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American Sniper Leaves Tarot Card

 
  

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Bear
12:43 / 09.10.02
Just spotted this on yahoo -

A sniper terrorizing the Washington suburbs reportedly left behind a Tarot card with the words, "Dear policeman, I am God," near a bullet casing outside the school where a 13-year-old boy was critically wounded.

From here -
Yahoo Story

Bad news for anyone interested in the occult (and of course the people being shot), how long before peope start saying this person is a devil worshiper..

It was the Death Card by the way
 
 
Papess
13:49 / 09.10.02
Bad News indeed!

HERETIC! HERETIC!...
 
 
pacha perplexa
14:52 / 09.10.02
It was the Death Card by the way

How bloody obvious.
 
 
pacha perplexa
14:53 / 09.10.02
If this twat decided to run over people with a vehicle would he leave The Chariot behind, then? Or the Wheel of Fortune?
What a twat.
 
 
kagemaru
14:56 / 09.10.02
Not that obvious - unless he's really a hopeless sap.

"Death" in the tarot does not mean death.
It means momentous change, total change of perspective.
It is often a positive card.

So, is the guy a fool who watched too much TV, or is he trying to tell us something?

Yeah, right.
As if we did not already know the answer...
 
 
illmatic
15:00 / 09.10.02
Wonder what deck it was? Really bad new age deck maybe? Makes the whole thing seem more like "Dirty Harry".
 
 
pacha perplexa
15:21 / 09.10.02
That's my meaning, K.
The tarot Death doesn't mean death, indeed. So if he thinks it does, I reckon he has nothing valuable to say.
And if he does know the meaning, go figure what's in his mind. What could be positive/change-triggering about shooting a 13 year-old?
 
 
ciarconn
15:47 / 09.10.02
I suppose Bush´s crussade won´t stop with muslims, he must take it against "devil worshippers" too. It´s gpoing to be a nice decade... even better than the 80´s
 
 
ciarconn
16:06 / 09.10.02
Sorry for my paranoia burst.

This is the magick zone. This guy is giving the occult a bad name (again).

Shouldn´t somebody become his instant karma? Rain on his parade? or something?

I mena, think of it as a "social service".
 
 
Papess
16:22 / 09.10.02
Are you suggesting what I think you are suggesting Ciarconn?

Let's make an example outta him!

don't mess with the magi
 
 
adamswish
16:48 / 09.10.02
saw a brief news item that this guy left a note to the police claiming "I am god".

So us occultists should be safe. Just pity the normal religous bods out there.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
17:20 / 09.10.02
I suppose Bush´s crussade won´t stop with muslims, he must take it against "devil worshippers" too. It´s gpoing to be a nice decade... even better than the 80´s

Let's hope the fashion is as much fun.

Did he leave the note with the card, or just by itself? I mean, is he saying Death is god, or himself? Or both?
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
17:57 / 09.10.02
Oh no no, Swish; that, I believe, would be the assumption of only a logical literalist would take. The alamist tendency of middle America is that anyone claiming they are God (or any permutation of such a presumptious statement) will inevitably have certain views which conflict with their picture of God (or at least they believe so, though I doubt they'd ever see the parallel between a vindictive God who'd flood the world and a deathdealer). Thus, since such proclaimed power invokes fear instead of comfort, must mean that whoever claims such a thing must in fact be an agent of the Devil, if not the Beast himself. WE know what the Tarot Death card means, and we know that belief in the Tarot does not directly challenge any specific philosophy (though science seems eager to pick a fight half the time), but most people don't. Thus it becomes guilt by association, and there's no indication to the all-so-discerning eye of the world that the association isn't anything more than superficial by dint of both "statements" being of a spiritual nature, albeit an ill-configured one. Watch out for increased protests against "Harry Potter" this Xmas, especially in the sub-DC region.
 
 
Wyrd
21:13 / 09.10.02
Yeah, I suspect this story will have the press out in force making ludricous claims about magic and Tarot.

Unfortunately, the nutcase involved might actually be involved in occult circles - every scene has at least one looney.

Damage control might be a bit difficult for this one. And yes, the Death card - how crap. Why not the Tower or the 10 of swords...
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
23:03 / 09.10.02
I'll bet it was from that Live And Let Die-designed tarot deck. Yeesh.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
04:30 / 10.10.02
Guys, we are totally missing the oppurtunity that this provides. Maybe this tells us information about the shooter. Perhaps he is not just a retard using the death card to scare people, maybe it is his card. Making him, or her, a Cancer perhaps. If he used a rare deck it could be tracked back to a specific store. If it is really rare it could be tracked to a specific special order.

On the otherhand OMG this wacko is going to start a new witchhunt.
 
 
Saint Keggers
04:44 / 10.10.02
I wonder if he's going to do the whole deck or just the major arcana.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
07:11 / 10.10.02
"Death doesn't necessarily mean, like...well, death, does it? It can mean other things."

"I suppose so. A tarot card showing a skeleton with a scythe, mowing down kings and commoners alike can be interpreted in any number of ways by people who don't dare accept it at face value."
 
 
drzener
10:48 / 10.10.02
I thought the death card was for Scorpio and not Cancer. Is this just in my deck (Thoth Tarot) or am I mistaken? I'd appreciate clarification.
 
 
rizla mission
10:54 / 10.10.02
I wonder if he's going to do the whole deck or just the major arcana.

probably just got a shitload of Death's, the unimaginative bugger..
 
 
Bear
11:19 / 10.10.02
Sounds like there's actually 2 people doing the shooting, Yahoo news were actually quite good about the whole card thing, explaining the card doesn't have to mean death. My moneys on two teenagers I'm afraid.

I blame Marilyn Manson, not for this I just blame him.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:02 / 10.10.02
If anyone feels like getting totally off magick-related themes (as, I believe, has been pointed out already, "Death" doesn't equal DEATH- doubt the guy's really an occultist...) or getting non-magick-related themes out of "The Magick", there's a thread in Switchboard about this.
 
 
Bear
12:12 / 10.10.02
Sorry I did look for a thread on the switchboard but couldn't see it, always good to keep a note of whats happening though - because as people have said its probably going to take magick into the public eye - even if it is total bullshit.
 
 
Stone Mirror
06:58 / 11.10.02
The tarot Death doesn't mean death, indeed. So if he thinks it does, I reckon he has nothing valuable to say.

Um, were we entertaining the notion that someone shooting down people at random had "something valuable to say"...?

Just wondering.
 
 
Trijhaos
11:17 / 11.10.02
I thought the death card was for Scorpio and not Cancer. Is this just in my deck (Thoth Tarot) or am I mistaken? I'd appreciate clarification

I believe you're right. The death card is for Scorpio and the Chariot Card is for Cancer.
 
 
solid~liquid onwards
12:45 / 11.10.02
I blame Marilyn Manson, not for this I just blame him.

i blame slipknot... manson dont liek t3h b00msticks
 
 
FatherDog
13:52 / 11.10.02
****
"Death doesn't necessarily mean, like...well, death, does it? It can mean other things."
"I suppose so. A tarot card showing a skeleton with a scythe, mowing down kings and commoners alike can be interpreted in any number of ways by people who don't dare accept it at face value."
****

Of course, the reading was pertaining to Dane and King Mob, and took place right before a point where they did not, in fact, die; but there's several acts of change and rebirth.

Even if the /characters/ didn't accept the traditional interpretation of the Death card, it seems like the story did.
 
 
NewPickettywitch
14:24 / 11.10.02
Well, I am here in the midst of all this and it's all over our news and amazingly, so far, there hasn't been any witchhunt-type situation. It's 11.15 am on Friday in Virginia and during the night was another shooting somewhat North of here in a town called Fredericksburg. The main highway up to Washington, DC, known as I-95, is closed off, making for one hell of a traffic backup, which my wife is in right now. The deck used was Rider-Waite. So far, that's the only card found at any one of these shooting sites. The back of the card apparently, has the written message. There is a split between some thinking that the sniper left this card, or that it may have been left by someone else as a joke. Clues have narrowed down the suspect to being a single white male over 20, and in a white Chevrolet Astro van with ladders (as a painter would use) on the top. I have a feeling, though, that the 'occult' backlash, caused by the presence of the card and the nearness of Halloween, will follow shortly though. I live in an area filled with Wiccans (including my wife), and magicians/pagans of various stripes (I am a former Temple of Set member).... and that still doesn't mean we're in any kind of position to be taken seriously , media-wise. This is redneck, Republican, Fundamentalist Christian country, despite all the signs that there's Progress on occasion...
 
 
adamswish
16:00 / 11.10.02
I've never been called a "would be the assumption of only a logical literalist would take", I'll take it as a compliment until I can get to a dictionary.

Of course the other view could be that the sniper is a fan of vietnam movies and gone one better that leaving the ace of spades as his calling cards, as in "Apocalypse Now" (and probably others).

What would be cool (in a sick, consipracy way for some one several hundred [if not thousand] miles away to see) is if the sniper used a card that reflected the victim.

Apologies if that seems overly repugnant.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
16:20 / 11.10.02
probably just got a shitload of Death's, the unimaginative bugger..

See? It is that Live & Let Die deck! Roger Moore already bought all the Lovers cards, so he has to make do with Death...

I spose it's better than being known as the "four of Wands marksman", though...
 
 
Anathema
04:45 / 13.10.02
What it really means:

http://www.satiresearch.com/go.asp?sid=6255
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
05:09 / 13.10.02
When I first heard about this, I wondered if God was going to hold a press conference to declare that he was innocent and had proof that he was nowhere near the shootings...

And while most Tarot interpretation books say that the Death card means change and transformation, in my mind Death is Death...and he's using it the same way an inexperienced D&D player would, by the obvious symbolism and having nothing to do with the innate power of the symbol itself.

My thought on the whole thing is that:

Since our popular culture has become so enamored of Serial Killers, could this be a case of a serial killer who is SO classic in a literary sense that he was created by the fascination? We want to get our minds off of Iraq and Terrorism, we have manifested a movie monster either psychologically or spiritually? He strikes at random, using a method to taunt the police, the victims seem to be chosen randomly but there is a geographic connection to it all. It almost seems like a case right out of a book about a profiler to me.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
09:11 / 13.10.02
What if youre not giving the guy enough credit? Maybe he knows just as well the meaning of the death card as you do, and is trying to say something along the lines that he's "changing" something, or through his action is providing an obstacle. If that is the case, and he is actually very adapt with the Tarot, then you've probably hurt his feelings.
 
 
penitentvandal
10:00 / 13.10.02
Awww...Did we hurt the widdle sniper-baby's feelings? Did we make the widdle sniper-baby cry? What nasty men we are...

Thoughts:

- 'The Sniper', in a strange way, actually sounds like a Tarot card in itself. Imagine that: a Qlipothic tarot made up of modern archetypes of fear: The Sniper, The Terrorist, The Paedophile...It sounds pretty cool, in an awful, Filth kind of way.

- it does seem like a movie, doesn't it? Taunting the police, the vague 'occult' connection, the eerie, deathly sexiness of the sniper rifle as murder weapon (cf. Leon, any other film about assassins). All this after last September, and the terribly cinematic destruction of the Towers and the Pentagon. Strange days, indeed. Also interesting to note that all this seril killer hoo-ha is taking place at around the same time as the opening of the Red Dragon remake, but I'll chalk that one up to coincidence.

- the lack of a witch-hunt, IMHO, is a result of two things. One, the sniper has only left one tarot card: if he was leaving different, significant cards at each site, the anti-magic brigade would be in a frenzy immediately. But he's not. It seems a one-off, random thing. There's even doubt as to whether this was the sniper at all, and not some copycat, like the guy who made the Yorkshire Ripper tapes.
Secondly, the method of killing is too cold and clinical to really get people scared enough to start talking about occult explanations. Something like the Jack the Ripper murders, with lots of blood and gore, is needed to really excite the darker corners of the human mind.

- having said that, though, it must also be said that, in the view of at least one man, the sniper is, indeed, a magickal figure. 'The sniper's bullet is an extension of his eye. He kills with injurious vision.' - Jim Morrison

- finally: if he really does know anything about the tarot, then there's one thing I want to know - which way up was the card where he left it? Is there any indication of whether it was upright or reversed? Because that could tell us more...
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
13:59 / 14.10.02
I guess the question is, upright in relation to what? I really wonder if perhaps he could have somehow been signalling which direction he was travelling, or otherwise dropping an obscure hint of his intent or reasoning. Hell, we don't even know if he wrote I AM GOD on the card's face or back, do we?

Anyone been working on a sigil to arse up his luck? I figger he's in for some magickal retribution right about now.
 
  

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