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US Republican line up for '08 McCain/Palin

 
  

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Pingle!Pop
20:49 / 05.09.08
Nah, I'm afraid to say he gave up any such claim a long time ago. It's all about the POW.
 
 
Slim
21:58 / 05.09.08
I'm not sure you can have your surrogates blame all of America's current woes on "Liberal Washingon", then vow to end the partisan rancor on the next night and expect anyone to believe anything you or your surrogates say. Effective cognitive dissonance has its limits, and when it reaches those limits it looks like desperation.

And yet the latest daily Rasmussen poll shows Obama with a 1-2 percent lead. I would call that a very, very slender margin.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:17 / 05.09.08
Nah, I'm afraid to say he gave up any such claim a long time ago. It's all about the POW.

You are utterly free to do so, with no argument from me. Don't be afraid to say so. It hasn't change my mind about what I said or why; and that's Ok too.
 
 
Tsuga
22:23 / 05.09.08
Actually, I quite liked what he said about public service and the horrors of war.
U-S-A! U-S-A!
Actually, I liked some of what he said, probably everything I liked was what most of the people there hated. I don't dislike McCain, though I strongly dislike most of his policy. His speech was totally incongruous with the other speeches of the convention, and I hope that is pointed out repeatedly in the coming months.

I don't dare travel south or west of NY state for fear of being burnt alive at a stake.
I've got to call you on that one, as well. Please remember that ignorance and prejudice are universal, unfortunately. I mean, you can get population centers with a slightly higher level of education/awareness/etc. but even in that group there's an appalling amount of ignorance. We all suffer from ignorance; worse yet, most of us don't recognize it.

And yes, I think that "drill" image was over the line, too. Sorry, Quantum.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:36 / 05.09.08
here's an amusing graphic offered up by the NYTimes.

    The Words They Used
    The words that speakers used at the two political conventions show the themes that the parties have highlighted. Republican speakers have talked about reform and character far more frequently than the Democrats. And Republicans were more likely to talk about businesses and taxes, while Democrats were more likely to mention jobs or the economy.
 
 
Tsuga
22:43 / 05.09.08
I saw that this morning, and almost linked it here. I don't think it was amusing so much as illuminating. Well, it is kind of amusing how often the amounts are nearly exactly twice as much on either side, God, taxes, business, energy... Bush is a real outlier there, isn't it?
And some things no one wanted to bring up, like immigration.
 
 
grant
03:43 / 07.09.08
Jon Stewart dissects McCain's acceptance speech.

It's funny throughout, but it gets really interesting about halfway through. Note for note.
 
 
Ridiculous Man
06:17 / 07.09.08
Here's an email from Wasilla resident Anne Kilkenny that's been making the rounds, painting Sarah Palin as ruthless, petty, and a somewhat incompetent public administrator.

She is savvy. She doesn’t take positions; she just “puts things out there” and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit...

...Sarah complained about the “old boy’s club” when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of “old boys”. Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal–loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State’s top cop.
 
 
Orange
07:11 / 07.09.08
I'm sorry to sort of butt in when I don't have anything to add, but I've been quite enjoying reading this thread and the picture on the previous page took me by surprise and also made me feel a little sick, for the same reasons as XK. I'm sure it wasn't intended that way but I think it would be cool if it were taken down so that no one else reading this for the first time would have to have the same experience.
 
 
Quantum
07:53 / 08.09.08
Just awaiting mod agreement to change the pic to a link- I should be less casual about pointing at propaganda I suppose, my bad.
What interested me most is that people go straight for her gender when she presents so many easy targets for satire and abuse. I initially thought it might be because if you're a gun toting Rep that's the only thing you would not have in common with her, but on reflection it's more just your standard sexism jumping to the fore.
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
12:35 / 08.09.08
I agree that the pic was in poor taste... But the sexism involved came off to me as a Beavis & Butthead, "Hehehehe... She said "drill"..." kind of adolescent humour. As stupid and insulting as it is, I also think that it is born of a type of ignorant innocence. Somebody surely thought they were being clever.

It will be easy for the republicans to pick apart these kinds of jokes and make a big fuss about the sexism involved and then come of as being the victims, or even as the "good guys".

These sexist attacks will become a focus for their strategy and will take away from the other issues more important to the election: economics, foreign policy, reform, etc...

The thing is, I'd be willing to bet that the majority of sexist attacks will come from redknecky types who traditionally vote conservative. (Not that there aren't rednecky liberals... well, there are most certainly less...)

Do I smell a bit of misdirection?

(Maybe the next time a link and opinion would make a better post...)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:25 / 08.09.08
Quantum, Quantum, Quantum.
You joining 4chan after all?


A true channer would have realised a long time ago that Ms Palin's gender is unimportant, and that what matters, her dark secret, is that she is A FUCKING BEAR.
 
 
Quantum
14:51 / 08.09.08
(aside- having dug into it a bit more I now realise I am simply too gentle for 4chan, even spinoff sites like encyclopedia dramatica where that Palin pic was from are too much for my poor eyes)

In a way, the election is gearing up to be a test of America's racism vs sexism. But of course both parties have an old WASP male candidate too, for the -ists to fall back on.
How's it looking over there, are McCain/Palin making up the ground to challenge Barack? Is the POW angle working? Reassure me the Reps aren't going to get in, pretty please, because I heard on the radio Palin professes to believe climate change is not affected by mankind's actions, thirty years after JASON showed our CO2 emissions drive global warming.

When asked about climate change after becoming Senator McCain's presumptive running mate, she stated that it would "affect Alaska more than any other state", but she added, "I'm not one though who would attribute it to being man-made."

OMFG as they say.
 
 
Ticker
14:51 / 08.09.08
I've got to call you on that one, as well. Please remember that ignorance and prejudice are universal, unfortunately. I mean, you can get population centers with a slightly higher level of education/awareness/etc. but even in that group there's an appalling amount of ignorance. We all suffer from ignorance; worse yet, most of us don't recognize it.

Sure, but still traveling to places where the first polite round of questions to a new person includes "What church do you belong to?" scares the crap out of me for solid experiential reasons. Plus sadly being female and heavily tattoo'd I've had a lot of bad experiences in the bread baskety US (when I had to go there for work).
Truth is my opinion of the average American is not so nice. I have compassion for their fear of anything different but while I will invite them to my dinner table I have solid reason to believe most would remove my right to exercise choice over my body and the contents of my mind. Many have straight up told me all the reasons not only should I be damned/am damned, but should have various unpleasant and horrible acts committed upon my person. That tends to stick with you. But yeah YMMV.

I stand by my comfort level in gay pride march zones.
 
 
Ticker
14:52 / 08.09.08
p.s Quantum, thanks for the edit to the icky pic. Yer a pal.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:44 / 08.09.08
What's scary is that the polls are now tied 50/50, basically... this may all come down to a few votes come November. Unless someone really embarrasses themselves on either side during the debates or some other gaffe/scandal comes up.
 
 
Ticker
18:34 / 08.09.08
I have the big FEAR. Women who are pro choice are voting for Palin.

ok so they are her friends but YIKES!
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
20:31 / 08.09.08
How's it looking over there, are McCain/Palin making up the ground to challenge Barack?

Yes.
Is the POW angle working?

Always has; no reason for it to stop now.

Reassure me the Reps aren't going to get in, pretty please, because I heard on the radio Palin professes to believe climate change is not affected by mankind's actions, thirty years after JASON showed our CO2 emissions drive global warming.

No can do, buddy. It's a very real possibility.
 
 
Slim
21:36 / 08.09.08
McCain and Palin are beating on Obama like a rented mule, red-headed stepchild, or whatever other colloquialism indicating an ass-whipping you prefer because that's exactly what is going on.

Amazingly, the Republicans have stolen the idea of "change" and the use of candidate personality from the Democrats and the Dems have done absolutely nothing to stop it. McCain has the momentum and it's going to take a spectacular revelation or a great debate performance from Obama to turn it around.
 
 
Tsuga
23:21 / 08.09.08
I stand by my comfort level in gay pride march zones.
Hey, we've even got pride here in WNC. But I do understand what you mean. I just think sometimes it's too easy to fall on regionalism or the urban/rural divide, even though they are distinctly different cultures, like so many. It's a legitimate thing to think that many people out in the sticks around here, say, would look at a pierced tattooed person and mutter things. Though I must say that television is the great equalizer and makes many things less surprising to everyone. One of the good things about television.
One of the bad things is that it still dumbs down most things for mass consumption and that's part of the reason something like this Palin bullshit actually gets some traction. Journalists, in the interest of impartiality, have to actually ask, "Is Sarah Palin a valid vice-presidential choice?" I mean, the fact that she was chosen says reams about the state of this country, let alone the response among so many. Today's polls say that McCain is now ahead of Obama, which is utterly crazy, except that people have a vast reserve of fear to draw from that can be exploited. It can be legitimately argued that Barack Obama doesn't have a great depth of experience in national or international policy, but to all appearances he's an extremely level-headed, intelligent person who would do a very good job at trying to change the country for the better, not radically but judiciously. McCain is a nice enough and smart enough guy, but he is going to continue many of the same policies that people are sick of. But still, he seems like a normal president to people. What else could explain things like people voting against their own self-interest?
I've been drinking, so perhaps this is disjointed rambling superficial nonsense.
But really. Palin?

By the way, here's another great Daily Show clip.
 
 
Tsuga
23:54 / 08.09.08
Sorry to keep linking to videos, but here's the Colbert Report interviewing the guy who used the term "uppity". Unbelievably stupid and funny man.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
04:57 / 09.09.08
The Onion: Portrayal of Obama as elitist hailed as a great step forward for African Americans.

So, say Hillary had got the Dem nomination. Does the GOP have a handy token black guy to be their VP nomination then?
 
 
Tsuga
08:56 / 09.09.08
That would be Alan Keyes.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
10:08 / 09.09.08
I have a question for the Americans here: are the democrats attacking the republican candidates at all? I'm not getting any sense of that happening and they won't win this election if they don't fight dirty and there's a lot of dirt. The republicans have caused an international recession for one so is it happening or not?
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
10:10 / 09.09.08
Does the GOP have a handy token black guy to be their VP nomination then?

Probably although the republicans are less likely to win black voters than female voters.
 
 
Ticker
14:11 / 09.09.08
I have a question for the Americans here: are the democrats attacking the republican candidates at all? I'm not getting any sense of that happening and they won't win this election if they don't fight dirty and there's a lot of dirt. The republicans have caused an international recession for one so is it happening or not

Nope. Obama is running a squeaky clean campaign.

McCain is not a nice man BTW, he called his wife a heinous derogatory term in front of a room full of the press.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
14:30 / 09.09.08
Well you clearly have more of a sense of the mood surrounding the campaigns. Do you think the Democrats can get elected if they continue to run a clean campaign?
 
 
Ticker
14:44 / 09.09.08
I took a long hard look yesterday about why I was feeling like McCain/Palin were going to win and it was an ugly legacy.

The 2000 election was stolen, the 2004 was just fucking tepid, and there's this sense of impending doom. With Palin coming in it made me feel like the fundie's started feeling even more self righteous with their supermom bullshit. The clips of self proclaimed prochoice women saying they were going to vote for McCain/Palin made me want to scream "DID YOU TAKE A CRAZY PILL?!?!"

This whole nasty ass American bible thumping pro Imperialist Manifest Destiny bullshit is toxic, it makes you want to curl up and die or move somewhere else. Mostly it comes in through the media and the infected privileged who truly believe people are impoverished because they are lazy and worthless (WTF?!?!).

The only antidote, and the only way I can see Obama winning, is a fierce crazed application of Obama's message of Hope. Not mudslinging, not dirty laundry airing, but straight up insistence on taking back America from the douchebag corporations and insulated upper class. There needs to be a revolution against the message of "don't even bother trying". It's not about swaying the people who are going to vote for McCain it's about getting everyone else to vote for Obama.

I think I may have just talked myself into volunteering to go door to door and harass my neighbors...
 
 
grant
15:14 / 09.09.08
Well, you might like this from WaPo:

Obama to Palin: Don't Mock the Constitution

FARMINGTON HILLS, Mich. -- Sen. Barack Obama delivered an impassioned defense of the Constitution and the rights of terrorism suspects tonight, striking back at one of the biggest applause lines in Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin's speech to the GOP convention.

...

"The reason that you have this principle is not to be soft on terrorism. It's because that's who we are. That's what we're protecting," Obama said, his voice growing louder and the crowd rising to its feet to cheer. "Don't mock the Constitution. Don't make fun of it. Don't suggest that it's not American to abide by what the founding fathers set up. It's worked pretty well for over 200 years."

He finished with a dismissive comment about his opponents.

"These people."
 
 
Eek! A Freek!
15:34 / 09.09.08
At this very moment Google news has a tonne of posts about how polls are showing that white women are flocking over to the McCain/Palin camp...

It was the most obvious, gimmicky stunt imaginable for McCain to pull and it appears that it is working. (If you listen to the polls - and it's been proven that many people vote with popular opinion... Attack me later for making sheeple claims...)

I pray I'm wrong...

If I'm not: XK, there's plenty of room up here for heavily tattoo'd females and their consorts. From BC to Newfoundland, you'll find only really small pockets of Canadians that discriminate against those of a freaky disposition... Of course it still exists, but not on large chunks of geography....

I extend an open invitation to all American diaspora who wish for greener pastures until they can one day reclaim the Promised Land from the fascists and the haters...
 
 
Ticker
15:56 / 09.09.08
That's wicked nice of you up in the way North. My neighbor is thinking about Nova Scotia, though I told her the ocean's behavior after another bout of global warming denial might not be as kind.

I hear Toronto is lovely though and extremely receptive to immigrants.

But you know, fuck it. I'm an American even though it sometimes freaks me out to say so. I ought to at least try and backup my fellow citizens who are trying to keep the country from sliding even further into the hell pit.

Any self styled feminist who votes for McCain/Palin needs to go back to school and learn what equality looks like, because it sure as shit is not a pitbull wearing lipstick.
 
 
Ticker
16:25 / 09.09.08
These might have been posted here before but the list of books Palin tried to have banned (and attempted to fire the Librarian who refused to pull the books)

A Wrinkle in Time by L'Engle
Brave New World by Huxley
Catch 22 by Heller
Clockwork Orange by Burgess
As I lay Dying by Faulkner
Canterbury Tales by Chaucer
Confession by Rousseau
Death of a Salesman my Miller
Flowers for Algernon by Keyes
Lady Chatterleys Lover by Lawrence
Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
Little Red Riding Hood by the Grimm Brothers
Lord of the Flies by Golding
Lysistrata by Aristophanes
Of Mice and Men by Steinbeck
To Kill a Mocking Bird by Lee
One flew Over th Cuckoo's Nest by Kesey
The Chocolate War by Cormier
Pigman by Zindel



Plus: Any thing by Stephen King, J.K. Rowling, almost all of Dahls books, both of
Mark Twain's major works, most of Judy Blume, most of Shakespeare.
Time magazine will have the story on her attempted book banning. A contributor to
http://www.librarian.net/ (scan the comments to the announcement of the Time story)
names the above books as the ones she tried to ban.
 
 
Ticker
16:30 / 09.09.08
also:

pure awesomeness: Women Against Sarah Palin
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
17:27 / 09.09.08
These might have been posted here before but the list of books Palin tried to have banned (and attempted to fire the Librarian who refused to pull the books)

[edit]
To Kill a Mocking Bird by Lee
[edit]


B.A.R.R.A.C.U.D.A. is now officially my true sworn enemy until the end of time.
 
 
Ridiculous Man
18:31 / 09.09.08
That's actually not true, XK, apparently someone copied a list of frequently challenged books and attributed it to her. Sadly, I think this will take away from what is true, that she called the librarian to ask about banning books, and then later tried to fire her.
 
  

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