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Hieronymus
16:24 / 12.03.07
It's only a test image, I believe. Nothing more legitimate to it than that.
 
 
CameronStewart
16:45 / 12.03.07
I hope they don't go the bluescreen, CGI environment route for Watchmen. Is there really any need to?
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
16:52 / 12.03.07
It's been a long time since I've read it, but arguably some of the exterior zeppelin-laden skies and slightly more fanciful architecture might warrant a bit of virtual studio work. The good Doctor's return from the grave will need some digital effects. CGI would be the shortest path to goal for Rorschach's mask, but I hope they don't use it. I'm visualizing what would happen if you did Rorschach's mask using stop-motion, and that would be awesomely creepy.

Fresh from seeing 300 I'm dreading seeing what Snyder makes of Dr. Manhattan's "weird otherness." Both his big movies to date have been "heroic Westerners against the evil hordes," so I'm not sure how much confidence I have that he can manage any sort of real moral complexity. Still hoping for a pleasant surprise, though.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
17:04 / 12.03.07
Even more excitingly, in an interview with Entertainment Weekly about 300 Frank Miller said

I met Zack Snyder. We met for, it couldn't have been over an hour. It was like we were separated at birth.

Just Imagine Frank Miller's Watchmen.
 
 
Hieronymus
17:18 / 12.03.07
Not difficult. Rorshach would be made a tough guy's hero of heroes instead of the fascist mess he is in the story.

But then again, I'm a bitter monkey.
 
 
CameronStewart
17:19 / 12.03.07
>>>It's been a long time since I've read it, but arguably some of the exterior zeppelin-laden skies and slightly more fanciful architecture might warrant a bit of virtual studio work.<<<

Sure, some tweaking here and there, understandably needed. But I don't think there's the need to do as Sin City and 300 and Sky Captain did, and shoot the entire thing in a blue room. I guess it's cheaper though, so that's a big appeal to the money men...
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:35 / 12.03.07
We met for, it couldn't have been over an hour. It was like we were separated at birth.

I don't, admittedly, know very much about how Hollywood directors work with regard to the original creative talent, but it does sound as if Snyder possibly couldn't wait to get out of the room, especially if Frank started going on about the situation in the Middle East.

I'd guess that after 'Lost' and 'Heroes', even more than the recent adaptations of established (in the wider media sense) Marvel and DC properties, this is probably going to get made now.

They're obviously going to have to take huge liberties with the story, (although hopefully not with Mr R's costume - all right, he's very much the kind of superhero Tom Waits might have come up with, but he still ought to look a bit better than that ... ) but as long as they don't try to fit too much in, it could well be all right
 
 
matthew.
19:40 / 12.03.07
Apparently they're keeping the pirate stuff in there. Which, to me, is not completely necessary to enjoying the book as a whole. It's kind of like the Nausicaa scene in Ulysses: enjoyable, relates to the larger themes, but we could have done without them.

So if Snyder's throwing in the pirates, what do you think they'll be throwing out in order to make room?

Um...
moral ambivalence?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:03 / 12.03.07
Apparently they're keeping the pirate stuff in there.

Mm. Well that would have been the first thing to go, if it was up to me. I was never too sure about the point of it in the series, given the amount of space it filled up; the thing about Alan Moore is that he can go on a bit - if you're going to adapt his work successfully for the cinema then you have to edit it ruthlessly, I'd have thought. Which doesn't seem like an imposssible task. 'V For Vendetta' was ... well it was only all right, but that was largely because the Matrix brothers seemed to be into the idea of, hopelessly, adding their own ideas. Had they just left the basic plot, key speeches and so on, as were, and cut down on the back story, it would have worked.

'From Hell' is unfilmable, but I'm not sure if 'Watchmen' necessarily is. It needs a certain amount of money thrown at it, but then that's hardly unreasonable in the current climate; all you'd have to do is focus on the main players. As far as possible, I'd get rid of the Fifties characters, the Comedian and the Silk Spectre excepted, which wouldn't be that hard, they could be black ops figures in the Vietnam war, or whatever; the 'ordinary people' would be the next thing to go - they were tiring in the original, they'd be worse on the screen, and after a certain amount of tidying up with regard to the alien bomb, and the artistes involved (again, this could be cut down, dramatically), you'd be left with a perfectly decent script for a two to three hour film.

Which, with good actors, the right marketing and director, and the correct sensibility, could quite conceivably be this generation's 'Apocolypse Now'.

I dare say I'm not holding my breath, though.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:58 / 12.03.07
But then again I'm not not, either.
 
 
This Sunday
18:49 / 13.03.07
And if some long-dead-now feller hadn't had the sense to keep those Nausica scenes in, we would never have Miyazaki's 'Nausica'. I'm looking forward to Snyder's Pirates more than I am Corporate Blondie Genius Man versus The Owl and the Pusscat.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
18:54 / 13.03.07
Just Imagine Frank Miller's Watchmen.

Ick.

Even moreso than an overabundance of greenscreen, I'm worried about this machismo quotient. Watchmen needs to be done as a mystery... Taking two current movies, it should be more Zodiac than 300.
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
12:37 / 14.03.07
I absolutely refuse to watch any movie of the "Watchmen". Not even if Moore himself directs it.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
12:51 / 14.03.07
High five, brother!
 
 
Sibelian 2.0
08:47 / 17.03.07
Palms CONNECT, dude.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:42 / 17.03.07
Am I the only person for whom the pirates bit was the BEST bit of the comic? Don't get me wrong, I love the whole thing, it's one of my favourite comics ever, but Tales Of The Black Freighter actually made me want to live in a world where pirate horror comics were more prevalent than superhero ones.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
17:59 / 17.03.07
I'm sure Alan Moore thinks the pirates bit was great too, so you're probably in a small but worthy minority.
 
 
petervogeljr
00:15 / 18.03.07
Sorry to say, I would also chuck the pirate sequences. Other than the obvious notion of inescapable fate, they don't do much for me. More of an in-joke for comic book writers, saying, "Hey, if superheroes were real, what would comics be about?" I'd say cut it.
 
 
matthew.
01:07 / 18.03.07
Do we at Barbelith have a consensus that Watchmen is over-rated? (Just like we think Gaiman is over-rated) Do we as a board only slightly enjoy Watchmen?

If so, revoke my membership cause I fucking love Watchmen.

(I love Moore's Swamp Thing more, but whatever)
 
 
Spatula Clarke
01:08 / 18.03.07
Pretty substantial bit of world-building tied up in the pirate comic, though.

The idea of Watchmen being translated into any other medium is stupid on a really basic level.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
02:45 / 18.03.07
The idea of Watchmen being translated into any other medium is stupid on a really basic level.

You have a point, sir. That said, Cronenberg did a bloody good job of making Naked Lunch into a movie. What he did was to make a film about the same shit the book was about, rather than try to put the book onscreen. Book and film were coming to the same point from different angles, really.

Not sure if that technique would work here, but never say never. I agree that it seems pointless. Watchmen works because it uses comic tropes, it uses and reworks comic cliches, it's ALL ABOUT COMICS. To make it work as a film you'd have to come at it from an entirely different perspective- it'd have to be about movie tropes, movie cliches, and be ALL ABOUT MOVIES*. In which case it'd be an entirely different story. Probably one which didn't involve superheroes, what with them not being a dominant theme in movies. Which would certainly shift the emphasis somewhat...



*It'd probably be The Unforgiven, wouuldn't it? Which would not be a bad thing, really.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
09:52 / 18.03.07
Unforgiven, or The Unforgiven? Unforgiven is maybe all about Westerns, not movies. Maybe Watchmen should be all about superhero movies.
 
 
matthew.
11:26 / 18.03.07
Kind of like the screenplay for The French Lieutenant's Woman was about acting and mirrors and duality, rather than what the book was about which was... god knows, really.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
12:05 / 18.03.07
The French Lieutenant's Woman was kind of "about" 19th century literature, I feel.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
12:46 / 18.03.07
Apparently, they're planning on filming the pirate material, but only for inclusion on the DVD.

Which makes a certain amount of sense, I suppose.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:47 / 18.03.07
...and thus uniquely suited to the medium of the novel; whereas the film version was uniquely suited to film. Trying to make a film about 19th century literature... well, it's the old dancing-about-architecture problem, isn't it?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:48 / 18.03.07
Unforgiven is maybe all about Westerns, not movies. Maybe Watchmen should be all about superhero movies.

That's kind of what I was getting at- Unforgiven is about Westerns, because Westerns are one of the primal genres in cinema in the same way that superheroes are in comics. There aren't enough superhero movies to make it worth doing a film "about" them.
 
 
Dead Megatron
14:52 / 18.03.07
excellent point, Stoatie, but the number of super-hero movies is increasing rapidly.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
16:18 / 18.03.07
Funnily enough, a guy down the pub last week offered me a dodgy copy of the Watchmen film ~ I think it just had the pirate scenes.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
16:19 / 18.03.07
Someone else has probably already done that, haven't they.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:57 / 19.03.07
but the number of super-hero movies is increasing rapidly

True, but it's still not of the most established genres in the medium's history in the same way that Westerns are.
 
 
Benny the Ball
17:49 / 19.03.07
I also think that the rules aren't as established as other genre's. I can't think of a long line of films that fit specifically into the Superhero's genre. Maybe Spider-man is the closest thing to fiting in the mold, and that's only 2 nearly 3 episodes long.
 
 
grant
18:31 / 19.03.07
"Look, up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane!..."

There were all kinds of superheroes in the cinemas (and on the radios) at the same time they were tromping around the Golden Age comics.

I think Westerns were probably easier to do well for technical reasons, early on, but still, the superheroes were there from the start.
 
 
Benny the Ball
18:45 / 19.03.07
the films have been there, but the genre is very loose - it's very much a spin on established genre's. It's only more recently that they have been "comic" films in the genre sense.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:15 / 19.03.07
It's not just that the superhero thing is perhaps a better established genre in comics than it is in film, though. It's that the superhero genre, whether you like it or not, defines comics. That's why it was easy for Moore to examine the medium by playing about with the genre, and why it won't work in film. It'll be a film, and it might be a decent one, but it's inevitable that it's going to be missing the point of the series in a fairly mahoosive way.
 
  

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