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DOCTOR WHO! SEASON...um.....thirtyone (No Spoilers)

 
  

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iamus
19:03 / 03.07.10
I want to, but for some reason it won't boot on this mac architecture, even though it should. It ran really slow on another PC I tried. Will run fine on my studio PC, but I've not had the time yet to play them on that. Intend to soon though.
 
 
■
21:07 / 03.07.10
Controls are indeed dreadful, but that was a fun few hours. It had the right flavour and I spent a good few minutes admiring through the window Skaro in the acid rain. Incredibly linear, but I quite liked that. Mind you, the collectables is a weird idea. Not that it stopped me trying to find them all.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:50 / 04.07.10
I've heard some less than positive comments elsewhere - stealth sections, 'connect the wires' puzzles and, generally, a lack of Doctor Who-ness in the interactive elements. I'll give them a crack eventually, but right now I'm snowed under with other games.

Will post a proper reply later, iamus, but one thing that I've kept meaning to say about the final episode is about the scene when the Doctor is inside the Pandorica, giving his final little speech to Amy before he launches into the heart of the Tardis-sun. I don't know if it's make-up or lighting, or even an accident, but there's something about the look of that entire scene that makes Smith look every day of his 900-odd years (or whatever it is). The acting is the major part of it, of course, but his face is all kinds of worn out and tired. It really made that scene, for me.
 
 
iamus
12:34 / 04.07.10
Yeah. That scene is electrifying and I totally agree. There's a really pale dead light on him and it totally does feel like 900odd years of history are catching up/coming to an end.

There's also a really grandfatherly feeling to the sleeping Amelia scene too with the 'silly old Doctor' stuff. And I love the way that when he disappears into the cracks it's done just through shadow.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:07 / 04.07.10
I'm so glad this is the only active thread on this board now, because the lack of a quote button sticks out like a sore thumb when you regularly spend your online time elsewhere.

I think you've got a tendancy to get caught on the little bits of annoyance and let them spoil your good times.

That's fair comment - it's something others have picked up on before and it's something I'm painfully aware of. I think when I go into something that I'm hoping / have been led to believe is going to be excellent, I can't just switch off and get sucked into it. There's also an element, though, of stupid things sticking out like sore thumbs when they're surrounded by lots of amazing things, and that's very much been the case with this season.

Ultimately, I think Smith's acting - and Gillen's, to a lesser extent (still significantly better than series 2 & 3 Piper, and Agyeman, mind) - and Moffat's ideas and scripts deserved better than the direction, budget and music that made them into a television show. And the scripts by certain other writers. Amy's Choice was pretty poor, all told, and I've gone from cautiously looking forwards to a new Gatiss episode to dreading the thought of another one.

It's also depressing, if inevitable, that a lot of the legacy elements of RTD's time as script editor remains in place.

Cybus Cybermen are and always were rubbish - it's to be hoped that the old-school fist pump performed by the one at the end of The Pandorica Opens is an indication that we're returning to the loopy megalomaniacs of the old show, although the fact that he kept the "delete" catchphrase suggests otherwise. Just make them say "excellent" again and I'll be able to live with the idea.

The constant use of present day Earth as the location for stories and plots that are primarily about the Doctor or his companions, rather than the Doctor and his companions flitting around the universe solving *other* people's troubles, really *are* just a lazy way to present with a sci fi/fantasy show. Moffat's ideas have been great, on the whole, but he's set a standard that the other writers blatnatly failed to live up to.

Ah. This wasn't going to be another rant. I just think it needs either new people beyond the cast and script editor - new directors, a new composer, new writers - or Moffat needs to take a tighter hold on the parts of the show that he's probably been slightly hands-off with. He at least needs to give the other existing writers more direction than just the basic idea of, say, "Daleks in WWII" or whatever, because they simply don't appear to be able to pack as much into an episode as he can.

Back to the last episode, I think I came away from it slightly less blown away than I had been while watching because the final scene struck a bum note, played out like none of the events prior to it had taken place. There were other bits when the pace was lost, too - when the Doctor sends his final 'geronimo', the excitement and sadness of the moment leaked away by having the camera look at Amy looking towards the sky, apparently emotionless, when we should have cut straight back to the Doctor in the Pandorica.

See? Little things. I don't think they ruined it for me - I've just come back from watching the second half of the series with somebody who'd recorded them and not got around to seeing them until today, and I had a blast - but I can't watch New Who and think of it as more than an unusually decent BBC TV show.

Whereas with something like, say, Deadwood, or Mad Men, I'm completely subsumed by the events on the screen, to the extent that there's effectively no screen between me and those events. It's like the difference between a good book - entertaining, but easy to get distracted by other things while reading - and a great book, where the words on the page disappear, bypass your eyes and paint their pictures directly on your brain.

That's what I want Who to do. British television hasn't been able to do that for fucking years, so I don't think it's too much to ask of it now. Especially when it comes close, but falls due to the traditional ineptitude or amateurishness of a few involved parties.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:08 / 04.07.10
Or, to put it another way, "Whoops, I didn't mean to have a rant. Anyway, here's some more".
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:13 / 04.07.10
Oh, and I was going to mention some things I'd like to see next series:

The destruction of the Cybus Cybermen and the reinstatement of OG Cybermen. That's if the Cybermen have to be present at all.

No Daleks.

No Davros. Please don't let the voice of the Silence be Davros.

More of the Tardis. What about all the other rooms it supposedly has? Seriously, New Tardis, as flashy as it is, doesn't have half the sense of space of the one from the TV movie, which is about the only time that I can recall that it actually felt bigger on the inside than the outside, as a viewer.

A story set inside the Tardis. That could be great and I don't think it's ever been done before. Well, apart from the aforementioned TV movie.

Alien aliens. Humanoid aliens were boring when Star Trek: TNG was doing them, they're beyond passe now.

Alien planets.

The Doctor and companions sneaking off, having saved the day, while the people they've saved are still celebrating and before they've noticed their disappearance. Tom Baker-style.

A promise that Smith will be signing on for at least one more series afterwards.
 
 
A fall of geckos
21:33 / 04.07.10
No Daleks.

You're unlikely to see that I'm afraid. Supposedly the contract that the BBC negotiated with the Terry Nation estate stipulates that they have to feature in at least one episode per season - hence the slightly out of place Dalek in Waters of Mars.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
23:54 / 04.07.10
You're kidding. No wonder all the stories featuring them since the first series have been drivel, then - who'd want to be forced into writing something that's already been done to death?

Quite honestly, I'd sooner no Daleks ever again than Daleks every bloody year. Given enough time, the biggest threat they'll pose to humanity is death by irritation.
 
 
Billuccho!
02:44 / 06.07.10
I'm pretty sure that "Nation Estate bylaw" is fanmade bunk. They put the Daleks in every year because kids like Daleks, and the toys sell.
 
 
astrojax69
03:12 / 14.07.10
and for next series, can we have some other planets - like, is earth the only thing in the universe??
 
 
Dead Megatron
10:21 / 14.07.10
Not to mention that Great Britain is the only place on Earth...
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:40 / 14.07.10
Is it our fault aliens always choose to invade us?
 
 
Char Aina
17:04 / 14.07.10
Yes. Yes it is.
 
 
Poke it with a stick
17:53 / 14.07.10
Anyone have any opinion on this year's Christmas stunt casting?

I mean to say, Catherine Jenkins?

Oh dear.
 
 
Mistoffelees
06:42 / 15.07.10
Never heard of her. M.I.A. is probably too expensive by now.
 
 
Triplets
17:05 / 17.07.10
MIA?
 
 
■
17:40 / 17.07.10
MIA. And I reckon Paper Planes would be good music for operating the Tardis console.
 
 
Poke it with a stick
12:07 / 24.07.10
Something a little less thrown-together for those of you disappointed by the reasonably dire standard of tie-in novels?

Michael Moorcock's Who novel available for pre-order
 
 
Spatula Clarke
17:23 / 08.09.10
So, yeah. You know how the Peter Pan & Wendy thing this last series seemed clever?

It's significantly less so when you've listened to Neverland, the finale to Big Finish's second series of Eighth Doctor audio plays, in which the Doctor's companion says she's had a great time, but he's basically Peter Pan to her Wendy, and at some point Wendy has to grow up.

This is also a series which features as its recurring theme a rip in the web of Time, which itself is focused on said companion. Sound familiar?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
14:42 / 10.10.10
Christ. Michael Moorcock, on form, is a talented writer; what set of circumstances have reduced him to this?
 
 
Evil Scientist
21:37 / 15.10.10
The Beeb have said they're going to ignore the "Twelve Regenerations" rule. Quite sensible I feel.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
17:27 / 20.10.10
You think? I'd rather they at least addressed it. I mean, they decided to tie the new series into the existing continuity, which meant they created this problem for themselves. You want the good bits but not the bad bits? Fuck you, Beeb - I want to see how you wriggle out the stupid hole you dug for yourselves thirty-five years back.
 
 
Evil Scientist
21:54 / 20.10.10
Does it really need to be explained? It was always pretty vague (The Time Lords offer The Master a complete set of regenerations as a reward in The Five Doctors).

We know the Time Lords were using any and all "forbidden" weapons during the Time War. Unlocking the number of regens would give them much more durable soldiers.
 
 
Evil Scientist
21:59 / 20.10.10
You want the good bits but not the bad bits? Fuck you, Beeb - I want to see how you wriggle out the stupid hole you dug for yourselves thirty-five years back.

Umm, yeah actually I do. Cut the stupid crap (like the Doctor being half-human thanks to the crappy Eighth Doctor film) and leave the good stuff.

By your rationale people in the next Nolan-directed Batman film should keep asking Bruce Wayne why he doesn't look like Adam West.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:55 / 21.10.10
Not really. The Nolan films don't pretend to have anything to do with the 60s TV series, do they?

That's what I'm saying: Moffat's made the decision to have his series be a progression of the show that started with William Hartnell. Ignore the noise he made about how Matt Smith's Doctor should be considered the first - that simply makes no sense when you watch that first episode and the flashback to all the previous incarnations happens.

I'd have absolutely no issue with continuity being ignored if all continuity was being ignored. Generally speaking, I detest continuity in this kind of thing (see also: why I couldn't give a shit about superhero comics). But this is just rubbish, trying to please the old fans by putting in nods and winks to them, then ignoring one of the big bits because you can't think of a way to deal with it quickly and simply. It's also one of the main reasons *why* I hate continuity.

It's not that vague in the old shows, anyway. Admittedly, it was a later invention (during the fourth Doctor stories), but there was an entire series based on the principle of limited regenerations when the show was going through its most painfully awful period.

I'd also quite like to see it get an in-show explanation, if only so we don't have to put up with terrible fan-wank reasoning from elsewhere. Just tell us what happened to the idea within three minutes of one of the official stories and then let us never speak of it again.

By the way, the above post was a question aimed not at you, but at the BBC and Moffat. In my head, where they answer me.
 
 
Evil Scientist
21:49 / 21.10.10
So you don't think RTD's stuff was a continuation of Classic Who? Even with Daleks that look like Daleks, and the Master, and Time Lords who look like Time Lords, and even an appearance by the Fifth Doctor (Moffat scripted but it was RTD who had final say on whether stories got through or not).

I think it's a bit early to presume they won't cover why there's now unlimited regenerations. Bear in mind the "reveal" is a quick line in the Sarah Jane Adventures. Give them a chance perhaps?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:48 / 22.10.10
No, of course RTD's was also a continuation of the original show. But RTD's not plotting it any longer.

Tbh, I'm not really sure why I'm a bit irritated about the possibility of not covering the regenerations thing, other than because it'd be a bit lazy of them.
 
 
Triplets
22:44 / 07.11.10
They might answer it, they probably will, if only to stop the fanmoans. There's not even been a new episode since that tidbit was announced.

We know the Time Lords were using any and all "forbidden" weapons during the Time War. Unlocking the number of regens would give them much more durable soldiers.

There's a good one. Perhaps the Doctor, investigating a weird temporal beacon, stumbles upon the Infinity Engram within a cache of Timelord doomsday weapons, giving him a "potentially" infinite number of regenerations, or somesuch. It allows the show to go on forever or to allow a final, final, finally final end story ala The Dark Knight Returns. At some point.
 
 
Jack Fear
23:53 / 07.11.10
I've worked the whole thing out, actually.

In my fanfic.
 
 
Mistoffelees
07:59 / 11.11.10
Most people watching the show probably don't know about this conundrum. And as long as it makes money, the BBC will regenerate/clone/timeywimey the Doctor.
 
 
Dead Megatron
17:54 / 12.11.10
They should have dealt with the regeneration limit issue only when the time came (the 13th Doctor) and not "en passant". In fact, the overcoming of aforesaid limit could/should be a major plot in 2016's to 2019's (I'm guessing) seasons...
 
 
e-n
15:30 / 31.01.11
Bit late to the party but did you all catch the Christmas special?

What did you think?

I LOVED it. Getting to see the doctor meddling in someones timestream as the person experienced the changes as well was some truly new wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff that shows moffat knows what he's doing (if you ignore the flying fish but again there's always the old refrain; it isa kids show).
A lot of reviewers have mentioned that Moffat is going for a more fairy tale approach than what has gone before, and this felt like an excellent dark Christmas fariytale.

Does anyone bother with the Mary Jane Adventures? Was Matt Smiths episode worth looking for? (each of the new doctors has been excellent on their own terms now, this could run forever).
 
  

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