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Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
02:41 / 14.05.08
What's the deal with The Fall? Apparently it made the festival circuit two years ago, but was never actually released to the domestic markets? Does anyone know where to get ahold of it?
 
 
grant
19:01 / 14.05.08
The NYT review of Surfwise.

9 kids growing up in a 24-foot trailer.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:14 / 22.05.08
Marvel Studios just reported that the Capt. America movie will be set in WWII. A bit odd (although the move seems to have a lot of fans very excited in a positive sense), since one of the most compelling things about Cap. (as shown quite well in Millar's Ultimates) is the 'man out of time' aspect of his character. I would've thought they'd go with a present-day Cap movie with occasional flashbacks to his WWII time. But there you go. I'm not running a movie studio.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
02:26 / 23.05.08
If they do a WWII Cap movie, then the Avengers movie can start with his being found.

Or at least the Cap movie can tease his being found after the credits.

It makes a lot of sense, really given the structure of the movies. I'm curious as to if this whole thing will work. Iron Man was aces, but they can't all be gems, can they?
 
 
Spaniel
10:14 / 23.05.08
They clearly read Ultimates #1 (Wouldn't be surprised if the entire comic is lifted), and, you know origin story. Movies loves them origin stories.

Would be nice to see something of Isiah Bradley.
 
 
_pin
10:40 / 23.05.08
I'm surprised they're running with having him come from WWII at all. I kind of figuered he'd come back from heroically winning Vietnam...
 
 
Spaniel
12:22 / 23.05.08
Not sure they'd want to head anywhere quite so controversial.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:39 / 23.05.08
Didn't Iron Man kick off in Afghanistan? Why, then, would they shy away from a conflict from which American troops were withdrawn 35 years ago, and which Rambo won in First Blood Part 2 anyway?
 
 
Spaniel
17:08 / 23.05.08
Shaddup

Red Skull weren't in Vietnam, was 'e?
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
21:45 / 24.05.08
general population doesn't even know whatever happened in Afghanistan. after a while, it was all Iraq in their minds.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:45 / 24.05.08
Those both seem like very cogent and well-supported counterarguments.
 
 
Spaniel
11:10 / 25.05.08
Sorry, I didn't realise we were being serious. Now that I do, how about this.

WWII is the only war in recent Western history where it's still possible to paint the warrior as a straight up hero. People will vocally quibble about Vietnam, but the vast majority of people are gonna be right behind Captain America taking on the Nazi war machine, and will be happy to afford him mythic status for doing so.

I know this isn't an argument, but surely you see where I'm coming from with this, Haus. Vietnam has not been sanitised despite Rambo's best efforts - it's still convincingly the war that created the Punisher (and Rambo).
 
 
FinderWolf
13:48 / 25.05.08
>> If they do a WWII Cap movie, then the Avengers movie can start with his being found.

>> Or at least the Cap movie can tease his being found after the credits.

>> It makes a lot of sense, really given the structure of the movies.

I dig it. Boboss raises good points too about why they're starting with the WWII film. Sounds good to me.
 
 
Benny the Ball
14:01 / 25.05.08
If they are going to play the man out of time card, then WWII makes the most sense - there will still be the element of the 40's to play to (a few friends from those days being in their 80's) but removed enough. Can't really see the man out of time card being played very well if set in Vietnam "these crazy kids, with their drugs and peace talk and long hair - I've never seen anything like this from the 60's from where I'm from, and stuff!" etc.

I thought that the Iron Man in Afghan thing was because it was relatively the least volatile but still active war zone in the war against terror (tm)?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:28 / 25.05.08
WWII is the only war in recent Western history where it's still possible to paint the warrior as a straight up hero. People will vocally quibble about Vietnam, but the vast majority of people are gonna be right behind Captain America taking on the Nazi war machine, and will be happy to afford him mythic status for doing so.

I know this isn't an argument, but surely you see where I'm coming from with this, Haus. Vietnam has not been sanitised despite Rambo's best efforts - it's still convincingly the war that created the Punisher (and Rambo).


I think that, to take that viewpoint, you kind of have to ignore First Blood, Part II, in which Rambo is redeemed as not a traumatised veteran of a terrible war but as a heroic warrior against an evil enemy - Rambo is precisely there as Captain America is in your example. The argument that Vietnam is this terrible black hole in the American psyche has become progressively less convincing as America has moved further from it - Rambo won the Vietnam war, after all, just as he defeated Communism in Afghanistan. The Punisher, it's worth noting, was not produced by Vietnam in the version of the story that most people will actually have encountered - the Thomas Jane film.

So, while I certainly agree that it's easier to make an ethically uncomplicated film about fighting Nazis, and also that Captain America fits better into a war where there is no moral question about the fghting he is doing, I think the reasons for not starting Captain America in Vietnam are aesthetic; they are not about how controversial the Vietnam war is, really - I don't think Hollywood can be said to have that sort of sensibility any more, as evinced not least by the use of Afghanistan as a backdrop for the opening of Iron Man.
 
 
Spaniel
14:53 / 26.05.08
Okay, I'm not entirely convinced, but I think your point about aesthetics is a really good one, and ties into what I was saying earlier about myth making. The WWII context will enhance Cap's sheen. If it were to be set in Vietnam the script would have to work that much harder to achieve the same effect.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:22 / 26.05.08
I agree entirely, and likewise BtB is right that the late 60s and the 21st century really aren't as good in fish-out-of-water terms; not necessarily because there weren't people taking drugs and having free love in the 40s, or even because they weren't as many, necessarily, but they weren't on TV.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:07 / 26.05.08
Mongol.

This isn't as good a trailer as the one I saw in the cinema, but this looks AWESOME. Mind you, I've always had a bit of a thing for Genghis Khan, so ymmv.
 
 
Poke it with a stick
18:33 / 03.06.08
There's a nifty trailer for Iron Sky here - a Finnish sci-fi/comedy production that describes the Nazi's return from the moon to conquer the Earth.
 
 
Dead Megatron
19:29 / 03.06.08
This isn't as good a trailer as the one I saw in the cinema, but this looks AWESOME. Mind you, I've always had a bit of a thing for Genghis Khan, so ymmv.

You and me both, my friend. I've read, and loved, Genghis Khan's "biography" and was really excited to hear from this movie.

My only issue is that it that I heard it focuses on Temujin's youth, which, as interesting as it may be, would leave aside his later, more philosophical years, which I find to be equally, if not much more, important for us to grasp the larger-than-life quality of this historical figure. A movie that only shows his youth will miss the point when he asks to his Generals, and then answers, "what's best in life"?* (Thank Crom that dialogue was plagiarized in "Conan, the Barbarian")

Anyway, I look forward to this. Hope it has at least 3 hours.

* there's a pontential Convo thread right there.
 
 
Tsuga
21:50 / 03.06.08
I'd love to see a good movie about Genghis Khan, not some Bruckheimer bastard spawn version. Have you ever read The Secret History of the Mongols? If you're into the Khan, it's an engrossing read.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:15 / 03.06.08
Umm, Tsuga, I'm not sure where you're getting the Bruckheimer thing from.

Funnily enough, when I was a kid I was obsessed with the parallels (for "parallels" read "where Howard nicked his ideas from", of course) between Temujin and Conan...
 
 
Tsuga
00:32 / 04.06.08
I'm just saying I can too easily imagine a standard Hollywood version of the Genghis Khan story. Though Bruckheimer doesn't usually do period pieces, he represents all I find repugnant about Hollywood, so I just throw out his name as a default in those instances.
Now, I didn't see 10,000 BC, because I saw the trailers. I mean, it looks ridiculous. Maybe it's not. But, assuming it's as bad as it looks, imagine what an interesting movie it could have been. I could see a 10,000 BC-style Khan movie. Things like slow-mo, fast-mo inhuman sword action and glorified battle scenes a la Gladiator.
Looking at the trailer (which I missed before, because when I followed the link it started showing a trailer for The Bucket List, which was the ad before the trailer and creeped me out) it's hard to know how much of it is "sexing it up" for American audiences or how much it's actually like that. The hyperbolic music, the over fucking blown foley work, which is one of the things that sets my teeth on edge, and the standard whassisname trailer voice-over, make it look like a missed opportunity. But it certainly could be much better than someone tried to make it look. My fingers are crossed.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
01:13 / 04.06.08
I'm just saying I can too easily imagine a standard Hollywood version of the Genghis Khan story

Yes, I understand that.

But, this being the trailers thread, is that what you're getting from the trailer? Because TRAILERS are what we're talking about here.

If you think the trailer looks crass or shit or cheesy or whatever, then knock yourself out! Tell us why! Don't tell us that you assume someone who didn't make this particular movie would make this movie badly because you had the misfortune of seeing a bunch of other movies made by someone else.

IT'S THE TRAILER THREAD!
 
 
Tsuga
01:20 / 04.06.08
The hyperbolic music, the over fucking blown foley work, which is one of the things that sets my teeth on edge, and the standard whassisname trailer voice-over, make it look like a missed opportunity.
I will say that some of the cinematography and scenery looked good. Like I said, that trailer may be an attempt at making a "foreign" movie palatable.
How much more do you want? I can only say so much about a trailer.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:36 / 04.06.08
Re-reading, I don't entirely disagree with you about those elements, but I'm more inclined to see them as a problem with trailers in general. I don't see a problem with the content itself, but, as I said, I've got a fascination with Genghis Khan so I may just WANT it to be awesome.

It's interesting that you say it may be an attempt to make a foreign language film more palatable to a blockbuster audience- that was the impression I got. Now I'm trying to think of other English language trailers for foreign movies and whether they did the same thing, but I can't remember any.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
22:18 / 05.06.08
GONZO - a documentary on journalist Hunter Thompson. it seems only Sundance saw it so far.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:54 / 06.06.08
FUCK! That's Tadanobu Asano as Genghis Khan!

God, there's nothing that man can't do.
 
 
Spaniel
18:09 / 06.06.08
Can anybody get those new Dark Knight videos to work? For some reason both my work computer and my home computer can't do shit with 'em.
 
 
Spaniel
18:42 / 06.06.08
Ah, youtube is my friend
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
23:05 / 14.06.08
Punisher: War Zone's first teaser.

you know, this looks very good to me. now i want to watch Lexi Alexander's other flicks. never watched ROME, so was surprised by Ray Stevenson's deep voice here.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
14:09 / 17.06.08
- Dent?! I thought you were dead...
- Half.
 
 
Dead Megatron
15:22 / 17.06.08
Since we're doing The Dark Knight virals:
Gotham Tonight

So, is this all Anthony Michael Hall did when they mentioned he was doing a 'small part' or a 'cameo' in the film months ago? Or is he part of the movie as well?
 
 
Spaniel
08:46 / 19.06.08
Apparently he's part of the movie
 
 
Spaniel
17:56 / 25.06.08
Hardcore love for The Dark Knight from Rolling Stone

Want tickets.
 
  

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