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Char Aina
14:19 / 26.09.07
I felt a need to mention it because it was not mentioned by M. Beast as something she regretted, nor was it mentioned in any of the criticism levelled at the opening post.

I wanted to be clear that threatening to hate people is not helpful, something that had not been explicitly said, nor suggested in a way that I picked up on.

I take your point that it was probably didn't feel too nice to have it pointed out, and I'm sorry if that was the source of any pain for M. Beast.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:30 / 26.09.07
This really can stop now, yes?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:35 / 26.09.07
If we continue we'll talk via pm.
 
 
Char Aina
14:41 / 26.09.07
Agreed.
My apologies to M. Beast who is probably not enjoying the lasting effects of the post, effects that seem now have more to do with other people than her original words.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:14 / 26.09.07
OK, well I just tried to put a ban request in on the Darkmatter post in Convo linked to above, and got the "you do not have the necessary permissions" error message.

Has someone already done it, in which case why am I not getting a vote; has someone already done it and it's been vetoed, in which case why? or is something just not working properly? I'm wondering if the age of the post, or the different suitname or something is fucking it. OR I'm just not allowed to do this shit, which would, I guess, be fine, but again with the "why".
 
 
Spaniel
15:20 / 26.09.07
Yeah, if someone has done the banny thing in Convo please SAY SO.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:21 / 26.09.07
...or perhaps the problem is caused by the multiple ban requests. Which is a serious problem, insofar as it means he's pretty much immune from banning at this point unless we get a critical mass of mods from the other fora that have requested it already.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:41 / 26.09.07
I've okayed the Comics request, which seems to suggest that the age of the post isn't significant-- it's back from '04.

This is pointing, in my mind, toward mod duties being made more universal as opposed to the current forum-specific model.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:48 / 26.09.07
Does someone else want to try putting a request in in Convo, so's we can get a better idea of how this works?
 
 
grant
15:50 / 26.09.07
I'm just not allowed to do this shit, which would, I guess, be fine, but again with the "why".

Because threads moved to a new forum retain the permissions from the old one. That's what I remember, anyway.

By the way, there might be a problem with allowing admins to vote on bans, in that most admins (if more are added to the one-time roster of three) would already be likely to be moderators in several fora, and thus not adding a new number to a vote total.
 
 
grant
15:56 / 26.09.07
Hmm - well, I just did the thing to that Convo thread linked above. Let's see what happens now.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:58 / 26.09.07
True, but the people who used to be admins have had their duties scaled back - so, I don't moderate any of the fora in which the bannings have been proposed so far, for example.
 
 
charrellz
16:05 / 26.09.07
To get some data points here: I can see the banning request that grant made in convo, though I am not a convo mod. Not even going to pretend to fully understand this, but there's what I've got.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:05 / 26.09.07
Because threads moved to a new forum retain the permissions from the old one. That's what I remember, anyway.

Ah, so the "moving a thread to a forum with enough mods" work-around is also doomed to failure. Gotcha.

Yeah, I'm not getting a request either. Looks like you could be right. Hmm. Problem.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:38 / 26.09.07
I've just agreed the comics related ban request. It's now standing at either 4 or 5 in favour, not sure as I closed the tab.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:47 / 26.09.07
To get some data points here: I can see the banning request that grant made in convo, though I am not a convo mod. Not even going to pretend to fully understand this, but there's what I've got.

Weird...I've only seen the Comics one, so the code seems a little inconsistent.
 
 
grant
17:07 / 26.09.07
It's because that was a Temple thread - only Temple mods can see the request, even though the thread now resides in Convo.
 
 
The Falcon
17:20 / 26.09.07
I'm now 7/8 for the comicsban, but failing a couple more mods being appointed in Temple - which would actually be the quickest and simplest fix (I note Roy Medallion and Gypsy Lantern are not, presently, and I doubt anyone could seriously besmirch such a motion excepting either of the above - I think the former quit at one point?) - then this will probably happen again.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:50 / 26.09.07
Does DM have to be banned right now though, as a matter of urgency? As far as I know he hasn't posted anything in days.

I suppose it's fair enough to test out the system, but given DM's previous he's unlikely to be back much before Christmas, if then.
 
 
Olulabelle
18:28 / 26.09.07
I think it's become more of a practical issue. Although he might take umbrage if he pops by and sees all these failed attempts to ban him.

I have agreed the new ban request which I can see because I am a Temple mod.
 
 
electric monk
19:14 / 26.09.07
Just agreed the new one as well, which now stands at 5 of 8.
 
 
grant
20:03 / 26.09.07
I'm not seeing a new ban request. Has one gone through?
 
 
Spaniel
20:19 / 26.09.07
What a fucking shambles
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:21 / 26.09.07
Gosh, I hope someone with access to the board-code is following this and taking notes...
 
 
This Sunday
20:23 / 26.09.07
How would we know if the ban went through?

I've been wondering ever since the Comics ban came my way. Is it a case similar to traditional modding, where we just have to tell by the effects, or is there to be a little message eventually letting us know the ban happened?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:53 / 26.09.07
I was thinking the same thing- if not, we may never know, as the only time even Darkmatter'll know about it is if he turns up again in a few months time, and even then we'll get no indication.

Well, other than asking Tom, obviously, but I'm trying to sound dramatic here.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:01 / 26.09.07
Presumably, as this is the first case of banning with the new functionality in place, asking Tom would be a step along the way...

If nothing else, we've found a flaw in the new banning code and steps can be taken to correct it -- either by adjusting the code or adjusting the numbers of (active) mods per forum.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:10 / 26.09.07
What a fucking shambles

It's been terrible, it's true.

Even thinking about it starts the red mist ... boiling up in front of my eyes. Or is it my eyes themselves that are boiling, and the mist merely a special effect? Who knows?

I am just an old woman, with not very long to live.
SO STOP WASTING MY PRECIOUS FEW REMAINING MINUTES WITH YOUR PETTY MAUNDERINGS DAMN YOU.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:24 / 26.09.07
Could we perhaps just start deleting Alex's Grandma's posts to the Policy?
 
 
Tsuga
21:31 / 26.09.07
It's obvious you don't like all the banning bandwagon shit, Granny, but you've got to at least respect that many others feel justified and reasonable in wanting to ban this person, without attributing it to some bloodthirsty mob mentality. Not that you are explicit in saying that, but come on. No need to be a balloon knot.
 
 
Dead Megatron
21:55 / 26.09.07
Does DM have to be banned right now though, as a matter of urgency?

Woa, you scared me for a moment there. *phew*
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:26 / 26.09.07
It's obvious you don't like all the banning bandwagon shit, Granny, but you've got to at least respect that many others feel justified and reasonable in wanting to ban this person, without attributing it to some bloodthirsty mob mentality.

Well yes. The point is, after a hasty beginning, we casme to the conclusion discussion was needed. Discussion was then had, and the consensus was in favour of banning. Consensus may not always be right, but in the absence of much dissent, it's pretty much all we have to go on.

As I said much earlier, I didn't (and don't, really) much care for the attitude that says "wahay! We can ban people now! Let's get banning; it'll be AWESOME" which may or may not exist, and may or may not be down to my own misreading of the situation, but which I share your concerns about. I'd favour a more sensible discussion before drastic steps are taken.

The thing is, I'm pretty sure we've had that discussion now. As I say, consensus isn't always right (though in this case I'm totally on board), but what else can we go on, really? In the absence of T&Cs (which we STILL NEED, really quite badly, btw) consensus is the only game in town.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:52 / 26.09.07
Even thinking about it starts the red mist ... boiling up in front of my eyes. Or is it my eyes themselves that are boiling, and the mist merely a special effect? Who knows?

I am just an old woman, with not very long to live.
SO STOP WASTING MY PRECIOUS FEW REMAINING MINUTES WITH YOUR PETTY MAUNDERINGS DAMN YOU.


I should say that this is material that was composed, and posted, in my absence, while I was making my way to the Co-Op, and back.

I'm not trying to rock the Mr Hyde defence here; when I say that somebody else wrote it, I'm not so much talking about my alter-ego, or related, really.
 
 
Tsuga
00:09 / 27.09.07
I don't know what it says that I had no problem thinking that you had written that, but in any case- I'll retract my comments, sorry if it was unfair (and sorry for continuing digressions from the thread, also).
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
00:15 / 27.09.07
Well, that's tricky. If we ban whoever is breaking into your suit and impersonating you (v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-ly, natch), it might affect your ability to post as well. I'd hate to see innocents suffer, so how about if we just move to delete anything that seems uncharacteristic in the Policy, to whit not motivated by the concern for others and thoughtfulness that we have come to expect?
 
  

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