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AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!!!!

 
  

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_Boboss
19:51 / 18.10.07


it's difficult to know about what to say hank the wank pym that mark millar hasn't already poked around at, other than 'good heavens that's a rubbish costume'. i think he's interesting, and more-or-less unique, in that he's a long-standing A-minus list supertype who's got more than one big-small/insect-themed costumed identity, and in fact has a whole wardrobe of them: giant-man, ant-man, yellowjacket, goliath, and dr. scarlet jumpsuit (are there others? that last look's twenty-plus years old now).

it'd be nice to have a book where he picks and chooses what he'll be battling evil in today, basing his look on perhaps his mood, or random impulses, or suitability for the job, and experimenting with combinations (giantjacket) and brave new original looks (big-hipster, ant-fucker).

i was going to talk about how he's probably the world's most famous two-dimensional spousal abuser, but i don't think that's really called for here. what has occurred to me, comparing his love of super-sartorial variety with his wife's famous fashion addiction, is the emphasis throughout the avengers on social status symbols (private jets, mansions, islands, servants - the core three are primarily empowered by their exclusive access to priceless fighting kit - quite odd for a superhero that, only green lantern otherwise really) and decidedly establishment-friendly characters. let's look at the origin. a bunch of very handsome upper-class types: the icon of the world's most proudly expensive military complex and embodiment of nationalistic zeal; a nordic god; a drinky drinky arms dealer/'industrialist' zillionaire (okay he wasn't drinky drinky at that stage, but); and a pair of overeducated new york socialites get together to beat up a geeky nuclear weapons designer who has outlived his profitability. the sports-team angle doesn't really work here, a posh golf club maybe, but it can certainly be made to fit with other units of social organisation: a court, an aristocracy, or perhaps a masonic lodge (as millar maybe hinted).

this fits quite nicely with the following schema:

avengers - rich upper classes
ff - middle class family (no butler for them, only labour saving gadgets)
x-men - social outcasts/underclass

those early bullpenners even gave us models of how the individual can interact with these established social codes:

spidey - immature individual, connected but subordinate to all groups
hulk - mature (i.e. self-directing) individual, connected but superior to all groups

and that's about as far as i got.
 
 
The Falcon
19:54 / 18.10.07
Forgive me, friend Thor, but I was kind of under the impression that HouseRoy was kind of responsible - cocreation of Iron Fist, who I find myself now wishing I'd gone, aside - for pretty much everything shit in modern superhero comics, to wit: continuity obsession and tedious rationales for why exciting stuff happened in Kirby comics. (The latter may have, in retrospect, been John Byrne - I'm trying to find that really upsetting page with Scarlet Witch and Simon thingy - search string, a thing of wonder in itself "byrne "simon williams" "scarlet witch" sexual" reveals it's in WCA #56 - ah, beauty) Kirby certainly disdained him, which is good enough for me normally.
 
 
The Falcon
20:01 / 18.10.07
There's a quite persuasive pseudoscience article out there about Pym's many identities and his evident affixed personality disorders; this is about as good as I could find, and I don't think it's the same one.
 
 
_Boboss
20:02 / 18.10.07
 
 
The Falcon
20:04 / 18.10.07


creepy fucking buddies
 
 
_Boboss
20:07 / 18.10.07
or


?
 
 
_Boboss
20:07 / 18.10.07
to me my x-post
 
 
The Natural Way
21:05 / 18.10.07
That guy and the heads up there reminds me of some creepy super-alternate of the very, very horrible Doom Patrol villain, Jim Dandy.
 
 
Dead Megatron
21:11 / 18.10.07
No DC references, please! Crossovers have been done to exhaustion in the 90s already...
 
 
This Sunday
21:58 / 18.10.07
Crossovers have been done to exhaustion in the 90s already...

Doesn't that mean the nostalgia sales should be ripe about now?
 
 
_Boboss
22:10 / 18.10.07
everyone knows that the only good reason for the invention of words and pictures is so goodies and baddies in daft costumes can fire lasers out their hands at each other and stuffeth. that is why crossovers are brilliant, as long as i don't have to buy them, and, backtracking a bit, why roy thomas' run on the avengers is brilliant.
 
 
Dead Megatron
23:22 / 18.10.07
Doesn't that mean the nostalgia sales should be ripe about now?

Not just yet. Maybe in 2010...
 
 
This Sunday
23:34 / 18.10.07
I'm so behind the times, I am in fact four or so years ahead of the current trends. I may just listen to Kula Shaker in public today.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:36 / 18.10.07
You know what this is?



This is the reason I am joining the Goddamn Champions.
 
 
Dead Megatron
23:53 / 18.10.07
And he wonders why no one emigrates to Latveria.
 
 
Saint Keggers
00:01 / 19.10.07
Puck: Died in New Avengers #16
Vindicator: Died in New Avengers #16
Major Mapleleaf: Died in New Avengers #16
Puck: Died in New Avengers #16

Why do Canadians go to the (New) Avengers to die?
 
 
This Sunday
00:04 / 19.10.07
Cheer up. Wolverine's in there virtually every issue. And will never fucking die. (For very long.) Of course, at this point, the crazy mutant may've naturalized over.
 
 
Saint Keggers
00:08 / 19.10.07
And will never fucking die.
Logan died along time ago...(tear drop)... on the inside.
 
 
Spaniel
08:32 / 19.10.07
PHASING IS ONE OF MY ABILITIES!

However

I'm not sure underclass works well for the X-Men given their enormous wealth. See their mansion, grounds, hypersonic jet, Cerebra, Danger Room, etc... and the fact that it all takes places in a what would seem to be an expensive fee paying school.
 
 
This Sunday
08:38 / 19.10.07
Underclass in the sense that no amount of money, do-gooding, social presence, or desperate attempts to pass will ever let them be the more prominent other works. At least to my mind.
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:40 / 19.10.07
Hang on, when has being unwelcome in the US ever stopped Doom walking in there and setting up lab? Never ever, that's when.

Doombot! DOOMBOT! Smack him Cage, smack him good.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:09 / 19.10.07
Besides, doesn't he have diplomatic immunity as monarch of Latveria? Although that shit didn't wash with Pinochet. Maybe the climate is changing for evil dictators of small nations...

The X-Men is a bit of a Harry Potter fantasy, isn't it? You are unpopular, shunned, hated and feared by an etcetera, but you are also cock-off rich, have loads of mates and superpowers. In terms of what that represents - an urban LGBT community?
 
 
Spaniel
09:25 / 19.10.07
COMPUTER BRAIN!

Well, I suppose it's a matter of scale to some degree. I mean, for much of the X-Men's run they've had the government and the public and the world and a bunch of supervillains and entire alien civilisations very much on their arses. So perhaps there's an argument that, despite all their wealth, in comparison to the forces they're fighting they are actually astonishingly (did you see what I did there!!?!!) under resourced, powerless and poor.

Of course, however, most folks fighting for their civil rights don't have the Phoenix on their side, or a guy who can mind control half the world, or a fella who is the best there is at what he does.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:21 / 19.10.07
I mean, for much of the X-Men's run they've had the government and the public and the world and a bunch of supervillains and entire alien civilisations very much on their arses.

_Exactly_ like the LGBT community.
 
 
Triplets
10:33 / 19.10.07
I talk to ants!

a fella who is the best there is at what he does

And what is that, pray tell?

I agree with Jarbrain when he says that the X-Men are, generally, a typical power fantasy. You're shunned and despised, but you're secretly sexy with really cool powers. If only the other kids at school/the office knew... The minority bit is just a kinky boot on the whole wangsty ensemble.

This is what Grant was getting at when he pointed out that, no, there's a shitload of mutants, they actually are superior and they've all got arses sculpted by Michaelangelo himself.

Anyway, why are we all talking about the X-Men when there's EVIL TO AVENGE?!

Jan?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
12:46 / 19.10.07
Who wants to see my new gun?



DOES ANYONE WANT TO SEE MY NEW GUN?????










Here it is.
 
 
Triplets
12:56 / 19.10.07
I wish I had a penis that gun.
 
 
Cowboy Scientist
12:56 / 19.10.07
Hey, Vision, aren't you forgetting your Super Emo Powers?


 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:02 / 19.10.07
Why cries the Vision?

He cries for his ever expanding waistline, held in by the cosmic girdle.
 
 
Katherine
13:03 / 19.10.07
You know guys..... you lot could help??

I mean I have been keeping KEG from smashing Barbelith for a few months now...a girl would like some superhero help you know
 
 
Triplets
13:10 / 19.10.07
Why does Vision cry?

Well, have we ever seen what skin colour he has? We assume it's red because of his face, but what if it's yellow?

Vision has a cleavage-hole.
 
 
Spaniel
13:27 / 19.10.07
I CAN CRY!
 
 
Haus Of Pain
14:52 / 19.10.07
Well I can chuck my shiled around and it doesn't break, it's indestructable. Well that's what it said on the box but you never know...I had an 'indestructable' flask on 3rd year camp at school, after I'd chucked it on the floor about 50 times it smashed. Fingers crossed though ey!

I don't want anyone to worry by the way, I can do other stuff, i'm not just a shield, I'm Captain America for frack sake.
 
 
Spaniel
14:59 / 19.10.07
I CRIED AT YOUR FUNERAL

I HAVE HUMAN EMOTIONS!
 
 
Haus of Mystery
15:03 / 19.10.07
You leak oil you stupid robot.

I hid my tears...

behind the mask!
 
  

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