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Spatula Clarke
09:44 / 01.08.01
I'd like a little more to go on that Daily Mail allegations, frankly.
 
 
Ellis
09:44 / 01.08.01
quote:Originally posted by E Randy Dub It:
I'd like a little more to go on that Daily Mail allegations, frankly.



It does seem like a witch hunt now, digging up his past, (maybe this is Chris' way of dealing with it?) but still, I found it disconcerting that he didn't give evidence.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:44 / 01.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Ellis:
I found it disconcerting that he didn't give evidence.


Point is, you literally cannot believe anything you read in a paper like the Daily Mail. These are the people who claimed Mark 'Sky' Covell, the Indymedia journalist hospitalised by Italian police, was the anarchist mastermind behind the Genoa "riots"... and also turned the fact that prisoners in jail could feasibly have watched and maybe even possibly recorded Brasseye into a front-page headline screaming: JAIL TRADE IN SICK TV SHOW.

Don't.

Don't. Don't. Don't.

Don't Believe The Hype.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
10:06 / 01.08.01
Hmm - but interesting if it is true. Just if. Not naming and shaming could well be because
a) there were plenty of other witnesses
b) he did not want to finger (as it were) people who are probably by now too old/sick/dead for it to be anything but too little, too late (a la Gen Pinochet, ahem)
c) he didn't want to give the media any more sticks to beat him with ("Hypocrite Morris's Schoolboy Buggery Shame")

I know, excuses excuses. Interesting public/private intersection though. But still I say no! Do not destroy my idol, tabloid heathen!
 
 
Jamieon
10:06 / 01.08.01
My Father was abused at his catholic school. It was quite common for "naughty" pupils to be called into the headmaster's office, where they would be told to pull down their pants before and fondled before a spanking was administered. When I asked him if this upset him, he responded with:
"No, not really. It was rather horrid, but it built up camaraderie amongst the boys...."

It's very difficult to ascertain how an individual will respond to sexual abuse - it, like the individuals themselves, comes in all shapes and sizes. The idea that someone should be shocked and disgusted upon experiencing abuse, or being aware of it, is, perhaps, a little too simplistic. I know my Father harbours no ill will towards his abuser, and wouldn't like to see him thrust into the dock. Morris's reactions are his own, and as personal as that. However, this shouldn't mean he can't comment on the broader problem of paedophilia in society.

And, more to the point, the Brasseye special was a satire attacking the culture of hysteria surrounding paedophilia, not paedophilia itself.

Oh, and I would like to contribute something to the Zine, but I don't think it'll be Brasseye related. The whole argument hinged upon the fact that I can't prove my "credentials" (Well, I could, but it would mean that I'd have to start doing stuff like posting up my Mother's contact number at C4 - something which, I'm sure you'll understand, I'm not prepared to do.); and because of this; and because I should really shut my mouth about what I *know* re Brasseye (someone might get into trouble. I don't want the Star "naming and shaming" anyone I care about, thankyou very much.); and because I find the whole "debate" rather irritating, I'm probably going to have to sit this one out.

Sorry.
 
 
Saveloy
10:21 / 01.08.01
Runt, how about your post on page 3 of this thread that starts "Well, well... Look at the furore this'ns provoked," which was about the wider issues raised by the BES and the media reaction, rather than the "do they/don't they" argument? I thought it was excellent, and could probably stand up as an essay as it is, with few if any changes.
 
 
deletia
10:25 / 01.08.01
So hang on - was Morris Victim of Noncery himself?

And if so, does that make it more or less outrageous and shocking that he made a program which trivilised it?

Damn, it's hard having tabloid morality.
 
 
Jamieon
10:47 / 01.08.01
quote: Runt, how about your post on page 3 of this thread that starts "Well, well... Look at the furore this'ns provoked," which was about the wider issues raised by the BES and the media reaction, rather than the "do they/don't they" argument? I thought it was excellent, and could probably stand up as an essay as it is, with few if any changes.

Thanks, Sav. Err, yeah... if Tom wants to put it up there he's perfectly welcome to. I don't think it's all that good myself, but I certainly couldn't be bothered to write another one. So Tom, if you like it, take it and do what thou wilt.... and stuff.
 
 
Ms Lauren
11:09 / 01.08.01
It's delayed ... but Angel - it took a lot of guts to write that post. I know you don't want sympathy - just - Power to you girl.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:16 / 01.08.01
Going back to Angel's point, I remember us discussing Jam nearer the time and I understand why you had problems with it. Although I do laugh at the show I do agree that it is a bit forced because of the fact that there is no explicit morality in place (though there is a case to argue about whether there should be). However, if the same joke appeared in Brass Eye I would have less of a problem, because there is a clear morality in place, even if the show were pretending to endorse it. It's all about the Benj- context.

(Without wishing to belittle what you said I want to make clear)
 
 
Jamieon
18:50 / 01.08.01
Alright, I'm going to tidy up the post and add a new slant to it, then I'm gonna submit it as an article for the zine.
 
 
Stephen
07:11 / 02.08.01
I never thought Jam was really supposed to be funny, not in the same sense that 'The Day Today' was at any rate. It seemed more like Morris was presenting all of societies worst nightmares in the context of a comedy sketch show, and thereby forcing the audience to question their habitual responses to it.

It seemed more about making people uncomfortable with the material they were laughing at, making them complicit in the horror of it, rather than providing them with light entertainment.

In the few episodes I saw, there was almost an element of contempt towards the audience. As if he was trying to provoke a Naked Lunch reaction, as in the moment when you realise what's on the end of your fork, the moment when you realise you're laughing at something that is really not funny.

I didnt see the recent Brass Eye, but from what I can gather it seems that the programme might have been working along similar lines. Presenting deeply disturbing material as 'comedy' and forcing people to question what they're finding so funny about it. Maybe.
 
 
Stephen
12:24 / 02.08.01
So does anyone know if there was any truth to the rumours about Chris Morris being interviewed by Paxman this evening?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
07:27 / 03.08.01
Turned out to be false. Damn.

And who else saw last nights BE, 'Moral Decline'? Excellent bit of timing I thought as it had Morris' most Paxman-like performance of conetempt, and he attitude to those 'phoning in'..., "Your calls have been described and piss-poor and staggering ill-informed. Keep them coming in..." You might have though C4 had planned it this way...

But the Sutcliffe sketch seemed shorter than the script I remember seeing on the 'Cook'd and Bomb'd' site. Have C4 shown the entire thing?
 
 
Ellis
07:33 / 03.08.01
I thought last nights episode was the best ever, I actually woke my parents laughing during the Noel Edmonds sketch. (Although I think they should have asked more celebs for their opinions).
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
21:59 / 12.08.01
The subject that will not die...

Brass Eye reported to the Police...

The most important thing is a 10 question quiz to make sure the person who reported it has actually seen the thing and is not relying on either hearsay or the Daily Mail...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
10:59 / 13.08.01
quote:Both Channel 4 and the ITC also said recently they had received hundreds of letters of support for the show.

I'm guessing that the complaint is about the "Would this be considered obscene?" section, simply because I can't see anything else in the programme that could cause a legal complaint to be taken even semi-seriously.
 
 
Not Here Still
17:07 / 13.08.01
from the BBC site:

The police spokeswoman told BBC News Online: "The Metropolitan Police Service has received a complaint from a member of the public in connection with the matter.

"We are liaising with the Crown Prosecution Service to determine what, if any, further action is necessary."

It is a piece of piss to get coppers to say things like this. You get someone to complain, the police confirm they have complained, and you have got your story.

I've kept quiet about Brass Eye, because I am one of those celebrated people who didn't see the show. But the predictable media furore is making me sick. It's the kind of lazy, fucking hypocritical journalism that is giving reporters a bad name.

And it has happened before in Wales, although for once that wasn't a reporter, but a misguided civil rights group.

See this piece for the story. I think the investigation is still ongoing, like their Prescott investigation.

Does anyone want to write to the PPC and/or report the Mail and the Star to the police for their titillating pictures of teenage girls?
And then let every other paper know?
 
 
Not Here Still
17:10 / 13.08.01
Oh, and good on yer, yer wee jobby...
 
 
Ellis
17:16 / 13.08.01
Ah... So it is ok to praise something you have not seen, but it is wrong to criticise it... Ah.... Ah... Consider the lilly...
 
 
The Puck
00:02 / 14.08.01
i got the impression that morris only made such a contriversial show is to collect the reaction and relase another speical about media reaction, theres certianly enough mateiral.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
10:28 / 14.08.01
quote:Originally posted by Ellis:
Ah... So it is ok to praise something you have not seen,


But that was not what Billy was saying, he was saying there was nothing fundamentally wrong with making the program, he didn't say whether he thought the program was good or crap.
 
 
Lazlo Woodbine [some call me Laz]
11:03 / 14.08.01
Just gonna jump right in here and say my piece on this, Morris won't make a special on media reaction, because that was the special on Media reaction.
 
 
Not Here Still
16:27 / 14.08.01
Sorry, I was just heading out when I linked the Connolly story and it may have needed a bit more explanation than 'Good on You.'

I was basically pleased that Billy Connolly - not the most radical firebrand these days - was willing to put his balls on the line and defend other people's right to do things.

My reading of it was pretty much like The Ungodly's - that he was taking a stance of 'I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.' And, especially with tyrannical daily Mail motherfuckers baying for blood, that takes balls.

The way I see it, Connolly was defending a basic principle - 'no issue should be off limits to comedians' - rather than the programme itself. And fair play to him for that. You could also have a look at Mark Steel's piece on it all for another view.

As he says:

It shows the low esteem in which comedy is held in this country, that the question can be asked as to whether certain subjects are "too serious" for humour. No one would ask a playwright or a songwriter whether it was in bad taste to write a play or song about child abuse or murder. The point is not whether a subject can be covered by comedy, but how it is covered.

(edited for very poor quality spelling)

[ 14-08-2001: Message edited by: JB again ]
 
 
Spatula Clarke
00:28 / 15.08.01
quote:
It shows the low esteem in which comedy is held in this country, that the question can be asked as to whether certain subjects are "too serious" for humour. No one would ask a playwright or a songwriter whether it was in bad taste to write a play or song about child abuse or murder.

Not true at all. There have certainly been songs that have stirred up similar (although, admittedly, not as intense) press and 'moral majority' outcry. More accurate to say that it shows what a reactionary, shallow, idiotic response can be expected for an artist working in any medium in this country, should SHe dare to explore taboo subjects.

[ 15-08-2001: Message edited by: E. Randy Dupre ]
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
10:59 / 24.08.01
Ha ha! Twats!
School retracts Brass Eye accusation
 
 
Lazlo Woodbine [some call me Laz]
14:10 / 24.08.01
quote:Originally posted by The Ungodly Lozt and Found Office:
Ha ha! Twats!


I second that!
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
14:16 / 26.08.01
Can I third it?
 
 
Ellis
17:02 / 26.08.01
Only if I can forth it.

Or is that fourth it?
 
 
DaveBCooper
07:13 / 28.08.01
I rang the Mail on Friday afternoon to ask them if they'd be printing a retraction or correction.
"Not unless he asks us to," came the reply.
"Well, he's saying that it's not true," I replied.
"Well, we won't be publishing a retraction unless he asks us to," he reiterated, more forcefully.
"Oh, well. I'll be speaking with him later on this afternoon, and I'll get him to call you about it," I lied.
"Er -" came the reply.

Incidentally, I rang the Mail about the headline 'Sickest TV Show Ever' to ask why they hadn't covered the story until over a day after the BE Special had aired. The answer was that they didn't know what the reaction would be... so, bandwagon-jumping as opposed to taking a moral stance, then.
Not surprising, sure, but amusing to hear it admitted out loud.

DBC
 
  

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