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DOCTOR WHO! SEASON...um.....thirtyone (No Spoilers)

 
  

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iamus
14:41 / 31.03.10
Here's a supreme case of wishful thinking, but next to being eight again, Barbelith is the next thing I associate with being excited about Doctor Who. Who's with me on that then?

Me? I'm heading down to the parents house to watch it with my mum. Nobody else nearby is going to quite get it in the same way. I'm very, very excited about this. My love of all things Moffat Who have been well documented, and there's nary a word comes from this man's mouth about the show that I don't agree with.

Loving the new extravagant Tardis interior, which looks as grand and mysterious and potentially labyrinthe as it always should have. Also well intrigued by what I can infer of Amy Pond's character arc (pieced together from episode names and descriptions and little snippits of dialogue I've seen) which sounds as if it's a cut above anything a companion has done before, and like this programme's going to be talking to the kids like kids deserve to be talked to.

I went from being a total squealing fanboy at the start of the RTD run to being a little jaded with it. Mainly in the way that it seemed obvious in the writing and performances that RTD and Tennant knew they were well liked and many episodes became lazily-written exercises in messianic egotism.

The end of Waters of Mars seemed to want to do something with this, but it was all forgotten by The End of Time, which, excepting Sir Cribbinsworth, was a lazily-plotted stinker of a finale, stealing bits and bobs from other shows and movies and turning the whole episode's denouement on a MacGuffin introduced right at its moment of use.


Right now, we have a new Doctor and a new show all over again and I'm just excited.

Who's with me?
 
 
Poke it with a stick
17:22 / 31.03.10
Having seen the clips and heard from both Moffat and the new Doctor, I'm pretty excited, yes.

...the TARDIS looks a little shiny, mind.
 
 
Mistoffelees
07:25 / 01.04.10
I am still tentative but slightly hopeful. The new sidekick better not pull the "I wuv you doctor!" and less melodrama and shameless tearjerkery would also be appreciated.

Did you also hear there is to be a K9 show or was that an April Fool's?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:43 / 01.04.10
Having heard that Moffatt interview on Front Row the other night, an optimist is me.
 
 
iamus
12:20 / 02.04.10
I'm fully convinced that this is going to rule. Moffat has consistently written the stuff that pushes my buttons and displays a thorough knowledge of what makes Who Who. He also sounds pleased as punch in recent interviews, like the front row one, like he knows he's sitting on something brilliant.
 
 
Feverfew
17:59 / 03.04.10
I liked that! I don't have much more constructive to say right now, although the joke about the Post Office made me laugh as much as anything... Also,

Here's a supreme case of wishful thinking, but next to being eight again, Barbelith is the next thing I associate with being excited about Doctor Who. Who's with me on that then?


It's nice to not be alone on this.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:16 / 03.04.10
That was great. There's something about Smith that makes me think of a very young Chris Morris. Which, on the one hand, makes me happy. But on the other, makes me think FUCK! THEY SHOULD HAVE GOT CHRIS MORRIS! HE'D BE PERFECT!!!

Great episode, though. Very good as an intro to a new Doc- at the beginning I was less than impressed, but by the end I liked him. Still unsure, but then, with the exception of Cribbins, I've been unsure and skeptical about EVERY casting decision they've made since Who came back, and they've always pulled it out of the bag.

Put it this way- I feel the same way about Smith now as I did about Tennant after watching HIS debut. And that worked out pretty fucking well.

Thumbs up from me, for sure.
 
 
iamus
00:56 / 04.04.10
Oh, I thought that fucking ruled. Well pleased with everything about that episode except the new titles and title music. The RTD theme never felt quite as alien with its soaring orchestras as the old music did with its pulsing synth work, which really made the thing sound like it was pushing in from another dimension. This seems to have gone further away from that still. That's literally all I have issue with though.


Phwoar! That Steven Moffat's a canny one, eh? Not only was that a pitch perfect introduction to a new Doctor and a new way of doing things, tonally it all just hits the spot for me. How do you please long term fans, Tennant lovers, clear the slate, homage the past and attract new youngsters all at the same time? Well, like that, I think. I say that without doubt, it's the best series opener of any of the series since the program was revived. Previous RTD season openers always left me a bit cold (probably with the exception of Smith and Jones) and they generally got a lot stronger after that. This one jumps in as a clear statement of intent, gets on about its business with pace, and pulls you along after it.

Matt Smith might be my new favourite Doctor. Time will tell, but he really hit the ground running and just effortlessly inhabits that role in a way that makes me a bit jealous. More so than Tennant, who was big and theatrical and embellished (and perfect for the show he was in). Smith just seems to bring something a little more real to all the unreality. Like this is an impossible man who's actually possible.


Moffat's said that Doctor Who at its best makes children out of everyone when you're watching it and he's dead fucking right. One of the things that he does brilliantly is recenter your awareness around all the little things that you wonder and imagine about as a kid, and show you the worlds of potential behind them. That fantastic library that you imagine in your head that grown-ups tell you doesn't exist actually does, and The Doctor is in there. And he needs your help. Those statues you see all about town that never move... as soon as you look away, they're craning their heads towards you with malicious intent. That crack in the wall of your bedroom isn't just a crack, it's the breach point of something big, sinister and unknowable. That door that's always been there, that plays just out of your sight and disappears the moment you turn around. That hides the most terrible secret ever. One that'd devour you if you ever become more aware of it than you already are. It's not the kids that are wrong about this stuff. It's the adults that are too scared to entertain it any more.

And when you're stuck in this place you don't want to be in, where nobody takes your "imagination" seriously and all you've got to look forward to is growing up into that same space of denial and boredom and greyness, The Doctor crashes into your garden when its way past your bedtime and you can't be sure if you're dreaming or not. He's big like an adult, but weird like a kid. He's got a swimming pool in a box. He's loud and gangly and he likes fish-fingers and custard and he doesn't make very much sense at all, but he knows that that crack in your wall is the most serious thing ever, and that you're as smart as you think you are because you won't disregard it, no matter what anyone else says.

Then he's gone. And what he leaves you with is proof that all the maddest stuff in the universe is actually true, and that in fact it's madder than you ever thought was possible. Only he's not around to back you up. And in fact, he's just made that whole problem a million times worse. Now it's not just that you've got a wild imagination and that everybody's telling you you need to grow up. Now, clinging on to those impossible ideas, things you've seen but nobody else has, could actually mean that you're insane.

I loved all that unseen history to Amy Pond and The Raggedy Doctor. I'm really looking forward to finding out more about her because there's so much potential in there and Moffat's the kind of writer who could really come good on it.

He's an incredibly gifted writer. Probably the best on British TV at the moment imho. He pens brilliant, funny, zippy dialogue and creates characters with real, affecting emotional lives to say it all. He has an eye for how to make something very creepy out of something very simple. He writes fantastically structured plots that fold into and out of themselves as they open up, going from incomprehensible to blindingly clever on a plot turn. But really, it's this kind of stuff that sells him for me. Just that kind of wondrous emotional honesty. One that says that logic is great, and can explain almost anything, but the minute you try to use it to explain something away is the minute it becomes absolutely useless.


Now here's a very odd personal diversion that may go some way to explaining my enthusiasm for this program.....

Moffat repeats a beat from a previous story, The Girl In The Fireplace, and it's one that I liked very much first time around, and I'm glad to see it back and properly expanded on. There's a personal reason I reacted so strongly to that episode. About a day previous to that I had just had what is still one if the most intensely personal and affecting dreams I've ever dreamt. Long story short, I fell in love with an incredible angelic woman. We were seperated and reunited many times over a long period and the thing finished with us running hand-in-hand to try and escape the end of the dream fading away all around us. Ran into the Tardis parked in my Primary Six classroom and started it up, only to have it fade out, taking her with it and waking me up. I didn't really move for about an hour after waking, devastated, trying to hold onto it all. But the next day, as it was all fading and I was rationalising the whole thing, I watched that episode, which mirrored, scarily, much of what I'd just been through, even including personal dream-imagery. Suffice to say it hit me like a bit of a kick to the gut. Weird thing is, Steven Moffat episodes since then always seem to contain elements of that dream. Recently I've been training myself in lucid dreaming to look back into that (I taught myself how to fly last month and I'm fucking getting me a Tardis) as she gave me the means to get back to her, only to see the same theme crop back up again in the same TV show.


Now regardless of any of that actually having happened. That feeling is what this show engenders in me anyway. That magical potential. And Moffat, the man now in charge of the show, sees that Doctor Who isn't just a telly program. If that's all it was then it wouldn't still be around after all these years. Doctor Who is one of the greatest characters in British (WORLD!) fiction, because his Tardis is a tool for getting into the head and reigniting imagination.

And he's great company because of it.
 
 
e-n
19:18 / 04.04.10
I was only bloody well in London Friday and had to jet off, missing my first Doctor Who live on BBC telly in years, and this would have been one who's impression of which I would have dearly loved to have brought with me to the pub, to discuss with other strange visitors to British shores.

In short though, I thought it was "aces"!

I've just finished the episode now on the other side of the planet (don't ask, or else..you know.. do) and hopped on here first, so Iamus I am totally with you on the 'lith being the first port of call after an episode airs (same for Lost), however I do ALSOfeel age 8 (& 3/4) right now after watching it.

Having come from "Clash of the Titans earlier with a general feeling of "meh", this episode ignited exactly the childlike (but not child-ISH) glee I wanted from that, and many films, and in spades. All that running, the screwdriver mishaps, figuring out the central "mystery" and putting the world to rights, all done with a flair and lots of hint dropping that made it hard NOT to take this Doctor to heart (Dave, Chris, sling yer hooks).
Fish custard!
Personally I thought this retained the manic-ness of Tennant in full flow but with more of a confidence and threat behind it (20 minutes, no Tardis and no screwdriver, but also no "I'm so sorry"'s) and the fantastic reminder of the protection of this planet warmed my cockles.

I do wonder though how youngsters who haven't been through (minimum) 3 regenerations with the 'lith took it ?
Any one any stories of kids, nephews or nieces watching and what they thought of the new bow tied Doctor?

As usual I severely doubt I'll be able to contribute much to any discussion here apart from general squee-ing but I would like to share two more things:

1) I managed to spook half the people I know in in Kuala Lumpur with a single copy of "Blink", many of whom had never before encountered the desperate scramble for the back of the sofa before (watching 30 years olds do it AFTER you've already seen said episode can be hilarious AND very reassuring that you weren't just a pussy when you watched it on your own from behind the couch and as a result of this (and Jekyll)I have very, very high hopes for the rest of the season. BBC Entertainment (60% New-Who reruns as far as I can tell) is no longer available here so the poor locals will be starved of this genius, something I will need to rectify somehow.


2) While not quite an old fogey yet, watching this I couldn't help but think about how different this would seem to the original creators of Who, or the fans of each different regeneration (we each carry our own Doctor with us), and it makes me a little depressed to think of all the fantastic, ridiculous, lunatic stories & "toys" that will be shared with our children, and our children's children, that we may never get to partake of, and enjoy.
Hopefully they can be as good as this and will list Matt Smith's Doctor as an inspiration for their own works.
Now, I'm off to regenerate...
 
 
e-n
19:21 / 04.04.10
..but before I do, the titles managed to mangle the theme before the "flames" (timeflames?) kicked in.
Don't mes with OUR theme tune Moffat!
 
 
Mono
08:28 / 05.04.10
I feel...mixed about the episode.

Fish custard was great, but the CGI was abysmal, the plot fell a bit flat, and I really felt bashed over the head with the "hints" about the story arc for this season. I expected better plot from Moffatt

On the other hand, the new doctor and companion are looking like they could be the best since the restart, so I'm still totallt looking forward to this season.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:32 / 05.04.10
I was only bloody well in London Friday and had to jet off, missing my first Doctor Who live on BBC telly in years, and this would have been one who's impression of which I would have dearly loved to have brought with me to the pub, to discuss with other strange visitors to British shores.

Funny you should say that- I was in the States over Christmas, and got collared by a really nice guy in a guitar shop who, realising I was English, began enthusing about how great the Christmas Day episode had been! It was like home away from home.
 
 
■
12:40 / 05.04.10
I was so happy with it I watched it twice, and I'm not even sure I want to start getting DVDs this season so I can experience it as it should be at Saturday tea-time (I no longer have the excuse of doing the previews, but they let me make the odd request here and there).

As I said to a friend recently, I feel the same way about Who as Dot Cotton does about Nick. Even though I can rip it to shreds and feel disappointed, I'll still love it, no matter what.

In short, Moffat's really done a great job of slamming together all the best bits of the previous Doctors (mainly Troughton and Pertwee) and borrowed a little bit of proper creepy TV like Sapphire & Steel (in fact, there is a series of S&S which uses the crack in time trope well, just takes about six weeks to do it).

I have a suspicion that the fish creature thing representing prisoner zero was a bit of an afterthought. Would have worked pretty well, if not better, with it being invisible, I reckon. And I have a niggle about the damage resetting clocks to zero could do, but I'll fanwank that one away.

Young Amy was fantastic, but I'm slightly less sure about grown-up Amy, mainly because that accent wobbles around all over the place. Yes, I know Scottish in England, putting on posh but it kept veering down to Dorset for some reason. Apart from that, she's fine.

Loved the way the Doctor did the showdown debrief. One of the main things that annoyed me about Tennant, much as I loved him, was that the grandstanding and RTD's messiah complex grated after a while. "Back here, now"; "is it protected?"; "simply... run" showed a quiet confidence that I've not seen since McCoy's best moments. Also nice to see McGann get a nod at last as canon. The movie was rubbish, but he did a huge amount to keep Big Finish and fandom going, and deserves more recognition.

iamus sums up pretty much everything, so there's no point going over it all again, but one thing I think I will point out is that the boyfriend is a piece of genius. It's a bit like Mickey, yes, but he's being set up beautifully as a villain. Poor sod has been going out with an apparently delusional woman for years, then along comes this lanky streak she's been idolising for all these years and he's real, who takes your vital clue without so much as a thank you. No wonder you'd want to blame him and get her back on side as he does so childishly. Poor sod. Remember that not all fear is about monsters and cracks in walls. That's a fear that a lot of people have: Heathcliff is real and is coming to cuckold you when you least expect it.

Motivation: that's something that RTD never really got his head round. Moffat has nailed it in one with all the characters.

And yay for Annette Crosbie, too. She deserves more work.
 
 
■
13:11 / 05.04.10
Oh, and they unintentionally gave us some background on Amelia. The bear she packs in her suitcase is a Bramwell Brown from Jane Hissey's Old Bear series, which were only ever issued as promotions in 1996 for the tenth anniversary book, Hoot! Consequently, someone in the family must have been a bookseller or publisher. Just my little service to future fan fiction.

(I got one from a rep at the time and flogged it a few years ago for a substantial sum, so he jumped out at me.)
 
 
Spatula Clarke
14:49 / 05.04.10
McGann was already referenced in Family of Blood, cube.

It was pretty great, but, as ever, it had some blatant flaws. The middle - all the bit on the village green, plus all the RTD-style nonsense with the laptop linkup to world powers - sagged like hell and all the pace and atmosphere that had been built up prior to those scenes disappeared. I also found Prisoner Zero a massive waste of potential, and spent most of the time when it was in its alien form wondering what on earth it was supposed to be suspended from,

Also, much dislike for the Amy/boyfriend rubbish, which was basically the Sally/whatsisface relationship from Blink copied and pasted without any alterations other than the accents. That stuff is the worst of Moffat, imo, and it generally tends to intrude into his Who plots in a really annoying fashion. My one fear about his tenure on the show has always been that he'll be inapable of preventing himself from sticking crappy rom-com moments into the episodes, and it's a bit depressing to find that he's still not got the awful bullshit of Coupling out of his system.

Apart from that, the only other niggle I've got is that the direction of the show was all over the place and it was very much three seperate sections rather than one whole episode. The beginning worked excellently as scary fairytale Who, the ending had just about the right kind of impact, but the middle veered uncomfortably far into the territory of light entertainment/BBC sitcom cameo role laziness/RTD childishness, and was saved mainly - possibly entirely - by Smith.

Smith does look like he's got the potential to be fantastic in the role, just so long as he's well-served by the plots, scripts and directors. None of which was ever a given in the past, but hopefully the presence of a new leading actor makes the new team push the quality bar a bit higher than Davies and his people did.
 
 
iamus
17:33 / 05.04.10
w00t w00t! Barbelith Who posse in effect! I miss this place most of all for this stuff. Also, because it has made me do the below.... which I've not been compelled/taken the time to do in an age.


Firstly, I do think that far and away Smith was the light of this episode. He's Tennantish in streaks but has great understated delivery in other areas that really plays with all that dialogue and spins it on its head a bit. It's a much less theatrical performance for a much less melodramatic tone. He looks like an actor who works well with others. The back and forth between him and the (frankly excellent) wee Amelia was brilliant, and perfectly pitched. He's also a gangly big octopod with limbs going places they shouldn't at times. Fucking loved the way he tosses the water over his shoulder and squares Jeff up and down.

Again. Love his delivery. His "Get a girlfriend" to Jeff. His lip-chewing over Rory's imminent phone-bill. His whole rest of the episode from returning from his two-year new Tardis hiccup at the end.


From a writing point of view, I still think it was an incredibly strong opener. Moffat may not be turning out scripts polished to within an inch of their lives in the same way now that he's in a full-on production role and writing six a year, but even at a lower pitch he demonstrates a much sharper and more ingrained sense of structure than RTD ever did. Not because RTD is an inherently worse writer, but his strengths are not in the kind of plots Dr. Who requires.

RTD works much better when characters are at the forefront in a real-world setting. He works much better in a dramatic and conversational mode. His plots involve characters who find themselves alongside situations, going through their own inner dramas before tossing in some anti-plastic that was introduced a couple of scenes ago to kill the monster (there are exceptions).

Moffat paints much better with a metaphorical and mythological brush. His plots generally resolve themselves on the same elements that motor them along. Their setup and execution contain the means of their resolutions. The characters and environments are usually completely integrated parts of the same thing.



Why The Eleventh Hour was great (by iamus. age twenty-seven)...


It starts with Wee Amy's deep disappointment with her life. She sick of where she lives and not being listened to and she's scared about the crack in her wall that nobody takes seriously. Like all kids, she's looking for somebody to show her that it's the real world that's not "real", not the imaginary one. She prays to Santa and The Doctor comes crashing out of her head and into her garden, announcing himself, and igniting her hopes with a non-sequiter about apples. He bundles in, showing her that her imagination is real and promising everything is going to be better from now on. He shows her the world behind the cracks in the walls and that you can be a grown-up and still hold on to being a kid and then even though he promised her he wouldn't, he lets her down just like everyone else, leaving her for twelve years, living with a monster in a secret room that he brought through the wall but didn't give her closure on.

From this point on, pretty much everything that happens in the main thrust of the story either hinges on what we know of who The Doctor is (and why this man with a new face is the same man) or on that relationship between him and Amy, and how that's affected all the other relationships she's had in her life since meeting him.

It really doesn't matter what Prisoner Zero is hanging from, or if he could have done with another month in the digital ovens. In the terms of the emotional content of the story, not a tiny bit of him is wasted. Zero is not an alien from an intergalactic prison. Zero is the emotional residue left over from The Doctor's abandonment of Amy. That's his whole, sole purpose in this story. The dank and dilapidated little room he's been growing in for twelve years, the one that Amy is terrified to look at is the same as the one in her head that four psychiatrists told her to lock and ignore. When the Doctor turns up again, she's well pissed with him, doing all she can to exert dominance over him as a grown-up and sensible figure of authority, and is determined to be the one to face down what's in that room herself.

Amy's not really a policewoman though. She acts out the roles of grown-up and serious professions like policewoman, nurse and nun, but it's only play-acting. It's about kissing. She changes her forms in a playful way. Prisoner Zero changes his forms too. Not for the same reasons.

The mid-story turning point where she tentatively decides to trust The Doctor goes right back to that first non-sequiter when he peers out of the Tardis asking for an apple, turning a kid-friendly joke and comedy routine into the second part of Amy's three-part emotional journey in this episode, where she makes a conscious decision to open her armour a crack and trust him for a little bit to see where it goes.

It goes directly to Rory.

Rory, Amy's boyfriend, has been trying desperately to open this door for years. He's been living in The Doctor's shadow the whole time he's known her ("You made me dress up as him!") and wants to be the guy that can open the door and chase that monster away. He's even in contact with the means to Zero's survival the whole time precisely because he's been living in the Doctor's shadow (he's a nurse).

When Rory finally meets The Doctor, it's so he can have this whole mystery he's piecing together hijacked by the man who's always been two steps ahead of him and even now instinctively knows what the problem he's currently grappling with is all about.

The Doctor goes off to do his big Doctorish boffinish global thing and Amy commandeers her boyfriend. From this point on Rory is only really about driving the car, or holding Amy's phone while she liases with The Doctor and carries out his plans. He's always very much been in awe of Amy and has no idea how to gain agency in their relationship. Especially not now.

So when The Doctor catches back up and Prisoner Zero is finally faced down through the combination of his global and Rory's village-green efforts, what we're really looking at is The Doctor combining all of this to try and finally throw that part of Amy open to the light. That's when Prisoner Zero strips to the root where neither he nor Rory have been allowed.

For all her bluff and anger, no matter what happens when she chooses to trust The Doctor a bit, now she's knocked out and we see who Amy pond really is under the costume and the shouting and the pretend grown-upness, and she's still the little girl who trusted The Doctor and was horribly let down by him. And that betrayed trust has been twisted into the core of what's grown-into/embodied by Prisoner Zero in this story.

The Doctor can't save them here. Rory can't. Its Amy's determination earlier in the story to venture into that room herself and look the monster in the eye that ultimately gives her control over it and sends it to its death.


Like the rest of this episode though (which, when you really think about it, is very low-key and comparatively cheap, done far more through suggestion than anything else) I think the script is something quite complex masking itself as something simple. Compare to The End of Time, which was something quite simple masking itself as something quite complex. That story was more or less just a succession of events with bigger explosions ending on a whimper.


And all that's just Amy's emotional journey side of the story too! There whole leagues of cleverness going on with reintroducing The Doctor because it's even more important to break this guy in, show why he's different, show why he's the same, and show why both of these differences and similarities are for the right reasons.

I like this guy. He didn't save the world with flying Jesus-light. He saved the world with a cameraphone a laptop and a fire-engine. It wasn't quite a toothpick, a magnifying glass and a bit of silver foil, but hey, new body. Steering's still a bit off.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
02:55 / 06.04.10
Smith won me over, despite my natural prejudice towards men with a face shaped like a foot and terrible hair. I'm interested to see how he performs for the rest of the series.

Lots to be wary of, however--I've noticed a two-episode River Song story coming up and I'm worried they'll use up the tasty possible ideas too quickly and her character will lose all credibility. Also I'm disappointed to note that the Doctor's new companion is once again an attractive young woman who appears to be on her way to becoming infatuated with him. I rather enjoyed the platonic companionship of Donna Noble and the earlier companions.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
09:04 / 06.04.10
That's not where Amy's going. She's getting married the day after she goes off with the Doctor, which is why she asked him if it'd be possible to return her on that morning.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
11:59 / 06.04.10
Mmm, I don't see that steering her away from the direction I think she's headed. Especially given the secrets whats-his-name may have.
 
 
iamus
12:40 / 06.04.10
Yeah. I'm getting from her that there's an amazing relationship between her and The Doctor, but she knows that she can never fully depend on him.

I think there's a bit of a dichotomy in Amy, between the stability she needs and the drive for mad adventures.
 
 
Dead Megatron
12:45 / 06.04.10
Personally, I thought it was just an acceptable episode. I was riddled with what one mau call "Doctor Who clichés", such as: ominous creature lurking in the shadows, ominous global transmissions from aliens, ominous hints to a greater threat in the end, ominous comments by the Doctor... you know, ominous in general.

Smith's Doc11 so far seemed to me a worse version of Tennant's Doc10, while I was expecting something completely different, as was the transition from Eccleston Do09 to Doc10. His only attitude that felt original for the character (yelling "Who da man?" after improvising the saving of the world sans screwdriver and sans TARDIS) was immediatelly discarded. It was a lame thing to say, granted, but at least it was fresh...

One thing I simply cannot pass through, though, is the bow tie. I mean, a freaking bow tie? Seriously? Is this Doctor Who or The Incredible Adventures of Jimmy Olsen? No, Matt Smith, bow ties are not cool. You looked much better in Tennant's ragged clothes, honestly.


Also, I didn'd know TARDISes could regenerate.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
12:57 / 06.04.10
I'm going to take a wild guess here: you've never watched any of the episodes prior to the reboot, have you?
 
 
iamus
14:10 / 06.04.10
Trailer for ep2.
 
 
Dead Megatron
15:40 / 06.04.10
Indeed I did not. I'm a rare Doctor Who: TNG fan. The original series was never broadcasted in my country.
 
 
Poke it with a stick
16:07 / 06.04.10
@ iamus:

You're bang on - Moffat isn't even that subtle in having Amy regress back to Amelia the moment the Doctor returns - her accent lapses back into the Scot's she's spent 12 years losing.

That's why I think the Amy/Doctor dynamic has the potential to be so good: she won't be hopelessly devoted to him like Martha; constantly dragging him back to Earth with guilt (Wose) or battling with him to be more human(e) (Donna).

Amelia Pond will ask him "Why?" and he'd better bloody well have a good reason because 12 years is a lot of dashed hopes to make up for.

But the theme tune starts off terribly.
 
 
■
17:22 / 06.04.10
McGann was already referenced in Family of Blood, cube.

I stand corrected. I think I recall that bit now. That was another Moff, though, wasn't it? Another thing that I remembered earlier while trying to explain it to a new-Whoer was just how Pertwee the idea of nicking a fire engine was. This chap is a twoccer, he's irresponsible in many ways and I think the inability to realise he's about to screw up another relationship is because he just doesn't GET that sort of stuff any more.... again.. whatever. It's like the Lonely God who was desperate for a shag has been exorcised, which is why despite your fears about soapy plots, i don't think we have to worry.

Mind you, I have a soft spot for Coupling, so what do I know?
 
 
iamus
17:45 / 06.04.10
I think Family of Blood was Paul Cornell, cube. There was a similar montage in The Next Doctor though, was he referenced in that?

Yeah ice cream and cube, I think that the Doctor gets aliens and how to save the world, but doesn't really understand how sliding in and out of people's lives can affect them. Even after disappearing for another two years on top of the twelve already he still can't manage more than a quick oops before launching further into his spiel.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
00:55 / 07.04.10
One thing I simply cannot pass through, though, is the bow tie. I mean, a freaking bow tie? Seriously? Is this Doctor Who or The Incredible Adventures of Jimmy Olsen? No, Matt Smith, bow ties are not cool. You looked much better in Tennant's ragged clothes, honestly.

I'm going to take a wild guess here: you've never watched any of the episodes prior to the reboot, have you?

That's a fair enough assessment (especially since DM cops to it immediately), but while I love earlier Doctor Whos and their ties of all kinds, there is something inherently stupid about a young man in a bowtie. Only because Smith is playing Doctor Who, and obviously doesn't care about looking cool or trendy (as is fitting of Doctor Who) can he just barely pull it off.
 
 
Dead Megatron
13:41 / 07.04.10
I foresee at least one joke per episode regarding that unfortunate wardrobe choice...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
09:14 / 08.04.10
The Doctor is inherently stupid, though. I mean, with the exception of Hartnell and Pertwee, all of the original players went with a clownish personality and its a large part of what gave the character his appeal - Tom Baker, in particular. That disappeared with the reboot and the hiring of Proper Actors. It's part of the reason why Smith feels more like somebody who can inhabit the part, whereas Eccleston and Tennant were both fairly self-conscious and playing slightly to the crowd.

One of the things that the trailers for the new series have triggered for me is the feel of an adventure serial - Flash Gordon, Batman - partly because of the look of the scenes (zombie Cybermen! maybe), partly because of the way they seem to be written and acted, and partly because of how Smith looks. So it was kind of cool to hear Smith say, on Confidential, that he was hoping that the costume references Indiana Jones. It totally does, but as a hint, rather than a carbon copy.

The Doctor's an adventurer. That he looks like a 1920s science explorer is all to the good. I love the look.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
10:35 / 08.04.10
Those are good points, and I totally agree with the bit about The Doctor naturally being a bit clownish. Tom Baker is still my favorite doctor, but I think his apparent age was a big factor in mitigating his clownish-ness and steering it towards bohemian. Yeah the outfit kinda harkens back to an early twentieth century explorer/adventurer, which is something I can dig, but I think Smith just looks too young to pull off the look. Or maybe just the bowtie. It grates on me in ways that no other Who outfit has.

Of course, I say that but if you ask me to come up with a better alternative and find myself grasping. A nice thin necktie sounds great and it's of the appropriate era (or so my online research has led me to believe), but I wonder how it'd work in practice. I think it'd be preferable, though, to this Who fan.

Ah fuck who knows. It may grow on me like some weird fungus. I reserve the right to change my mind three episodes from now.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
11:45 / 11.04.10
Having seen both new episodes now---and I too have some weird issue with the new opening theme---I can safely say that Matt Smith is doing a bang-up job. These are wonderful episodes, great writing, a wonderful decided lack of mawkishness, and interesting. I have noticed, though, and perhaps it's just me, that the show does seem to have firmly refooted itself as a kid's show. Sure, there are some slight grown-up things, but I am definitely getting a more family-friendly vibe than I have in the past seasons.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
12:20 / 11.04.10
Dude, yesterday's episode had the entire population of the UK agreeing to enslave and torture an endangered species and choosing to wipe their memories because they knew they'd done something evil, yet weren't prepared to stop doing the bad thing. Nothing in any of the previous four series comes close to the darkness at the heart of that storyline.

I've heard this comment about the new series being more geared towards kids before and I just don't understand it. For one thing, it's Doctor Who. Kids *are* its audience. For another, how are either of the last two episodes any more kid-orientated than the farting aliens and other such brainlessness that frequently ended up in RTD scripts?

Loved the second ep. Smith dones't get anything wrong, managing to do the big emotions with real subtlety and intelligence. It's a marked contrast to Tennant's habit of over-playing everything, so much so that it's only watching Smith that I realise that, actually, I don't think I really liked Doctor #10.

Moffat said something interesting in Confidential last week, and that was that this isn't the eleventh Doctor, there's only ever been one. It's the same man, just with a different body.

But I never got that from the ninth or tenth incarnations. Nine had an excuse, in that he was suffering from massive emotional trauma and the weight of enormous guilt, and rediscovering himself in the process of coming to terms with that. So I can accept that performance. But Ten, it just didn't work as a continuation of the story that had been ongoing for decades. It was a reboot the same as Battlestar Gallactic was a reboot - the series took the basics, frequently nodded back to the originals, but it was supposed to be its own beast. Ten was more the first Doctor than anything else.

Smith's performance is something else. Even if he's not watched any of the old series, he brings with him the feel that this guy *is* a culmination of all those previous personalities and experiences. You can see bits and pieces of all previous Doctors in there (but most obviously Troughton and Tom Baker, with hints of Davidson and Tennant thrown into the mix).

The "ahah, yes" laugh has appeared in both episodes and it's totally won me over both times - it's very reminiscent of those moments when the fourth Doctor would share an in-joke with Sarah-Jane . The Baker influence is absolutely massive this time around - a madman with a box, the otherness, the propensity to genuine anger (I guess everybody's heard the "there's one thing you never put in a trap" line from the trailers?), the sudden bursts of energy. But tied in with a gentleness and chivalry that, tbh, the last two incarnations never demonstrated believably.

And just going back to the adventure serial thing I was talking about before, what I'm getting from a lot of the imagery this time around is this brilliant sort of retro-futurism, which works so well because it can't ever age (unlike, um, future-futurism). Scenes from the trailers and this last episode - the big moments, the rocket ships and the outer-space dogfighting and the entire countries housed on floating spaceships - look heavily influenced by the covers of yr Astonishing Stories and the like. Which is something that will always hook me in, regardless of whatever else is going on.

Anyway. Episode two. Lots going on, lots of unexplained stuff in the details, a fair few plot holes (the script and sets keep forgetting that Scotland isn't part of Starship UK, the whale's mouth is simultaneously both inside and outside of the ship, the Half-Life tentacles aren't visible on any of the scans of the whale, etc), but some lovely moments, some proper adventure and mystery, lots of charm, excitement and humour, and some sparkling performances.

I even like the new take on the theme tune.
 
 
iamus
12:21 / 11.04.10
Yeah, I'd agree with that. But it's pretty not talking down either. Moffat's well established as a children's writer and I grew up on his Press Gang, which was a brilliant, intelligent kids show and well worth digging up. I like Moffat at this level. It's just a bit more gleefully anarchic, and this episode was a great little political sideswipe that avoided getting caught up in all the Number 10 Downing Streetishness of some of RTD's commentary.

For a kids show, The Doctor's moral dilemma was an chewy one, and his decided course of action to turn the Star Whale into a vegetable was a bit grisly, played really well too. I liked Amy's turnaround at the end of the episode, (how she managed to prove herself and properly escape from The Doctor's somewhat condescending attitude of who she is and make a claim for her own ground) even if it did come across a bit expositionary. Okonedo was brilliant.

Unsursprisingly (possibly because I'll find any reason to like something if I want to enough) the theme tune is beginning to grow on me now. It's not what I normally associate with what I like about the Doctor Who theme, but there's something about it. The titles are similar enough to the previous ones to know that you're in the same space and the same show, but now something about it is bigger and darker. Like the stakes are escalated. Maybe it just seemed to fit better with this episode than the last one. I'm totally sold on Murray Gold's in-episode work. The tune that plays over Amy's pictures and dolls at the end of the last episode is unusual and exciting. The massive fanfare over the vomiting sequence "This isn't going to be big on dignity!" was perfect.

Can see the effects of the BBC budget cuts though. Some of those sets were a bit small and obvious. That wasn't a tongue, it was definitely a sheet on the ground. Still, that's never been a going concern with Doctor Who as long as the stories are good.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
12:21 / 11.04.10
Cross-post.
 
  

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