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Batman: The Dark Knight

 
  

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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:41 / 05.07.08
And speed?
 
 
The Falcon
08:09 / 05.07.08
I'm so excited I had a phone-vote to see whether the young orphan in my charge lives... or dies.

Sadly, for him, he lost. I'm gonna miss the little bastard.
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:16 / 05.07.08
Pah! Phone votes.

Flip a coin.

Datch da Gotham way!
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
12:07 / 07.07.08
5th and possibly last trailer with new footage. very few dialogue, lots of teh sinister. leave your kids at home.
 
 
iamus
17:51 / 07.07.08
but there is tons of action-packed footage, even Batman tossing Joker


....
 
 
akira
11:57 / 10.07.08
First 6 minutes, Rapidshare download
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:25 / 10.07.08
I bet you bean dip to boron that they can't be bothered to have Batman throw a press conference not five minutes after being attacked by an exploding shark and having to wrestle with him in mid-air.

Having watched the 1960s Bat-movie yesterday, I suspect the desperate attempts at realism and "understated" Joker won't impress me.

And no Batmobile design will ever surpass the pop art masterpiece of the Batcopter, man.
 
 
Spaniel
17:29 / 10.07.08
I've recently faced the fact that there are multiple Batmen living in my head, some wear body armour, some sport shark repellant, some take on White Martians with a matchstick, all can be enjoyed on their own terms.
 
 
unbecoming
17:32 / 10.07.08
Having watched the 1960s Bat-movie yesterday, I suspect the desperate attempts at realism and "understated" Joker won't impress me.

And no amount of gritty violence will surpass the seminal "running with bomb" scene.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:05 / 10.07.08
Oh, I get the multiple Batmen, for sure, but lately I've felt the call for a ... groovier Man-of-Bats.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
15:37 / 11.07.08
possible 24-hour Imax screenings in London to meet demands.

how I envy you naughty brits. no Imax in São Paulo yet.

did you get the latest Joker email with free tickets? i got it, but no regular screenings here either [strange, because a warner representative told a website that the brazilian leg of the trailer screening mob action was the most crowded one].

the clown laughs.
 
 
Dead Megatron
19:25 / 14.07.08
no Imax in São Paulo yet.

No Imax in the whole blessed country, as far as I know

Is anybody else feeling awed (is this a real word?) by the amount of reviews describing heath's perfomance? There seems to be a consensus it is bloody incredible, to say the least. I mean, even Jack Nicholson's Joker is being referred to as an inferior portraial.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:32 / 14.07.08
Tragically deceased young actor's final performance receives vocal praise. That is certainly the most astonishing thing I have heard this century. I was expecting most critics to describe it as tame, disapointing and underwhelming.

Don't be awed by reviews. Go and see the film. Be awed by that.
 
 
Dead Megatron
21:00 / 14.07.08
God, I wish I could do that right now, but alas, four days to go still.

What I mean, Haus, is that, even under such standards, the praising is way, way up. And unanimous as well, which is rare. I'm starting to get afraid of going to the movie expecting too much from his performance, and end up underwhelmed no matter how good he was in the part.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:05 / 14.07.08
Jack Nicholson's Joker is being referred to as an inferior portraial

Given that Nicholson didn't do shit in the part other from play himself, that's hardly an astonishing compliment.
 
 
Dead Megatron
22:44 / 14.07.08
Hmmm, good point.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:47 / 14.07.08
Caesar goddamn Romero. At least he had the twisted art-freak mojo to outright punch Batman.
 
 
netbanshee
15:38 / 16.07.08
Here's some non-spoilery praise from Quint and Massawyrm from Aint It Cool News.

I can't help but walk into this with really high expectations and feeling they are going to be met... especially with such positive reviews coming in.

12am Thurs night, baby!
 
 
iamus
17:02 / 16.07.08
The word through the grapevine, from top comics writer and current Batman scribe, Grant Morrison™, is that it's the best superhero movie he's seen in his life.

So that's encouraging.
 
 
grant
17:25 / 16.07.08
Also good non-spoiler review on reddit.
 
 
Spaniel
17:38 / 16.07.08
Grant's review squeezed the excitement gland.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:50 / 16.07.08
I don't know - it could just mean that he hasn't seen Sky High. High bar, dudes. High bar.
 
 
grant
17:57 / 16.07.08
Ron Wilson, BUS DRIVER!
 
 
CameronStewart
22:58 / 16.07.08
Grant Morrison's extremely favourable review is available in the (free) subscriber section of his website.

"Comics scholars will understand me when I compare ‘The Dark Knight’ to WATCHMEN as a measure of its likely impact on the ’genre’ that spawned it. Like WATCHMEN, it forces all previous and future offerings of its kind into a higher-level dialogue and it will be intriguing to see what comes next. This looks set to redefine the limits of what a ‘superhero movie’ is capable of."
 
 
Spaniel
07:01 / 17.07.08
Like Sky High, then.
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:04 / 17.07.08
At least he had the twisted art-freak mojo to outright punch Batman.

Hey hey, JackJoke punched the Bat. And humourously hurt his fist on Batfink's armour-plated abs. I haven't stopped laughing since.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
07:06 / 18.07.08
i watched it. my god. just came back from a midnight screening [to which i RAN to buy tickets for when i learned of it] and i'm still stunned by this tour the force - it's a long film, there's much more happening than the trailers show. but despite the lenght it grabbed be by the neck and didn't release until the very end.

these will probably be incoherent thoughts, but i'll avoid spoilers, despite saying that people wanting to see Two-Face will be happy to know he appears for a lot more than we have been led to believe.

it's probably the most grow-up comic book movie i've ever seen. it's not a superhero movie, it's a Cop Drama, you know. emphasys on 'cop' and 'drama'. it's a movie about individual well-being versus society's needs and who you are in this society - how your actions or innaction will affect others and when they do, will it be for better or worse?

you know, i was intrigued by Batman's screen time; at first i thought he could have appeared more. obviously Ledger's Joker owns the movie, but himself, Batman and Harvey Dent share a lot of screen time.

that's because they're players in a game of debate [thesis, antithesis, synthesis] around how society works, the role of the individual, means to ends, ethics. and how you can go from one opposite to another once things change: by action, non-action and chance.

it's probably the most intelectual comic book movie i've ever seen, but not a boring one, don't get me wrong. it's not all talk and exposition: people act their beliefs, so stuff gets blown [a lot], rounds fired, flesh cut, faces punched, bellies kicked, arms bitten, bodies flipped.

i loved the batpod scenes and the long chase sequence - it's the most realistic you can get without becoming BOURNE or killing stuntmen. and in the plot, money is not stolen and people not killed or kidnapped becase it looks cool; everything happens for a reason, all is tied up in the end.

Heath Ledger. he IS the Joker, he's a complete madman - no wonder, as they showed in the trailer, Jim Gordon's crew failed to put an ID on him; he's nobody, he's Legion, he's all our anarchist i-wish-a-bomb-wiped-everybody thoughts, "an agent of Chaos" as he puts at a given moment. he's given some great GREAT lines and in his deep madness seems to be the sanest person around.

he's a heavy part of the discussion and sometimes steals from Dent the moral balance role. he's almost a good force of nature, like a cancer that helps you enjoy life more, stand up and fight - but then it spreads.

the Joker is an Absolute, but he acts just like the Joker, completing rounds, bringing impossible hands together, bringing a new Order through Chaos and forcing a system to change or die, to evolve to something new and... stranger, like DMT to a brain cell.

Heath owns it, he flinches, twiches, licks his lips - his whole body language speaks like someone you can't predict and everybody is shit-scared when he's around: he's the odd element, always. his proper introduction after the now famous bank robbery sequence is superb. he made the theater laugh here and in other scenes, actually.

like you laugh of a headcase you run into a dark street while going home from a party. what scares the most is not he madness, but how he seems to be in control of it. under all the poorly-applied make up, there's millions thoughts a minute, tapped into the thoughtstream\ideaspace of human consciousness.

Ackhart's Harvey Dent is just tragic; it's obviously about his downfall, and i loved how all the plots were well tied and it didn't bore me how they differed from the comics [not that much, actually].

Justice's posterboy is not always the epitome of centered; everybody changes roles, actually. he's taken from being a moral absolute [cops hate him for his work at Internal affairs] and put in the middle of the moral debate - his Two Faces being the incanation of the moral dichotomy everybody is forced to... face.

even Gotham's citizens. almost every talk you had with families, coworkers, friends, cabbies about urban violence after tragic killings that got famous is put in the table. that's why Batman's motives are not left unshaken.

he's doubtful, torn between calling it quits and becoming a monster to catch others worse than him. i was almost hoping the isolation chamber experience that's being refferenced in current comics would make an appearance.

he's almost Dent's moral opposite, but the difference in their methods takens them too much apart. we know Bruce sees in Dent what he could have been, and vice-versa; but both are forced to see they can never be each other, in the worst way possible.

i loved how this reminded of urban 70s films - fun and thought-provoking, with the city and its inhabbitants as main characters; i'm dizzy now at almost 5 in the morning, but my head is still spinning from it.

the dumb action is there at the service of the intrincated plot [there's lots, lots of it, but don't bring you kids along unless they can take the 2 and half hours and you want them to grow up a bit faster], and the few CGI used is as it's supposed to be: almost invisible; i actually didn't know what was CGI here, so that's how it's supposed to be.

i'm going to post this before a screw up and drift even more in my fanboy rant, or hit F5 with my forehead afte dozzing of. i need to watch this again. a couple more times. Nolan and Co. made it. it payed off to have faith in them.

whew.
 
 
netbanshee
07:21 / 18.07.08
Just got back from the late night premiere and I must say that I'm quite pleased with the film. I won't get as hyperbolic about the film as some published reviewers have, comparing it needlessly to some all-time greats like Citizen Kane, Godfather: Part II and Empire Strikes Back. This film isn't as cohesive and well-crafted as those, but it doesn't need to stack up to such standards.

The film does meander a bit at parts and some areas could have had a bit more polish. I'll be happy to get into that discussion after the first wave of folks here get the opportunity to see it.

Ledger clearly is the big winner here. He completely nails the Joker and offers some really great moments throughout the film. He overshadows all of the other characters, though each of them turned in a notable performance.

Bale's reprisal of his role smoothly transitions over from Batman Begins into an area of moral ambiguity and dilemma. We get to explore the limits that Bat's rules impose on him and witness the conflict that occurs when he's confronted by the chaotic nature of the Joker. At times I wanted to give Bats a lozenge though... the voice of our Dark friend can be a bit forced by the time the end of the film arrives.

Eckhart does a great job portraying Dent/Two Face and shifts comfortably into his later role in the film. Quite a bit rests of his character's shoulders.

One last bit needing mention here before I head off for the night... some of the nods the film makes towards our current social and political climate are welcome and fitting. It's good to see the The Dark Knight present some awareness of what's outside it's own borders.

Go see it when you can. You were going to anyway.
 
 
CameronStewart
09:04 / 18.07.08

SPOILER FREE! READ IN SAFETY!

"A juggernaut of a movie" is how someone described this and its a perfect description. It's nearly 6am, I just got out of a 3am screening (!) and I'm in absolute awe. Relentless, riveting, just leagues ahead of Batman Begins or anything in this genre. I loved Iron Man but it's fluff in comparison.

The thing that was the most surprising and pleasing to me was that even though I was stupid and devoured every trailer and leaked clip and read every review in advance, and I thought that I knew pretty much how the movie was going to play out - I had it so wrong. Clips in the trailers that I thought were from the climax of the movie were from halfway through and so much of it was unexpected and new.

The last couple of minutes, right up until that title comes on the screen, gave me shivers. I never expected it to end that way but it's terrific.

What an incredible thing Chris Nolan has made.
 
 
Spaniel
09:21 / 18.07.08
You are all total bastards.

6 days, 5 hours and 55 minutes to bloody go.
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:34 / 18.07.08
The thing that was the most surprising and pleasing to me was that even though I was stupid and devoured every trailer and leaked clip and read every review in advance, and I thought that I knew pretty much how the movie was going to play out - I had it so wrong.

I am so glad you wrote that Cameron. I've been desperately trying to avoid the most recent wave of Bat-trailers in the fear that I'll have seen the whole damn film before I see the whole damn film.
 
 
Spaniel
10:56 / 18.07.08
I read the script last time around. I would almost certainly have done it again if given the chance. Glad I wasn't.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:10 / 18.07.08
Pretty fantastic, although I will agree with the following statements:

>> I won't get as hyperbolic about the film as some published reviewers have, comparing it needlessly to some all-time greats like Citizen Kane, Godfather: Part II and Empire Strikes Back. This film isn't as cohesive and well-crafted as those, but it doesn't need to stack up to such standards.

It's a 9 or a 9.5 out of 10, in my opinion - in a few small but significant ways, it falls short of being perfect as a film. (I think Spider-Man 2 is a perfect film, pretty much) There are just a few little things and a few lines of dialogue that telegraph/spell out a bit preachily the themes of the film - which there was no need to do, since the movie is so smart and intelligent that the themes are very apparent to any moviegoer.

I'll save my minor criticisms for when day 1 has died down a bit. I feel certain this movie will break all previous opening weekend records.

Heath is riveting every time he appears on the screen, and as charismatic as The Joker is, we find ourselves in awe of his brilliance, yet the movie gives us enough times to see Heath get punished in various ways and we snap back into 'oh, right, this is the bad guy, even if he's uber-cool; I almost forgot I wanted to see him punished because he's killed all these people and caused all this destruction.'

In the comics, every once in a while I would think in my 18+ years of reading comic books: How can the Joker be such a threat? He's one guy with no powers. What the movie shows so clearly is that the Joker is a brilliant tactician; a master strategist who is a master of manipulation, misdirection and innovation where crime is concerned - and he's almost always four chess moves ahead of everyone else. THAT, and some reasonably good fighting skills (as well as his famed unpredictability), is what makes him so dangerous. Any one of the schemes the Joker executes in this film could have been done by any of Gotham's criminals, except none of the 'regular' Gotham crooks thought to do things so eccentric and ambitious.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:14 / 18.07.08
>> At times I wanted to give Bats a lozenge though... the voice of our Dark friend can be a bit forced by the time the end of the film arrives.

Yes - although it's not the gravelly nature of the voice that took me out of it at times; it's the needless 'super-hyped up bass and voice distortion' the filmmakers give Bats. It's a small but noticeable thing that several friends commented on also - when you're in a scene with Bats and two other 'normal' people in a room and the sound levels are normal for the regular guys and super-amped up SubWoofer Bass for Batman, it's a bit disjointed. Batman Begins did this as well, but this time around it actually seems like they turned UP the volume and the bass in this film, every time he speaks in costume, and in my opinion it's a bit much most of the time.

Anyway, still a freakin' great film, don't get me wrong.

The plot goes to places you would never really expect - we can discuss the spoilers specifically whenever it feels right (which is probably not on Day 1).
 
 
FinderWolf
13:39 / 18.07.08
Also, another non-spoiler comment: This movie really had me on the edge of my seat mulitiple times - the suspense generated by the film is genuine and quite incredible. Just when you think the excitement/moral dilemnas/horrible situations are about to die down, they keep going and new developments keep happening...
 
  

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