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Castaneda and Magick

 
  

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Wrecks City-Zen
22:56 / 15.11.02
Hi all.

I feel absolutly terrible for neglecting this thread for as long as I have. It started off innocent enough, with the recount of our tale of power from May Tricks and myself, the tale of our journey to Arizona and Mexico.

So what happened?

Honestly, a few things.

First, I feel like I hijacked an excellent thread that was covering alot of ground in the field of toltec sorcery/ nagualism. Something I have really, really wanted to see here for a long time. If that was the case and I stopped the thread dead with the story, I honestly apologize, that was not my intention. Thing is, it is an excellent tale, full of reference points to what we are speaking of, and we really wanted to share it, but perhaps I should have started a new thread.

Then, Magick ended up being in the spotlight for a while, and my reluctance to post a personal revelation like this, crept up again.

I do want to finish this tale,

the question of course is, do you still want to hear it?

Re:XXX
 
 
TheFoolofChaos
00:28 / 17.11.02
Please continue this fine tale!
 
 
Sebastian
02:23 / 17.11.02
Just act like a warrior and tell the goddam story.

...

YEAH!!
 
 
ciarconn
03:05 / 17.11.02
Uh, is this a matter of personal importance, on shich it expects to be told "yeah, we wanna hear it"?
Anyway, find a way to tell the story as a warrior working, not from the ego
 
 
Sebastian
14:57 / 17.11.02
I feel absolutly terrible
I feel like
I hijacked an excellent thread
Something I have really, really wanted to see here for a long time.
I stopped the thread dead with the story
I honestly apologize
that was not my intention
I should have started a new thread
my reluctance to post
I do want to finish


Rex, I count about seven or eight Rexes in the above discourse, which does not at all mean you are a multiple personality split but rather highlights the fact that we normally operate through different selves seemingly merged into one but which become uncovered through language under each "I" that observes another "I".

In any case, every self that looms within us is a rightfull being just as any human being you can think of, and they all share one thing in common: they want to love and be loved, each in its own particular way, and it doesn't matter how that way appears through the eyes of another self or human being, all of them, as you know, are perceptors, and, to them and us, everything is perceiving. So, yes, Rex, we love you, all of you, and you can all love indeed, there is place in the universe for all of you, us, and our emotions. Ultimately, we are perceptors. We crave to perceive. Then we die. We switch our perceptual stand. Simply, because we can not not perceive. Grab that, and you are free, just as free as the old and new and all ages sorcerers were looking for.

So, after that cheap shrink-like intervention, just move on and feel free to write that goddamn story whenever the stars tell you to do so.

Either that or Ciarconn and me will be back with a prescription.
 
 
Sebastian
13:03 / 02.12.02
While we await for the, uhmm..., lets say, this thread's longly heralded sequel, I wanted to point attention to the so called Jinns, entities of muslim lore, and the impressive parallels with the "castanedian" allies or inorganics, which are most overtly exposed and talked about in Castaneda's book The Art of Dreaming [transcript].

Derived from a web source recently brought to attention of the board by May Tricks -another warrior-journeyer of the magii board and also contributor to our, ahem, un-concluded report-, the Jinns, from Angels, Men, and Jinns , not only have had their eventual legal place in century-old islamic jurisprudence, but are also privileged to have a fair and interesting consensus from muslims on whatever they eventually "are" and most definitely on what they can do. According to "all the Muslim written and traditional sources that I [Gordon Creighton] have been able to consult over the past 15 years", the Jinns

[...] are not visible to ordinary human sight,
are capable of materializing and appearing in the physical world,
can change shape,
are able also to appear in the guise of ANIMALS,
are inveterate liars and deceivers,
are addicted to the abduction or kidnapping of humans
delight in tempting humans into sexual intercourse and liaisons with them
wont to snatch up humans and teleport or transport them, [...]

and also

[...]there have been a few particular human beings who, through some strange favour, have "been in league with the JINNS" or "had a compact with the JINNS" -- to such a degree that the JINNS have endowed them with what we regard as "preternatural powers" -- ie., PSYCHIC POWERS.
These humans have consequently become known as wonder-workers, soothsayers, and MAGICIANS. (Either "white magicians" or "black magicians", depending of course upon what sort of JINNS they were in league with.) [...]

Of interest to the general magickian practitioner, and regardless of the multiplicity of cross relations with nearly every account of "other-wordly" visitation throughout human history, and considering this could have been posted in any other thread here about entities, it was the fairly well outlined description of the Jinns that I related to the discussions about inorganic beings in the Castaneda books.

A simple web-search on Jinns has suggested me that the topic by itself may very well deserve its own thread here.

[...]Along with all these displays of prowess by the JINNS there goes, finally, a tremendous TELEPATHIC POWER and the ability (to use an age-old term) to "CAST A GLAMOUR" over their human victims. [...]
 
 
Papess
13:52 / 02.12.02
Uhm, that was rather interesting Sebastian. Are those links supposed to work that way?

Nice to see you around and posting Sebastian. Missed you!
 
 
ciarconn
23:14 / 02.12.02
I had always understood, that in neoshaminc/castanedian terms, most astral/psychic abstract entities are interpretated as different types of inorganics, that are somehow, chained, or take advantage of, the faith and beliefs of the humas (and probably feed off them).

An interesting point of analisis derived from this conception, is how do we come to understand demonic pacts. Is it a deal with your flyer? Or entirely a different inorgainc? There's no soul to sell in the Castanedian paradigm, so, what do you loose? I somehow thought that the pact with the allies was somehow paralel to this.

Cheers, anyhow
 
 
Papess
01:00 / 03.12.02
An interesting point of analisis derived from this conception, is how do we come to understand demonic pacts. Is it a deal with your flyer? Or entirely a different inorgainc? There's no soul to sell in the Castanedian paradigm, so, what do you loose? I somehow thought that the pact with the allies was somehow paralel to this.~ciarconn

When we invest our energy into anything, be it a religon, a person, an ideal, a job, we give it energy. I believe, that essentially, we are making pacts with "the devil" all the time, as we negotiate our way through this world. That is just me though - or maybe not.

I would have to say, in the Castenadian paradigm it would be considered to be a waste of energy to make unnecessary pacts with anyone or anything. Of course, the remedy for having wasted or spent energy is to recapitulate. This is important to do since we cannot escape using our energy, we have to reclaim it and relinquish it to the Eagle.
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
20:43 / 03.12.02
we are making pacts with "the devil" all the time, as we negotiate our way through this world...

I would agree with that statement, May. To deal with the Devil is to interact with the material world.

ps- I get the point Seb.(LOL)
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
22:27 / 10.12.02
A YANQUI WAY OF KNOWLEDGE

Continued...

Things were becoming increasingly tense between May and myself. There was an incredible love between us, but athe same time, an equal ammount of distrust. We were strangers in a strange land, and becoming stranger and stranger to each other. May was becoming increasingly paranoid and her erratic behavior and lack of communication was driving beyond aggitation. I was so on edge the whole time, suspecting the worst, and the half sentences and innuendos were driving me batty. So much for non-attatchment.

As May stated previous, Yep, we made it to Nogales, the border town featured very prominently in the Castaneda series. we found that God forsaken bench, and at the time, it felt like the Holy Grail. We sat staring at the church and the mass of Mexicans sitting on the steps.It may seem like a minor accomplishment but it meant the world to us.

To expand on May's version of event's,we crossed the border both times without ever showing our identification, which we both found very odd. From the moment we walked across the border to Mexico, the anomalies increased. The prostitute signaling me and calling me by name, trying to entice me to follow her. In hindsight, I should have gone, but out of respect to May, I declined. She chastised me for it afterwards.

We were totally straight at the time BTW. We then went to the pool hall she mentioned, where I was approached buy a few different people, all of whom knew my name.I found this so wierd that I had to get out of Mexico.Now.

Back at the hotel.The superbowl was the next day so we made plans of how to get back and what to do next.

Sunday morning.

We pulled into the Tuscon bus terminal. I remarked to May that this was the spot where a young anthropologist named Carlos Castaneda first met the infamous brujo. We both looked around. Downtown Tuscon was totally deserted. I mean empty. I half expected to see a lone ball of tumbleweed come rolling by.

With 2 and a half hours to kill, we decided to grap a bite at a nearby restaurant, beside the bus terminal. I was engrossed in the Salvador Dali prints hanging on the walls of what would be the stereotypical western saloon. They were the most magnificent things I had ever seen, as this was my first encounter with the surrealist.

"What can I get for you folks?" the waitress who had silently approached the table asked us. We placed our orders and asked her; "Why is it so quiet in this town?" We were baffled.The waitress wrote it off to the Superbowl, which seemed like a fair enough assesment of the situation.

Once the bill was paid, we realized we still had an hour and a bit before our connecting bus to Tempe. The two of us decided to go on the hunt for the "ally" (the green one,Puffnpass).As we walked the streets of "Tombstone, Arizona", we were amazed to see an empty city everywhere we went. It was about half an hour before we found anyone out and about.

I summoned my courage and asked him if he knew the where abouts of the ally.

"Stoner Park" the stranger said. The easiest and most picturesque way to describe the stranger would be "Hyde, from that 70's show. After some directions, we were on our way.

"Stoner park" was about 15 minutes from the bus station. on approach, we say the sign reading STONE PARK, with an R painted at the end of STONE.This place was the most active spot in all of Tuscon. From barren city streets to a park with about 40 people in it, all sitting on the grass.

"Wierd" I thought aloud.

We walked a little way, then, to my surprise, the same fellow who had reccomended the park to us was there sitting on a blanket with 2 "scruffy" older men. He looked like he had been there for awhile and was totally oblivious to our presence.

I summoned up my courage and asked the smaller of the 2 men if he knew where the ally was.

He smiled a partialy toothed grin. " Sure do son! "

I beamed from ear to ear.

The man continued to smile. "You're in TOO STONED, Arizona. Of course we can find it.!"

May and I sighed a sigh of relief. When I turned to thank the man who had directed us to the park, he was missing from the spot on the grass between the two men.I never saw him leave...

"Well, sit down!" the smaller one said. We obeyed. " You two have come a long way eh? Toronto?"

We nodded. I looked at May. She stared.I think she was in shock.

"This here is John Little"he said motioning to the stockier taller one " and I am John Henry. We can go places others can't!"

A huge smile came over both of them. I clutched May's hand. Not for my own fear, but to stop her from running off on me.Two johns? John Little I recalled was Little John and I was sure John Henry was another fiction character.

"Welcome to Too Stone, Arizona. Let's go." John Henry lead the way.
 
 
Sebastian
11:12 / 11.12.02
Whoa...

Thanks Rex. Yummy. I guess it was not that easy to write this chapter.
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
20:54 / 11.12.02
I hope the tale is not moving too slow... I am going to great extents to remember every possible detail in order to receive more perspectives on what occoured. ( It has also provided me with a great oppourtunity to recapitulate... thanks for pushing)

The action is just about to pick up. From this point forward, it all went beyond absurd coincidences to real interactions with power.

Rex
 
 
ciarconn
21:55 / 13.12.02
Just follow the rythm of the spirit, that's what counts
 
 
Baz Auckland
15:42 / 21.08.03
...um... and then?
 
  

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