about in occult terms. But that's just a thought. The ace of spades thing was not just done in Apocalypse Now, this was apparently a real technique dreamed up by psychological warfare people during the Vietnam war. Unfortunalty the Vietnamese didn't have the slightest idea of the cards significance.

I wholeheartedly support the pushing of any action which could help stop this guys from objectyfying his victims. However I really don't think anyone on this board wants to be seen dropping sigils anywhere near the crime scenes.

Is this guy a serial killer or a spree killer/mass murderer? And does anyone know how similar they are to the Zodiac Killings in San Francisco? I seem to recall that was a (roof top?) sniper as well.
 
 
Vadrice
10:27 / 20.10.02
Haven't heard of any suicides since before the shootings started- but no dice on being that lucky.
Another human being was gunned down last night in VA at a Ponderosa resturant.

And I don't plan on stopping at each of the individual kill sites... just driving through- connecting the dots with my body, imposing a clensing sigil in my mind. I don't plan on getting out of the car- but anything anyone wants me to mind, I'd be glad to.

I also don't plan on driving. I have a friend coming to visit from Jersey- I'm hoping they are willing to come along. Magic and driving- worse than clapping and talking on a cell phone.
 
 
Vadrice
11:00 / 20.10.02
And Zodiac killed most often with a handgun at relatively close range.
 
 
ciarconn
12:22 / 20.10.02
Hey, Vadrice, How about carrying something to pick up/save the energy/vibes from the places? If you were in Mexico, I'd sugest a bule (a kind of Pumpkin, hollowed), but, well, anything that goes with your sytem. That could be used as an energetic link between the places, and towards the snipper
 
 
penitentvandal
15:47 / 20.10.02
I've been thinking. Here are my thoughts.

(And before anyone assumes I'm right - bear in mind that I'm not a psychologist, let alone a profiler. This is just my theory about the sniper, based on examining the frequency of his killings and whatever insight into human psychology I've gleaned from 6 years as a practising magician. Mm'kay?)

The Sniper is a college graduate or drop-out, probably with some kind of technical degree, e.g. engineering or somesuch. He's the kind of guy who takes metaphors literally. He has, or has recently been laid-off from, a job which has at most average pay, is dull and repetitive, and which he considers beneath his capabilities. He's a right-wing libertarian, and he has problems with authority - be they his boss, the cops, whoever. He's probably read Nietzsche and De Sade, and perhaps Ayn Rand as well. He might have read some Hesse - probably Demian - and if he has, he'll definitely have the bit where Demian explains the Mark of Cain heavily underlined.

He's probably a member of some gun club or other but he's a loner (cliched, I know, but if the shoe fits...). He's not millitia - the millitia are fairly fundamentalist Xtians and would never claim to be God themselves. He might have joined, or more likely attempted to join, some kind of magickal order - probably the Church of Satan or Temple of Set - but I'm wary of staking my life on that possibility. those are the organisations he'd consider most in keeping with his philosophy, but I imagine their selection procedures would have identified him as a mentalist and he wouldn't have been accepted.

The huge number of killings carried out initially were a test - he was seeing if he could get away with it, and how much he could get away with. He believes that by killing people, he somehow acquires godlike powers - hence the Tarot card. He probably reckons he's achieved his godly status now, which is why the killings are lesss frequent - he's chilling out, taking his time, savouring the hunt, revelling in his self-styled divine right to decide who lives and who dies. He's also probably been getting off on the media attention his crimes are getting, and the panic he's causing - which he doubtless interprets as awe and fear of his godhood.

The police have, apparently, discovered a white van with bullet casings in abandoned at Dulles airport, so he's probably taken off and left the scene of his crime to try out his powers elsewhere. He can't take the gun with him, given the security procedures on American airlines, post 9/11, so wherever he fetches up next, his first move will be to acquire a new weapon. This will mean he'll probably have to have gone somewhere with fairly relaxed gun control laws, so I guess he'll be on an internal flight. Either that or he's off to find a country without an extradition treaty, but think about it: he's God. Why does he need the law to protect him?

Right. That's my unreliable armchair psychologist theory. Let's see if it turns out to be true...(and if it's even 50% right I'll be pretty chuffed)
 
 
01
20:26 / 20.10.02
The reason he hasn't struck until now and has gone the farthest away from the DC area to date is because he's been watching the news and realizes how much effort is being put in to stop him. However, I don't think that it'll deter him completely and the attacks will continue. However they'll be less frequent and will take place within a much wider radius to the DC area. His new "celebrity status" will drive him become more meticulous and calculating as well as patient.

Here's another thing that I don't know if I'm on about or not, maybe just reading into it too much but whatever, check it out for yourself and tell me if I'm being ridiculous.

The map at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/daily/graphics/sniper/shootings_map.html

has the locations, orders and dates of all the shootings minus this latest one that has yet to be confirmed as consistent with the rest. If you look at the attacks marked numbers 2-7, those all appeared within roughly the same area. Attacks 3-7 all took place on the same day within hours of each other.

8 is southwest

9 is northeast

10 southwest as well but not so much as 8

So far it looks up to this point as if he's trying to mark out a pentagram or "star of satan" or whatever with the locations of the killings which is pretty "Hollywood B-movie plot". Consistent with his leaving of the Death card while not knowing it's true significance in the Tarot. It's as if he's trying to push people's buttons by using into the same devices that screenwriteres would use. However, he doesn't have much of an imagination as these plot devices are very tired. "Mr. Policeman. I am God." How many movies and TV shows has that been used in? It's a sick theatre for him. The randomness of the victim's also contributes to this point. No one is targetted other than the fact that he's making a point to be random. Fame and terror are his only goals.

Or maybe he is smarter than that and is deliberately using these worn out "plot devices" to make the authorities think that he's dumber than he appears. After the 10th attack, assuming the pentagram theory to be relevant, it would make sense for the police to focus their attention on the area southeast of DC as an attack there would "complete the pentegram" assuming that drawing one is his goal. But he doesn't attack in the southeast. Instead he opts to go back/stay in the southwest leaving his dots unconnected. He then seems to abandon it altogether as attack number 12 gets closer to the DC area again.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
21:11 / 20.10.02
Please stop saying he doesn't understand the meaning of the tarot. That's really starting to bug me. I'm sure he was simply leaving it becuase it had a Goddamn skeleton on it, and it said Death. I seriously doubt he was trying to imply something of occult nature. It was just "Im killing people, so heres a DEATH card".
 
 
01
21:51 / 20.10.02
Exactly my point, he's being literal, taking the card at face value without knowing its significance within the Tarot itself. He could have just as easily left a Misfits album cover.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
22:17 / 20.10.02
What I'm saying is that none of us know if he knows the signifigance of the tarot or not. He may well be Tarot Master Supreme 2000, thus he had a deck on him, and thought "It'd be clever if I left the Death card. That'd be badass."

See, even if hes the grand Puba of the tarot, he's playing to the crowd, the popular media, and the everyman. Doesn't mean he doesn't understand it.

"The Barbelith crowds gonna slam me for this, using the Death card innapropriately and all, but fuck 'em. It'll look cool."

Plus if he left a card like the 10 of swords or something, where people had to consult occultists on what it's meaning was he'd appear to be really into the occult, and there probably would be some kind of backlash. But as it was the Death card, pretty straightfoward symbol, I don't think the media considers him some "magic freak".

On a sidenote: I hope when they catch this guy he listens to some top 40.
 
 
penitentvandal
13:29 / 21.10.02
It works until you try and map it on the computer (using my hi-tech method of a marker and a piece of acetate). Until killing number ten everything looks like it's shaping up to be a pentagram, but then you look at eleven and 12 and - no cigar. I wound up with a triangle with a line in the middle.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
21:15 / 21.10.02
A triangle with a line in the middle? Maybe he's going for a Star of David design. He's against the United States relationship with Israel, and to show that the USA is run by the Jews he shows America stamped with the Star of David.

Anyway I heard this morning that he left a phone number or something for the police, and that the police have 2 men in custody, but I'm a bit hazy on the details.
 
 
Vadrice
21:21 / 21.10.02
everyone is but the investigators.
 
 
Papess
21:34 / 21.10.02
Not to imbue this tragedy with too much mystical pretension, but could the points add up to the beginings of an ennegram?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
22:13 / 21.10.02
What the fuck's an ennegram? And is it something the general public wouldn't rcognize?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
22:21 / 21.10.02
More on the Tarot thing and a movielike plot twist from Yahoo news.

_ France alerted Interpol about a French army deserter who is known as a marksman and is missing in North America. A Defense Ministry spokesman said there was speculation of a link to the sniper.

_The Richmond Times-Dispatch reported that police have found more than one tarot card during the investigation. A tarot death card was reported found Oct. 7 outside a Bowie, Md., middle school where the sniper wounded a 13-year-old boy. It had the words "Dear Policeman, I am God" written on it.

They dont mention how many more cards or which cards however.
 
 
Papess
23:03 / 21.10.02
You will have to forgive me Jack, I am a vacant lot for terms and labels. I should know better than to post something regarding a term and not check it out first.

This is what I mean...

 
 
Jack Denfeld
23:45 / 21.10.02
That looks nifty. What's it do? Background info?
 
 
the Fool
01:22 / 22.10.02
Pardon my volunteering you Fool, but I am guessing you will go where angels fear to tread!

Just wanted to say thanks to May, for puffing up my ego for the day.

Do we still want to do a sigil? I've only skim read this thread so I'm uncertain if any decisions have been made. My thoughts on a sigil in this regard would be not to directly affect the sniper hirself but the string of unseen coincidents between the sniper and his pursuers (to bring informationn to the investigators), or bless the investigators with some strange ability to 'sniff' hir out (the ability to know real information from fake, innate sense of 'where' the sniper is, beginning to prempt hir actions etc...) with a clause at the end of the sigil that allows all this coincidental magic to evapourate when the sniper is caught.

Thus negative karma is avoided by not directly engaging with the sniper hirself. The only magical actions are a positive blessing on investigators and a bit of coincidental evidence glue magic between investigators and their quarry, all of which dissolves when the situation has passed.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
01:31 / 22.10.02
I figure our cranky little german servator would feed off of accurate clues toward the sniper's identity and aprehension. The only misgivings I have about him is that he better be well programmed so as to not veer off after any other gods or would-be gods.

Of course the adea of having a god-seeking missle on call is kind of heart warming to the 13 year old magician in me.

-Kevin
 
 
Tamayyurt
01:50 / 22.10.02
About the death card playing to the crowds, wouldn't the tower be even crazier what with the whole 9/11 and the fact that unlike the death card is means something bad?

Anyway, lets get these sigils and magicks online so we can fuck this muther fucker up!
 
 
The Tower Always Falls
02:11 / 22.10.02
Sounds reasonable. I have a semi-decent one ready but, again due to computer ignorance I have no ability to post it. I'm going to be a dork and ask how to post images around here... can't seem to find the how-to's on the policy board...

Speaking of hunters, anyone opposed to blessing these DC detectives with the hunter abilites/intuition of Artemis?
 
 
MJ-12
03:19 / 22.10.02
May, I believe that is actually known as the unicursal hexagram, and was AC's personal sign. The enneagram is a 9 point design drawing from Ouspensky & Gurdjieff.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:12 / 22.10.02
From the Greek, you know.

The most common form of enneagram, to my knowledge, is this:

 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:00 / 22.10.02
Speaking of hunters, anyone opposed to blessing these DC detectives with the hunter abilites/intuition of Artemis?

Um...

(raises hand. Look, don't blame me, exp suggested I should try to get involved)

I think that would be a curious choice. Artemis is one of the children of Leto. Apollo, known as the "far-worker", is the other. The whole thing about this is that the children of Leto kill people from a distance, with arrows or plague (see the Niobids), and as such would make a far more appropriate totem for the sniper than for the police. Especially since Apollo was responsible for the defence in the murder trial of Orestes. It just doesn't fit.

Better, I would suggest, would be Athena, who has association with justice for her role as arbiter in the same trial, and is the natural patron of problem-solvers, and thus detectives.
 
 
Bear
10:37 / 22.10.02
Sounds like the sniper got someone else this morning, nothing to do with magick but I was wondering if the police will release all the details of the case if/when they catch this person, there's allot of info not being told to the public.

Why don't we just kill the sniper?
 
 
Papess
11:11 / 22.10.02
ACtually, I was thinking of the Elevenfold Star because, (as it is clearly not represented in the image I posted), it has a pentagram in the centre which I thought would account for the initial cluster of shootings.

Here is a link to The Elevenfold Seal adapted from Liber V vel Reguli

And a commentary

Quite honestly though, I don't really think it looks like anything anymore. I am truly reaching for some mystical connection to satisfy my indulgent paranoia. THe enneagram looks pretty close though. heh

I agree with Haus, I like Athena much better. She rules over Strategy, which would be helpful at the moment and, She could take them past the hunt, to the (legal) kill.

Fool, hey what can I say, I am an admirer of your work.

{{{{{kisses}}}}}
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
12:30 / 22.10.02
Black Magic... right. The Sniper has probably seen a few too many serial-killer flicks and has decided to spruce up the mythology surrounding the case with a little satanic chic.
The 'I am God' comment doesn't refer to anything particularly Occult: a cop investigating the shootings said that 'God only knows who he is', the killer is making a dark little joke back.
 
 
The Tower Always Falls
15:03 / 22.10.02
Athena IS a much better choice. That plus the fact that when I looked at my first sigil and realized that, yes it could look like an eye- but also WAY to much like a sniper scope (especially when superimposed over the map area as I had done). This makes me realize that despite the intent of the sigil, I've been um... shudder perhaps unconsciously empathizing with the wrong person in this whole thing.

That's more than a little bit disturbing to me. Mayhaps I'm not the best person to create this thing...

Damn. Artemis. I should have realized that.
 
 
Lionheart
18:03 / 22.10.02
I'm sorry to say this but velvetvandal has a crapload of problems with the psychological profile of the sniper. He makes the one mistake that profilers aren't supposed to make. That is, not to make profiles which are affected by the profiler's bias and misinformation.

I'll start from the beginning..

"The Sniper is a college graduate or drop-out, probably with some kind of technical degree, e.g. engineering or somesuch. He's the kind of guy who takes metaphors literally. He has, or has recently been laid-off from, a job which has at most average pay, is dull and repetitive, and which he considers beneath his capabilities."

Possible. I don'tthink this is the most likely possibility but it's posible.

"He's a right-wing libertarian, and he has problems with authority - be they his boss, the cops, whoever. He's probably read Nietzsche and De Sade, and perhaps Ayn Rand as well. He might have read some Hesse - probably Demian - and if he has, he'll definitely have the bit where Demian explains the Mark of Cain heavily underlined."

Uhm.. I don't understand why you'd consider him to be a right wing libertarian. There doesn't seem to be any basis for such a specific statement.

"He's probably a member of some gun club or other but he's a loner (cliched, I know, but if the shoe fits...). He's not millitia - the millitia are fairly fundamentalist Xtians and would never claim to be God themselves."

This shows quite a bit of personal bias/misinformation. The militias are not fundamentalist Xtian groups as the mass media portrays them. The militias are composed of members of many religions. Jews, Christians, etc.. and quite a few of them aren't political at all. So this conclusion seems to be based on bias.

"He might have joined, or more likely attempted to join, some kind of magickal order - probably the Church of Satan or Temple of Set - but I'm wary of staking my life on that possibility. those are the organisations he'd consider most in keeping with his philosophy, but I imagine their selection procedures would have identified him as a mentalist and he wouldn't have been accepted."

You make the really big mistake of claiming to know the sniper's "philosophy". You don't know the sniper's philosophy on anything because that info isn't available. Plus, you're right not to stake your life on the sniper joining any magick groups because that seems highly unlikely.

"The huge number of killings carried out initially were a test - he was seeing if he could get away with it, and how much he could get away with. He believes that by killing people, he somehow acquires godlike powers - hence the Tarot card. He probably reckons he's achieved his godly status now, which is why the killings are lesss frequent - he's chilling out, taking his time, savouring the hunt, revelling in his self-styled divine right to decide who lives and who dies."

Doesn't seem to make sense. He left the Tarot card at an early shooting. Does that mean he was striving to be God before those early shootings? And when did he believe that he reached god-like status? At what point? This isn't a mistake, you should just put in more of a timeline.

"He's also probably been getting off on the media attention his crimes are getting, and the panic he's causing - which he doubtless interprets as awe and fear of his godhood."

Probably. I'd think that's pretty much correct.

"The police have, apparently, discovered a white van with bullet casings in abandoned at Dulles airport, so he's probably taken off and left the scene of his crime to try out his powers elsewhere. He can't take the gun with him, given the security procedures on American airlines, post 9/11, so wherever he fetches up next, his first move will be to acquire a new weapon."

Well, we now know that the shell casing found in the truck was the wrong caliber. But that's not important. Why would he fly? Why would he spend money to take a plane trip somewhere when he could just drive? You don't have to fly to get across the U.S. And he could bring his gun with him.

"This will mean he'll probably have to have gone somewhere with fairly relaxed gun control laws, so I guess he'll be on an internal flight. Either that or he's off to find a country without an extradition treaty, but think about it: he's God. Why does he need the law to protect him?"

Why would he go to a state with relaxed gun control laws? He's acquired a gun in Maryland. A state with tough gun control laws. Why would he suddenly start paying attention to the law? And why would he go to a country without an extradition treaty if he believes he's god?

And now.. for the CHEAP SHOT... How do you know the sniper is male?

Monkey out.
 
 
Papess
18:04 / 22.10.02
DOn't sweat it Tower. I am sure your efforts will be duly noted in the book of life. heh

You know, I really do not think this is the work of one dude.
 
 
Lionheart
18:27 / 22.10.02
My possible profile of the sniper...

Probably a he. Why? Cause I'm sexist. Nah, it's just that it seems more likely to me for some reason. No reason it couldn't be a woman though.

The sniper isn't trained to be a sniper. 10 kills out of 12 or 13 or whatever the count is. At close range that's pretty unimpressive. And it seems that he's more of a marksman instead of a sniper. He could be using a scope though at these close ranges the scope, if he's using one, must be pretty weak.

He has a rifle. That means he owns a gun. That probably means he's not an avid supporter of gun control. Not that's he's against it. More like he doesn't care one way or the either.

.223 A common rifle caliber. He could be using a military type rifle but most likely he isn't. Why? Because why spend money on a semi-automatic, full military gun when he could just get.. a single fire bolt-action .223 rifle. Doesn't have to be single shot. Could have a clip or magazine but it seems that maybe the reason he's only firing one shot is due to the limitations of his weapon. Not that he cares. He's playing the role of a sniper. He's satisfied with his gear.

He probably expected to get caught during that killing spree with which he started off. But he didn't get caught, arrested, etc. He's suicidal, or, more likely, he was depressed. Didn't see a reason to continue his life so he decided to go out. But he didn't want to kill himself. Cold feet. So he decided to kill others to get punishment brought upon himself. Said punishment never arrived. He becomes more confident. He believes that he can do whatever he wants. But he probablt wouldn't talk/brag about it. He tyhinks that he'd jinx it or something. But he does want to be stopped. That's why he contacts the police. It isn't a game. He wants to be caught. To disprove the notion that he could do anything. He's taking bigger and bigger risks. He wants to talk to the cops. Probably a stop me if you can type of scenario.

I'm not sure about this but it seems that he drives around doing his job or whatever and when he gets into the mood he pulls over. Gets into position. Acts out his strange fantasy. Pop. And he's gone back on his way.

The tarot cards show that he's not a fundamentalist Xtian. Those guys wouldn't touch a Harry Potter book much less a Tarot card deck.

He has a deck with him. Might be slightly involved with the New Age. Like those people who buy books on Feng Shui. They aren't really interested in magick. Just stuff like that.

He uses the Tarot deck because that's what he has.

UNLIKELY POSSIBILITY: He's taking all the so-called "bad" cards out of the deck. The Death card, possibly the Tower card, maybe the Devil card, etc...

He probably doesn't have any close, immediate relatives. No wife or children. Those might hinder him. Or call the cops.

If he doesn't have a family then the reason he owns a van would probably be for work. Since the first shooting happened next to a construction store and another one near Home Depot then maybe he's getting equipment for his job, gets into the mood and shoots somebody.

So.. here's my profile in short.

Sex: Male
Age: 20 - 40+
Family: No close relatives.
Education: High school diploma. GED possibly. Some high school education.
Job: Construction, or plumbing, or carpeting. Unlikely but possible: Painter (as in painting of buildings.)
Transportation: Van.
Lives in: That county in Maryland.. I forget the name.
Most likely to be caught: Doing something other than sniping.
Politics: Apolitical.
Religion: Doesn't care.

Monkey out.
 
 
cusm
20:43 / 22.10.02
I played connect the dots with the points on the map myself. I did it by looking at the map, not my hand, and doing a quick draw to encourage automatic writing to take over and give results without ego interference.

What I got was an inverted cross for the first cluster, and directly beneath that a penticle, point up. The penticle was quite percise, for scrawling without looking at it.

Realizing I had created a potent sigel to the meta event itself, I announced "this will stop" and destroyed the paper in a banishing.

So, there's my bit to help out.
 
 
Papess
20:54 / 22.10.02
The arrangement of the first cluster is definately an upside-down cross, I noticed that too, but thought ...that is just too typical.

I like your working Cusm. Good Show!
 
 
Vadrice
20:56 / 22.10.02
Before I tweakaprofile to my head, I'd like to reiterate that I'm on scene tomorrow, driving the loop. I'm not going to get out of the car, but if anyone wants me to drop a sigil along the way, I'd be glad to. As of right now I'm just cleaning up the energy along the way to make it safer to work with- so don't ask me to drop anything that would be counteracting to that, but...

Up and coming, another profile are belong to us.
 
  

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