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Sax
07:37 / 26.10.01
Probably file "under things that will never happen", but this report claims David Hayter is on board
http://www.comingsoon.net/cgi-bin/archive/fullnews.cgi?newsid1004073998,55779,
 
 
CameronStewart
11:47 / 26.10.01
Terry Gilliam gave up on trying to adapt WATCHMEN because he didn't think it could be done without significantly altering the story and excising everything that made the book great.

So if an extraordinarily talented filmmaker with a large body of work can't do it, what makes a novice - whose only real experience in filmmaking is contributing a few lines of dialogue to the X-Men script - think he can?

I hope it never happens - I don't think I could bear sitting through another FROM HELL...
 
 
tSuibhne
11:56 / 26.10.01
Even Moore himself (in that Onion article that's floating around) has said that not only is Watchmen undoable, but he's not really interested in anyone trying.

I've got to go with Cameron. If any director on the planet could pull it off it would have been Gilliam. The fact that he's shelved the project means it just can't be done. I hope this guy realizes how much shit he's going to get for doing this.
 
 
tSuibhne
12:01 / 26.10.01
Funny thought. Since people seem to want to do Watchmen. It would be interesting to see Moore write the script, EXACTLY as he wants it done. And then get a new contract that says it must be done that way or not at all.

I know would never happen. But, could you imagen a hollywood director trying to handle an Alan Moore script? I just remember seeing the script for From Hell where the script for the first page (which has no words) is like two pages long. And tells Eddie EXACTLY what to draw. How many artists have left a Moore project midway because they just couldn't handle him anymore?

And now back to your reguliar insanity
 
 
DaveBCooper
12:21 / 26.10.01
The question “How many artists have left a Moore project midway because they just couldn't handle him anymore?” was posed by I Am…

… as far as I know, only two artists have left a project like this, and both on Big Numbers (Bill Sienkiewicz and Al Columbia).

Offhand, I can’t think of any others (though I’m more than open to correction). Alan Moore’s scripts are notoriously long, but I’d guess that many artists would be willing to accept this to work with him…would any artists out there agree with that proposition ?

And as for the Watchmen film, if it’s ever made it will of necessity lose much of what made it so great a piece of work, so why bother ? I’d love to see a Watchmen film ‘done right’, but that’s such a difficult (and inevitably subjective, when it comes to issues such as casting) goal, that I’d rather they didn’t even try – and the general word on ‘From Hell’ (unseen by me) about the disparity between the source material and the film seems to demonstrate why.

DBC
 
 
reidcourchie
12:27 / 26.10.01
Why do you all think it would be so difficult?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
12:38 / 26.10.01
coz terry gilliam said it was.

personally, I reckon it'd be piss easy.

rory
 
 
DaveBCooper
12:43 / 26.10.01
I think it would be difficult because, amongst other things, Moore and Gibbons used a large number of narrative devices which were pretty much exclusive to comics – or, certainly, most effective in the medium.

Examples of this would be the overlapping of dialogue and scenes, the prevalence of flashbacks (almost every other chapter of the original work), the use of similar panels for scene transitions from page to page (‘match shots’ are very clever if used occasionally in films, but might look more than slightly gimmicky if used consistently throughout a feature-length film), the use of parallel plotlines and imagery (the pirate story echoing the mental state of one of the characters, though you only really understand that at the end of the story), the background detail about the airships and electric cars (and how they came to be so common), and so many other things like that. And practical issues like casting and special effects.

And that, I fear, would be for starters.

DBC

(Edited for a couple of typos)

[ 26-10-2001: Message edited by: DaveBCooper ]
 
 
The Strobe
12:45 / 26.10.01
David Hayter.

Hmn.

He did an OK job of X-Men... based heavily on someone elses script, mind you.

But I think we all need to be reminded that David Hayter also did the voicework for Solid Snake in Metal Gear Solid, and thus needs to be shot. Gruff and tough my arse.

No, my arse is not gruff. Or tough.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
12:46 / 26.10.01
You realise that if there's a will to do it then things like 'staying true to the original' go flying out the window and you get the story of how Jack the Ripper gets turned into Doctor Manhatten and travels in time to save the world?
 
 
The Damned Yankee
13:23 / 26.10.01
Moore has gone on record (at Salon, I think) saying that he wants neither "credit nor blame" for From Hell. Sensibly, I think, he acknowledges that comics and movies are two wildly different media, despite superficial resemblances. I think that he would take the same stance for a Watchmen movie.

I shudder to think what would happen to the story after it goes through the Hollywood process.

The presence of ambiguity in the plot would be the first casualty, I think. Watchmen would necessitate a big budget, and to accomodate that, the makers would want the broadest appeal possible. That would mean making things more black and white than is healthy for the original story. Examples: Rorshcach's psychosis, the awful things the Comedian did in the government's service, the transformation of Veidt into a more conventional villain . . . hell, they probably would even change the entire ending (a massive body count in New York? Oh, that'll fly with Joe Six-Pack!).

Of course, this is all speculation. But it would follow the familiar comic-to-movie pattern (example: read the first mini-series of The Mask and then watch the Jim Carrey movie; compare body counts).
 
 
deja_vroom
13:38 / 26.10.01
one day it's gonna happen, it's inevitable, i think. and it will suck oh so much...
 
 
tSuibhne
14:23 / 26.10.01
I remember hearing something somewhere that Gilliam was thinking about a miniseries on HBO or Showtime. I'm sure that's been scrapped, but I think that would be the only way to really pull it off. There's just way to much going on in the book for a 2 hour film.

Though, Moore himself puts in best in the recent onion article quote:There are things that can't be achieved either by literature or by movies or by paintings. Just like any art form, it's got things that it alone can do. I think that this is probably what Terry Gilliam ultimately came to agree with me on, regarding Watchmen. I think that as he tried to prepare a script for it, he realized just how much of the texture and content and nuance of the original was going to have to be chopped out. I think that he does still occasionally, every couple of interviews, talk wistfully about how maybe the next film might be Watchmen. I don't think it's gonna happen, and I think that it's generally for the reasons Terry himself has given, that it would simply lose too much translating it from one medium to another.
 
 
Tamayyurt
15:26 / 26.10.01
so in light of all this...What hopes do you have for an Invisibles movie?
 
 
tSuibhne
15:57 / 26.10.01
With Grant doing the script? Could be fun, but won't be the series. I think it would be best if it was a kind of "further adventerous of..." kind of thing.

If Grant doesn't do the script? It'll likely be crap.

The difference is that The Invisibles is not a closed, self contained kind of story like Watchmen was. The Invisibles might have been concieved as a limited run. But, it could have easily been an ongoing series. Watchmen though is a closed story with a begining, middle, and end (more or less) And so a movie version MUST be the story in and of itself. Anything else would be pointless.

Another way of putting it is, would you see a movie that used the Watchmen charecters, but wasn't the acctual Watchmen story? Now, what if it was the Invisble charecters, in a story that wasn't done in the comic?

I see where you're going with the question. But, a movie has much more leverage with the Invisibles, then it would ever have with Watchmen.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
16:51 / 26.10.01
Sam Hamm (Batman scriptwriter) wrote a script about a decade ago which (I think) Dave Gibbons loved... I think a miniseries along the lines of The Stand is the way to go. Or maybe a series of 'anime' stylee vids. I'd love to see that, if done properly... The former idea could also have potential.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
20:10 / 26.10.01
the problem is all the info inbetween chapters, the bit from Masons book, the Dr Manhatten info and such, would be lost, and i think its part of what made it great

the back story on the pirate comics fer instance, think i misquoted that in a paper for a media class once...
 
 
Captain Zoom
09:06 / 27.10.01
Recently on the Alan Moore Fan Site:

Watchmen film development?

The folks over at Comics2Film spoke with producer Lloyd Levin (Tomb Raider, Mystery Men) about the various comic book movie projects in the works with Lawrence Gordon Productions (Hellboy in particular). One film mentioned was WATCHMEN.

Although WATCHMEN has been in development seemingly forever, Levin hinted that it may move forward at some point. "I can't say anything about that at the moment, but there is something happening with it. We're definitely not giving up on WATCHMEN." [Sept. 13, 2001]

Zoom.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
12:14 / 27.10.01
Mystery Men? Tomb Raider? Why, with a pedigree like that, how could his Watchmen be anything other than stellar? </sarcasm>
 
 
01
17:12 / 27.10.01
Never mind Watchmen. They should leave it be.
Invisibles? On one hand I'd say leave it alone as well, but on another I'd like to see the entire "Invisibles/Barblelith-inhalent-cybergame-unfolding-onto-the-next-level-thing-super-context-thing" really unfold and upgrade itself into the next dimension of moving pictures. After that psychic transmission complete with deep immersion sensory integration.

And the Dark Knight dammit. They can make a viable Dark Knight movie that:
a. tells a damn good story that doesn't drag the original through the mud.
b. has all of the dark futristic techno gadgetry and feel of the comic. Digital = good.
c. Make it (ugggg) commercially viable without taking out the grit of the original. Just ask any 12 year old with an Eminem shirt.
 
 
Sandy Haired Bruce Wayne
03:23 / 28.10.01
There was an episode of the Animated Batman show that had a segment based on The Dark Knight Returns. It was brilliant. Great Dick Sprang segment, too.
 
 
Ria
09:23 / 29.10.01
quote:Originally posted by DaveBCooper:
… as far as I know, only two artists have left a project like this, and both on Big Numbers (Bill Sienkiewicz and Al Columbia).


I do not have a copy in front of me to consult but that over-simplifies the circumstances as far as Al Columbia or to put another way I cannot remember if he literally quit but it does make a convoluted tale as told in Alec: How to be An Artist by Eddie Campbell.
 
 
Madoshi Grey
09:33 / 29.10.01
I think an invisibles movie would mostly likely be something like the short Morrison did for Winter's Edge, related but not related at the same time. I kind of doubt he'd just try doing a straight out adaption.
 
 
reidcourchie
07:07 / 31.10.01
Originally posted by DaveBCooper
"I think it would be difficult because, amongst other things, Moore and Gibbons used a large number of narrative devices which were pretty much exclusive to comics – or, certainly, most effective in the medium.
Examples of this would be the overlapping of dialogue and scenes, the prevalence of flashbacks (almost every other chapter of the original work), the use of similar panels for scene transitions from page to page (‘match shots’ are very clever if used occasionally in films, but might look more than slightly gimmicky if used consistently throughout a feature-length film), the use of parallel plotlines and imagery (the pirate story echoing the mental state of one of the characters, though you only really understand that at the end of the story), the background detail about the airships and electric cars (and how they came to be so common), and so many other things like that. And practical issues like casting and special effects."

Overlapping dialogue/scenes is a cinematic technique as is flashbacks very definitly, both work better on film than they do in comics. Similar panels for scene transitions. Far easier to do in film (you even use the word scene, more often connected to film, than comics). The pirate story would be difficult to do and should probably be dropped for a film. As for casting, SFX, that's the same problem any film faces, in terms of sets it would be a lot less complex than say Blade Runner or Judge Dredd and now more than ever the FX are there to do the story.

Narritivly Watchmen isn't that complex. It's a tightly plotted well told story but other than a very good twist at the end it's quite conventional, certainly more conventional than say something like the Usual Suspects. The only problems I can see with the film are it's length and the will to show scenes of carnage on the streets of New York. Technically it's not that problematic and I had always seen it as a very cinematic piece anyway.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
20:47 / 09.11.06

Zack Snyder, who will direct an upcoming film version of Alan Moore's seminal graphic novel Watchmen, told SCI FI Wire that Warner Brothers likes his take on the material, which goes back to the source for its inspiration, closely following the original 1985 setting and alternate-history American mileu in which Richard Nixon is still president. That faithfulness to the graphic novel, which has been famously considered unadaptable to film, ironically, provided the key to unlocking the script, Snyder said.


from Here

Could it be that this will not, in fact, be terrible?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:05 / 09.11.06
Hmm. I'm not holding my breath. But then I was utterly 100% convinced that a remake of Dawn Of The Dead would be shit, and Snyder actually did a pretty good job there.

SO, with "Uwe Boll's making Watchmen" as 1, and "Alan Moore's making Watchmen himself" as 10, this is about 6 or 7, which is the best score we've had yet on my own, personal, just-made-up "Will Watchmen Be Any Good"-ometer.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
22:02 / 09.11.06
Here's a fun game you can play at home! Read this interview with Zack Snyder, count how many times he uses the word 'awesome', then imagine the phone call he'll have with Alan Moore!
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
22:53 / 09.11.06
Even Moore himself (in that Onion article that's floating around) has said that not only is Watchmen undoable, but he's not really interested in anyone trying.

IIRC, Moore's simply not interested in the whole concept of turning comics into movies, and not particularly even in movies as an artform as a whole... i think he's somewhere on record as saying that any of his works being adapted for film is something he doesn't want to have anything to do with...

Even assuming that there is value in such a project (and i agree with Moore that the comic format has its own possibilities that film simply doesn't have, and vice versa), the sheer length of Watchmen would seem to indicate (even to me, and i've never read the whole thing, only odd snippets of it) that it require at least a trilogy of films or a mini-series to do it anything approaching justice...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:39 / 10.11.06
Yeah, I'm fairly sure you couldn't do it properly as a movie... but you could conceivably make a good movie while trying to adapt it.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
10:59 / 10.11.06
At this point, I'd be happy to hear Joel Schumacher was directing a script by Richard Curtis and Ben Elton, to star Tom Hanks, David Walliams and Paris Hilton, and featuring Vinnie Jones as The Comedian. You know, anything to get the film over and done with ...
 
 
Sniv
12:28 / 10.11.06
Are you much of a masochist Alex's Dad? That sounds perversely nasty, like crocodile clips on testicles. Only y'know, without the orgasm at the end.

I always thought that some kind of TV mini-series would be the best way to do Watchmen. Its story and the way focus shifts from character to character would really suit an episodic structure, maybe a 6-parter, with the 'story' and 'flashback' issues merged into one episode. I read once that Moore had planned the orginal series as a 6-ish mini, anyway, and the 'origin' issues were an afterthought to fill space (however great most of them are).

I do kinda hoep that that the pirate story is, if not cut out (becuase I guess we need to know who Shea is), then truncated greatly. Most of the material from the prose sections, like Hollis's book, is much more important than the pirate-comic.
 
 
Hieronymus
21:02 / 09.03.07
So it seems 300's director, Zack Snyder, is crazy enough to try his hand at this film.

Dig the test image at AintItCoolNews.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
22:33 / 09.03.07
i shat my pants.





[not sure if the soundstage bluescreen thing will serve this movie's atmosphere well, but screw it. this image will now haunt me.]
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
15:20 / 12.03.07
The thing about Watchmen is that I'm looking to make a movie that looks more like 'Taxi Driver' than Dick Tracy [laughs]. People bring that up to me 'Is it like 'Dick Tracy?'' because that's colorful. Watchmen as a printed medium references comic books itself. It goes 'Look, I'm a comic book' and you read it, you're like 'You're f***ing blowing my mind!' But that's what it tries to do, it draws you in by being a comic book. I think my responsibility is to draw the audience in by saying 'Look I'm just a movie' and then you get in there and it f***s you up. That's my hope anyway. It is a weird movie. When you see the trailer and you go 'Okay that looks like Richard Nixon. Dude that blue guy is in f***ing Vietnam, what is this?' There's a song you can not put in a Vietnam war movie and it's 'Ride Of the Valkyries' which should not be put it in any movie because of 'Apocalypse Now.' But in 'Watchmen,' you can imagine a sequence in 'Watchmen' where Dr. Manhattan is 100 feet tall stomping through the jungles of Vietnam with Hueys all over him, zapping the Vietcong while 'Ride of the Valkyries' is playing. It is transcendent of itself so you can reference 'Apocalypse Now' and that's okay. It is pop culture.

Dude, Zack Snyder is going to f***ing blow our minds. See our minds? See them? YOU CAN'T. BECAUSE ZACK SNYDER BLEW THEM AND NOW THEY'RE GONE, DRIBBLED INTO A STREET DRAIN LIKE THE BURST STOMACH CONTENTS OF A DEAD DOG.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
15:50 / 12.03.07
That picture of Rorschach actually and literally looks like a sock puppet. It looks more like a big-screen adaptation of Fingerbobs or Button Moon than Watchmen.
 
  

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