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Liger Null
15:46 / 22.03.07
Am I the only person for whom the pirates bit was the BEST bit of the comic? Don't get me wrong, I love the whole thing, it's one of my favourite comics ever, but Tales Of The Black Freighter actually made me want to live in a world where pirate horror comics were more prevalent than superhero ones.

I agree. Add one more to the small but worthy minority. That rhyme about "The cabin boy's grown haggard, so in the pot he goes..." still creeps me out.
 
 
Ticker
16:03 / 22.03.07
One of my pals pointed out the movie would be great if looks specificly at super hero movies being crap cheese rather than the grim stuff.

I maybe overlooking this link w/Zack Snyder upthread but I didn't see it. Sorry if I'm being re-dud-ant.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:00 / 22.03.07
I think Randy managed to say what I was struggling to.
 
 
CameronStewart
23:45 / 21.05.07
Aaaaaand according to AICN, the role of Jon Osterman, Doctor Manhattan, has been offered to....







.....wait for it....










....Keanu fucking Reeves.

They claim the studio has put money on the table, so it's an even shot that Reeves will be up there on screen.

Also Jude Law as Ozymandias.

I mean what the FUCK
 
 
This Sunday
00:02 / 22.05.07
Comedian: I'm the goddammed Comedian!

Manhattan: Whoa!

And then the Wagner and mise en scene stealing.

This movie will make me like the comic, just because the comic won't be this movie. Maybe Gilliam can do the Black Freighter bits as a separate, possibly limited-animation film, with some Moore narration. I'd pay for that.

Actually, that's my big props to the comic; it's entirely locked into being a comic, and that's a hard thing, and admirable thing, to do.

Maybe it'll work for the non-comics-fan viewers, though. They don't know what to expect out of any of the characters, after all.
 
 
FinderWolf
01:16 / 22.05.07
Jude Law would be a great Ozzy.

Patrick Wilson's not really frumpy enough for Nite Owl...maybe he'll put on weight.

Why in God's name would anyone ever think of Keanu for Dr. Manhattan, though? The mind boggles....seriously... I mean SERIOUSLY. Hopefully it will conflict with his rumored role in the Wachowski Bros. SPEED RACER movie. The comics/filmmaking gods won't let this happen. They won't let Keanu play Doc. NYC. Have faith.
 
 
osymandus
08:02 / 22.05.07
Vaccious , staring , non human expressions . And actually very good and not saying anything .

I though that was Reeves ? SOunds like a master piece of casting
As long as he dosnt play Openhimer we should be fine.
 
 
Mug Chum
09:43 / 22.05.07
I'm baffled. I actually have absolutely no arguments against osymandus' post.

Wait. I believe... Keanu... can be... Manhattan. What's happening...? How did I go from "well I wouldn't even refute him since these two would never-ever even come close in my mind's eye" to "yeah, it actually makes sense".

Jude Law would be great for Ozy. But isn't Ozy kinda in his 40-50's? Cruise was rumored to have interest for the part too, and I think it's sort of a perfect match actually (as long as he doesn't make his trademark run -- but he would, in the secretary shooting scene or some 5 other scenes).

Somehow Nite Owl I can picture a lot of actors I see as match: John Cusack, Kevin Spacey, Tim Robbins, even a fatter Kevin Kline...

And if Simon Pegg is actually being considered as Rorsharch, then... my God. That's somehow far more bizarre than Reeves' offer.

Gerard Butler is listed on IMDB as rumored for the film. The closest I can see him is as Comedian, but even then... Ian McShane from Deadwood would be a hell of a Comedian -- just tell him, "Swearegen is now a super military hero in Vietnam, just without the iambic pentameter, the 'cocksuckers' is ok".

But, it'll still be a movie. Even if it had 4 hours... I don't think the comic is all that, but the good stuff wouldn't quite make it to the media. Is it really that far fetched to make it as a HBO show or something?

(again): And Zack Snyder? Really?
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
14:31 / 22.05.07
Yeah, I'm kind of in the boat of Keanu could actually do Manhattan perfectly. It's a cold, unemotional, inhuman, indifferent role.. he just has to stare around and say lines as monotone as possible and not look like he gives a shit about anything.

Jude Law is perfect. No idea who Patrick Wilson is, but I'm disappointed Nite Owl won't be John Cusack... I've always thought that was perfect casting.
 
 
CameronStewart
14:50 / 22.05.07
I suppose the arguments for Keanu make sense....I just have such a strong antipathy for him as an actor that his presence taints my opinion of anything he's involved in.

Jude Law as Ozymandias and Wilson as Nite Owl are a bit... young, no? Watchmen is about middle-aged superheroes, midlife crisis in capes. I thought it would have been sensible to restrict the age of the actors to 40+. I guess it's easier to do makeup to age them for the scenes in the present, and no makeup for the flashbacks...
 
 
CameronStewart
14:58 / 22.05.07
>>>Cruise was rumored to have interest for the part too, and I think it's sort of a perfect match actually<<<

I had a discussion with a guy I met in, of all places, a hostel in Barcelona, about Watchmen casting, and when he said flatly that there should be no other actor than Tom Cruise to play Ozymandias, I thought he was nuts. But listening to him explain his reasoning, Cruise's megastardom mixed with that smug arrogance and hubris and tinged with lunacy, I came around to his thinking. I think it would work.
 
 
haus of fraser
15:08 / 22.05.07
Maybe Gilliam can do the Black Freighter bits as a separate, possibly limited-animation film, with some Moore narration. I'd pay for that.

Fuck Gilliam- he hasn't made a good film since 12 Monkeys and hasn't made a great film since The Fisher King- and that was 20 years ago. Don't get me wrong Brazil is possibly my all time favourite movie- but that was a long, long time ago - i stopped believing after the remarkably average Fear and Loathing....
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:18 / 22.05.07
Yeah, I'm kind of in the boat of Keanu could actually do Manhattan perfectly. It's a cold, unemotional, inhuman, indifferent role..

On those levels, yes, Keanu could work. It's the level where Doc M always seems to know more than those around him that I think may be problematic. Keanu is good at confused. He does confused very well. This is why he was perfect in A Scanner Darkly. Look at the Matrix movies- in the first one he was great- he just had to look good and look like he didn't really know what was going on. In the second and third, when he was supposed to be wise, well, he just kind of sucked.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
15:34 / 22.05.07
There's a difference between being cold and detached and being a fucking awful actor.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
17:53 / 22.05.07
I always thought Tim Robbins would make an awesome Doctor Manhattan. He'd have to hit the gym a bit, maybe, but he's got the stature and when he does the hundred-mile blank stare he can be positively alien and scary as heck.

But we're past the fancasting stage, aren't we?
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
18:22 / 22.05.07
The question is, will Keanu be the pre-mutation scientist AND the big blue demi-god? I could see him as the Before and a CGI blue man as the After, voiced by Keanu with some fancy digital processing.

If they expect to paint his body blue and shave his head and go "yup, that does that, high fives all around" I will be an unhappy nerd.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
18:37 / 22.05.07
Stoat and Bacterial... points well taken. Perhaps I'm just nerd-blind cause this move is actually happening and I want it to be good.

Tim Robbins would make an excellent Doc Manhattan! Oh well.

It seems likely that Gerard Butler will be The Comedian and that doesn't bother me a whole lot, although I've seen a few other fan that were good (Ian McShane). So who out of the big cast are we missing?

Silk Spectre... hmm... probably gonna be Jolie or something. Which, might actually work, but I'm hoping they pull out a really surprising choice.

Rorschach... I love the Giovanni Ribisi suggestion someone made...

Hmm...racking my brain. Who am I forgetting?
 
 
COBRAnomicon!
18:48 / 22.05.07
Ian McShane from Deadwood would be a hell of a Comedian -- just tell him, "Swearegen is now a super military hero in Vietnam, just without the iambic pentameter, the 'cocksuckers' is ok".

My god, that would change my attitude towards this movie from weary contempt to hot, sweaty excitement.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
19:16 / 22.05.07
If they expect to paint his body blue and shave his head and go "yup, that does that, high fives all around" I will be an unhappy nerd.

I suspect that he'll remain in his America-friendly "black vinyl Y-fronts" look (already a Snyder specialty!) rather than exposing the young'uns to copious shots of Keanu's Matrix Warrior.
 
 
Mug Chum
21:43 / 22.05.07
It'll be awful if Manhattan's not naked. The whole "only Superman in the world" thing is really helped by the fact that he's pretty much a sci-fi alien disconected and unashamed Quantum Adam.

And now I don't think Keanu could be good. There's a difference between tragic inhuman and looking dumb, confused and high (not that someone high doesn't perceive himself otherwise, but still).

edit: Cam, you explained Cruise's matching qualities that were in my head better than I could ever hope to accomplish.
 
 
Triplets
21:48 / 22.05.07
It just disturbs me that Keanu consistently lands parts where he has control over large portions of reality.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
21:55 / 22.05.07
Tom Cruise for Ozymandius is perfect.

Keanu for Doc Manhattan is awful. You're supposed to believe that he sees the world from a level higher than the viewer does. I don't think Keanu even looks as though he understands he's being expected to act. Denzel Washington would be better, though they'd have to get someone else to play him pre-transformation. (Or, I suppose, just change it.)

Mike McShane's good for The Comedian, though I always saw him as Mel Gibson.

Silk Spectre - for the original, Cybill Shephard. For the modern, scarcely matters - Jolie would be fine. Winslet could do a good job.

But Rorshach is the problem. Where do you get an ugly actor to lead a hollywood movie from? Where's Steve Buccemi these days?
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
21:59 / 22.05.07
Mike McShane would be great as The Comedian! Get Greg Proops as Nite Owl, Colin Mochrie as Dr Manhattan, and Josie Lawrence as Silk Spectre, get them to improvise the whole thing.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
22:35 / 22.05.07
Christ. I thought a tiny part of the whole raison d'the fuck with Barbelith was a healthy scepticism about the idea of sacred texts?

It's a Hollywood adaptation of Watchmen. None of you matter. They do not care about you. They will strip the meat off thew carcass, and hopefully we'll get 140 minutes of classy nonsensical sooper-heeroe movie out of them. Otherwise, forget about it. And you're embarrassing yourselves.

Oh, and the idea of Watchmen being translated into any other medium is stupid on a really basic level., Dupre, you reactionary twat. Do you not edit your posts in your head for conservative geekiness before you hit POST REPLY? Stupid question, of course you don't. You're E. Randy Dupre, Jack Fear's mini-me. Of course you don't.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
23:30 / 22.05.07
...Zack?
 
 
FinderWolf
23:58 / 22.05.07
>> And if Simon Pegg is actually being considered as Rorsharch, then...

Pegg has expressed interest in the role and I'm sure he has enough clout to translate that interest at least into some meetings with Sndyer & Co.

I would like Mel Gibson as the Comedian, but that's just me.

Jude is about 35, and I don't really see the need for Ozy to be in his 40s. Ozy is more about 'golden wonder boy genius superstar who is at least over 30' to me than 'golden wonderboy ...etc. who is 40'.

All we can hope for, really, is that it's pretty good, I think.
 
 
Jack Fear
00:50 / 23.05.07
Hellbunny, I think I can safely say that I speak for E. Randy Dupre as well as myself when I say EAT MY FUCK YOU CHOWDERHEADED FUNWRECKING BLOWHARD.
 
 
Corey Waits
01:27 / 23.05.07
But Rorshach is the problem. Where do you get an ugly actor to lead a hollywood movie from? Where's Steve Buccemi these days?

I think Buscemi would need to bulk up a little bit*, but otherwise he'd be perfect. Fucking perfect.



*I know Rorschach is meant to be a bit of a runt, but he still needs to look like he could do some damage in a fight, Buscemi doesn't have that IMO.
 
 
Seth
01:50 / 23.05.07
Oh, and the idea of Watchmen being translated into any other medium is stupid on a really basic level., Dupre, you reactionary twat.

That's a bit harsh. Randy has already qualified this in his post that stated that superheroes define the medium of Western comics in a way that they don't with the medium of movies. The quote of his that you put in bold just seems like an overstatement, not intrinsically wrongheaded.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
02:02 / 23.05.07
Oh, well fuck. Now that I know I'm just embarrassing myself I suppose I'll stop talking critically about anything. Fuck man, my eyes haven't been opened this wide since Matrix Warrior.
 
 
Saint Keggers
02:03 / 23.05.07
Dan Acroyd as Nite Owl, and if he can act...oh dear god I cant believe Im saying this...Carrot Top as Rorschach.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
02:17 / 23.05.07
Rorshach
 
 
Alex's Grandma
02:29 / 23.05.07
None of you matter. They do not care about you. They will strip the meat off thew carcass

While I take your point HB, is this actually true as it applies to 'Watchmen', what with it being the holy grail of comics, and so on? As with the new Batman movie, I suppose The Man will be planning on using the internet fairly heavily as a part of His marketing strategy, so I imagine the last thing He'll want is the likes of Harry Knowles, or you, or me, (well all right, possibly He doesn't mind about that)posting page after page on the subject of what a disaster the thing's turned out to be. Just because it would be bad for business, you know?

So, newly self-appointed as a tastemaking type, I think the following;

Jude Law's too boyish for the role, and probably always will be - he'd be better as Kovacs.

That Keanu Reeves is problematic as Dr Manhattan, but it's an almost impossible role to cast - whoever's playing the part would have to be to be in A1 shape physically (although I suspect there's no way we're actually going to see his part, as it were - I keel myself) and look blandly ideal as a face/body-type as he floats about the place, and, and deliver the lines with a certain amount of gravitas. I'm guessing they're focusing on the look, and hoping that Reeves can be coached on the rest. Stranger things have happened, and, given that Dr Manhattan has to be played by someone vaguely A-list, who doesn't look too odd (Geoffrey Rush, for example, would be all wrong in this context, and Brad Pitt's too goofy) I don't know who else The Man might usefully pick.

That while John Cusack might well be an ideal as Nite Owl, I can see why he wouldn't necessarily take that as a compliment. What about Christian Bale? He doesn't seem to mind about doing ... things to his body, so he might be happy enough to grow himself the relevant paunch.

That Ian McShane (who had a wild time in the sixties that he doesn't like to talk about, running around with Sylvia Krystel, etc, being crazy) would be excellent as the Comedian.

The point is that the producers are listening. Not to me in particular, maybe (although I find that hard to believe) but to the internet in general!

And, as Bruce Willis once said, nobody ever sets out to make a bad movie.
 
 
iamus
09:01 / 23.05.07
Except Uwe Boll.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
09:28 / 23.05.07
Yes, all right, apart from him.
 
  

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