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What will the tories do today?

 
  

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Shiny: Well Over Thirty
18:31 / 18.07.07
If this was the tories second best option it might a long way to explaining why they seem so keen on letting Boris run.....
 
 
Quantum
13:54 / 20.07.07
Tories come in third in byelection, the drubbing will raise serious questions about Mr Cameron's leadership, not least because he spearheaded the Ealing campaign.

Haha, point and jeer!
 
 
imaginary mice
10:48 / 24.07.07
The A5 booklet has been produced in the style of a Haynes’s motoring manual, and is dubbed the “citizen’s repair manual”, illustrating social problems as if they were broken car components.

...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:44 / 24.07.07
It's good, but compare Lord Kalms, sadly not the inventor of the herbal happy pill, giving Cameron a friendly pat on the back while absent-mindedly holding a knife.

Meanwhile, David C. is also getting flak for leaving his flood-menaced constituency to go to Rwanda, although what use he would be there unless used as a sandbag I have no idea.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:03 / 31.07.07
A double bill: First up, Boris Johnson submits a suitably shambolic, old-Etonian last-minute bish job on his mayoral appplication, here, although this may not chart because it might actually endear him to voters who feel empathy for someone who clearly doesn't want to get the job he is applying for, but is worried that he will have his benefits cut if he doesn't apply.

More conventionally, Cameron is oiling up to wrestle his detractors.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:14 / 31.07.07
Gah, thanks for that mental image...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:30 / 30.08.07
"And I see your truuuue colours, shining through...."

"And I see your truuuuuue colours..."

Here's the question: does David Cameron's panicky, near-total abandonment of his nice guy, liberal-friendly, green sandals image in favour of backing Boris for Mayor, joining in the hysterical frenzy about Britain's KnifeGun Culture!!11!, and banging on again about teh immigrants scare people, or does it reassure you that the Tories are doomed to utter failure again?
 
 
Tsuga
22:55 / 30.08.07
I don't know if everyone has heard about the ruckus over Senator Larry Craig, and his apparent activities. I have conflicting feelings in these situations, I want a hypocrite to get caught out, and I'm satisfied in a way when it happens, but I know that so many people are repressed, conflicted, wracked by guilt closet homosexual homophobes, and it's sad. Like the whole Ted Haggarty thing, and his "cure".
But, it's another blow against the republicans, so that's a bright side.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
00:03 / 31.08.07
Yeah, that's a problem. If only there was a way of showing up the hypocrisy of the system, and not the individual, who, much as he might have caused others to suffer, is also (probably) suffering himself.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:32 / 31.08.07
With regard to Boris J, there's an article by Andrew Gilligan in today's Evening Standard which suggests the loveable old duffer's been subject to something of a smear campaign of late.

Apparently the "Labour pressure group Compass", has produced a report which "condemns Johnson's support for the Iraq war, nuclear power, more private finance in the NHS, and large-scale cuts to the civil service ... without saying these are also Labour Party policy."

The report apparently goes on to accuse Boris of being a "fanatical" backer of the Iraq war, in spite of his pre-war statements that "if we are really concerned about the weapons of mass destruction than let the UN process work itself through", that the Blair government's position on the WMD question was "cynical and ludicrous", and that George W Bush is a "cross-eyed warmonger" and a "maniac".

The article's on This Is London Evening Standard under 'How Boris Quotes Were Spun (sorry, I've yet to master links to text') and it does seem as if this alleged member of the "Tory hard right" has been fairly heavily, and selectively, misrepresented.

For example, he's apparently quoted as saying "Not only did I want to Bush to win, but we threw the entire weight of the Spectator behind him". What the report fails to mention, though, is that this quote comes from a piece in which Boris expresses his bitter regret for the decision.

I'm not saying that either Andrew Gilligan or the Evening Standard are unimpeachably reliable sources, but equally, I'm not sure I believe everything the Guardian or the friends of Ken Livingstone have to say on the subject of the big J either.

Johnson, meanwhile had this to say; "I think it is an abuse of the human rights of Ken's supporters that they have been obliged to read all my books. But I do very much hope they can be persuaded to continue with this risible line of attack."
 
 
Pingle!Pop
08:56 / 04.09.07
Compass themselves comprehensively document exactly how much rubbish the Evening Standard is talking here.

However, what particularly strikes me from the above is this:

Apparently the "Labour pressure group Compass", has produced a report which "condemns Johnson's support for the Iraq war, nuclear power, more private finance in the NHS, and large-scale cuts to the civil service ... without saying these are also Labour Party policy."

Which seems a pretty desperate line of attack, because - well, what on earth do Labour have to do with anything? Compass does not describe itself as a "Labour pressure group" - the only way it matches this description is not as a "pressure group on behalf of Labour" but "a group pressuring Labour", i.e. to adopt more letftist policies. And yes, of course Labour support the Iraq war, nuclear power, privatisation, civil service cuts etc., but I can't see how that is in any way relevant to an argument against Johnson and in favour of Livingstone, who doesn't support any of the above.

AG, if you have any arguments as to what prevents Johnson from fitting the description "hard right racist beast", I'd like to hear them; realising years later that supporting Bush and the Iraq occupation wasn't a great move doesn't, in my mind, cut it.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:35 / 04.09.07
From that Compass rebuttal, because it's worth quoting:

Before going on to the few detailed points the article does try to dispute we may note that the Evening Standard does not attempt to deny the great bulk of the material in the Compass dossier. Among other things that means admitting:

1. Boris Johnson supported the Iraq war
2. Boris Johnson supported both the election of George W Bush in 2000 and his re-election in 2004.
3. Boris Johnson opposed the Kyoto treaty on climate change and supported George Bush’s opposition to it
4. Boris Johnson strongly supports nuclear power
5. Boris Johnson, on more than one occasion, talked about black people as ‘picaninnies’, he has referred to Africans as having ‘watermelon smiles’, and claimed that the original inhabitants of Uganda were capable of only ‘instant carbohydrate gratification’.
6. Boris Johnson said that in South Africa under Nelson Mandela there was established the ‘majority tyranny of black rule’
7. Boris Johnson was prepared to discuss with Darius Guppy, who was later convicted of fraud, having a journalist Stuart Collier beaten up
8. Boris Johnson opposed the introduction of the national minimum wage
9. Boris Johnson opposed full pension rights for part time workers
10. Boris Johnson is against the Social Chapter of the EU and against its provision on paternity leave.
11. Boris Johnson is opposed to the congestion charge
12. Boris Johnson supports both fox and stag hunting
13. Boris Johnson opposed the repeal of Section 28 and Labour’s ‘appalling agenda’ of the teaching of homosexuality in schools’.


The other thing to bear in mind is that even if Johnson is the best possible version of him that has been painted - that is to say, a bumbling, apolitical clown - he is still looking to be the Tory candidate, and he will be running on a platform that is designed to appeal to voters who are dissatisfied with Ken Livingstone because their perception is that he is too left-wing, too liberal, too soft on crime, too much a champion of London's multi-culturalism. Because Ken has dared to tax the rich of Kensington and Chelsea, because he is not sufficiently Islamophobic, because he meets with and supports Hugo Chavez, because he does things like issue an official apology for London's role in the slave trade whilst the Labour government will not. To a large extent this perspective is accurate - Ken Livingstone, while far from perfect and clearly an egotist in the way so many mayors of major capital cities in the UK and US are, is genuinely to the left of the government, and genuinely more representative of the good things about London than a pessimist might hope for (compare, say, New York's last couple of mayors). His willingness to fly in the face of the ugliest kinds of mainstream media and public opinion represents what makes London a haven for so many people fleeing the backward ignorance of small towns and Middle England.

Whereas Boris? Boris is seen as the prefered alternative by all those fuckers who live outside of London and write letters to the Evening Standard or the shitty free papers they read as they commute in and out, in which they lambast Ken for crying about slavery and demand the repeal of the Human Rights Act, an even more racialised stop and search policy and "zero tolerance" (whatever that means). The idea of him (or anyone supported by the people who see Livingstone as thoroughly PC-gone-mad) becoming mayor terrifies me - it would feel like some last pillar crumbling.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:11 / 05.09.07
Hear, hear.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
01:14 / 06.09.07
AG, if you have any arguments as to what prevents Johnson from fitting the description "hard right racist beast", I'd like to hear them; realising years later that supporting Bush and the Iraq occupation wasn't a great move doesn't, in my mind, cut it.

Well possibly not, but it's better than still being in favour, surely? The fact that Boris no longer is seems to put him a bit to the left of Gordon Brown. Which wouldn't necessarily mean that Boris isn't a hard right politician, admittedly.

I'm not saying I'll be voting Johnson, of course; just that his candidacy should stand or fall on what he thinks in '07. If that's a disgrace, and I suppose there's an outside chance that it might be, well, fair enough; one way or the other, I wonder if Compass weren't being a bit mean to him.
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
01:22 / 06.09.07
Quite.
Moreover, the frightening thing is that even in quasi-left-wing*/student-consensus-apolitical circles, Boris is seen as a clown-like figure - to criticise him is to lack a sense of humour. Andrew "Cock" Gilligan's recent Guardian column asserts "As for mention of "piccanninies" and "watermelon smiles"**, Johnson's remarks...were plainly satirical". Which is odd, because my (flawed) understanding is that this isn't even common modern racist parlance. This is the sort of thing you might expect in 'Billy Bunter and the (fucking) Cannibals"*** - it's not "dear old" Boris being a daring (though of course "in bad taste") wit, it's simply the hallmark of a man who is the product of a deeply corrupt system (Eton-Oxford-~Bullingdon Club-Conservative Party) and simply has little or no contact with the reality the rest of us inhabit. Attempting to get back to the point I was trying to make before getting sick into my own scorn, disliking Boris is seen (amongst an admittedly limited
sample group) as lacking a sense of humour. The idea that the racist shite this toad has spewed is anything other than his self-earmarking as a useless, outdated reactionary...well, Tory is frighteningly prevalent.
Possibly, this is a case of mistaking political irrelevance and incompetance for jovial buffoonery and getting one's political opinions from Have I Got News For You, but nevertheless...

(NOTE: If this is drivel, please delete.)
(NOTE THE SECOND: Does anyone else imagine this thread to be called "Observe-a-Tory", or should I just be shot?)


*I might go so far as to use the term "champagne socialist", but that would require me to describe these people as socialists. Which would rankle rather, and probably result in Pinocchioesque nasal elongation.
**Not really productive, but, FOR FUCK'S FUCKING SAKE.
***A book I have, thankfully, not seen a copy of for some years. Yes, I used to have one, yes, it was given to me by grandparents. I was eight. I'm sorry, ok?
 
 
Pingle!Pop
13:48 / 06.09.07
AG, I honestly often find myself unsure as to when you're expressing sincere opinions and when you're writing "in-character" spoofs. I'd like to think that I wonder if Compass weren't being a bit mean to him is the latter, but my instinctive impression is that it's more a bit of both - a sincere opinion written with a bit of "old dear" whimsical flair. Is this characterisation correct, or am I way off?

Anyway. As to "what [Johnson] thinks in '07" (I'm loathe to use the name "Boris" on its own because it seems to me one part of his whole loveable-buffoon schtick), Petey above has provided a list taken from the Compass rebuttal-of-the-rebuttal article of facts about him that remain indisputed. The rest of Gilligan's Johnson-fantasies are addressed in the full article, if you care to click through.

And on Johnson's positioning on the Iraq war, I'm unable to find a copy online of the editorial in which he renounces his hawkishness, but:

a) I suspect his regret comes from rather a different place to Livingstone's objections, and certainly wouldn't have ever occurred to him had the position two years after invasion not been so undeniably horrendous (either from a hard right view - one which is all about Britain's interests in the region or security - or from a less-right-wing view that sees over a million Iraqis dead and millions more displaced as a Rather Bad Thing), and
b) Even if this is not the case (which seems unlikely, given Johnson's other "colonialism yay!" positions), anyone who would support the war - and fervently so - in the first place is, as far as I'm concerned, disgustingly right wing.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
22:40 / 06.09.07
I'd like to think that I wonder if Compass weren't being a bit mean to him is the latter, but my instinctive impression is that it's more a bit of both - a sincere opinion written with a bit of "old dear" whimsical flair. Is this characterisation correct, or am I way off?

I wouldn't say so, no.

I don't honestly know what Johnson stands for. And I dare say he's a bit conflicted himself - either way, it would hardly be the first time a candidate for the mayorship of London performed a political three point turn in pursuit of high office, Ken Livingstone, these days, being quite different from the firebrand rebel he used to be.

Johnson's views about 'watermelon smiles' etc, are obviously terrible. To be clear, I'm very much against him, it's just that I can't bear the likes of 'Compass' very much either.

The debate as to Who Is The Best Mayor should be conducted on the basis of the candidates' manifesto, rather than all this material in the papers.

When I vote against Boris Johnson (as much as I find his antics mildly-ish entertaining) I like to think it'll be on the basis of his cycling, and so on, rather than a stich-up job by a series of aspiring policy wonks.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
11:13 / 07.09.07
The debate as to Who Is The Best Mayor should be conducted on the basis of the candidates' manifesto, rather than all this material in the papers.

Except that "all this material in the papers" and the "stich-up job by a series of aspiring policy wonks" are based on the fact that Johnson has a record, from his writing and his votes in parliament. And that record makes it very clear that he is a piece of dirt.

If by "on the basis of the candidates' manifesto[s]" you mean that only what they explicitly pledge with regards to the mayoral race should be paid attention to, and anything they've ever done or said before should be completely ignored... well, I find that quite a bizarre proposition, but even so I can't imagine Johnson (when he releases a manifesto) would come very well out of it. He is, after all, the (presumed) Tory candidate, and to be a Tory in itself says some pretty horrible things about a person.

The last I heard, there was a poll out giving Johnson a six-point lead in the race. Given that the politics of London overall are far to the left of his own, I somewhat doubt these results come entirely from people with full knowledge of his record. So, I'd like more "stitch-up jobs" and "material in the papers", please, to let people know exactly where Johnson stands.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
00:22 / 08.09.07
The last I heard, there was a poll out giving Johnson a six-point lead in the race

A poll conducted by whom, though, and who were they asking?

If Boris J does this election, Mr P, I will not only eat my hat, but also change my board ID to 'I, The Worm', or suffer in any other verifiable way that seems appropriate.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
12:03 / 08.09.07
Ms. Please to not assume gender; it makes me feel acutely uncomfortable.

Here's a rubbish article referencing the poll giving Johnson a lead; it was a YouGov poll. I don't expect Johnson to win in the end at all, but I do think that in order to prevent him from doing so, it would help if people actually knew what his views are. Thus, I'm not seeing the objections to the "stitch-up jobs".
 
 
Alex's Grandma
03:22 / 11.09.07
Ms. Please to not assume gender; it makes me feel acutely uncomfortable.

My sincere apologies; I shouldn't have done so, and won't again.

But as far as the Johnson election ticket goes, he has been, apparently, fairly aggressively edited. But even if he's still as gung-ho about the war in Iraq as Compass would have us believe, does that make him an intolerable candidate? Ken Livingstone, for all he might have registered his objections, has yet to leave the Labour party for reasons of conscience, so what's the difference, really?

I suppose the sad truth of the matter is that one of the empty beer cans I'm currently gazing at could make a perfectly decent fist of the mayorship of London, to the extent that any of the present candidates could, and that if this was possible, I wouldn't bother to vote for it, either.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:38 / 11.09.07
This has been covered above, Granny.

the Evening Standard does not attempt to deny...

5. Boris Johnson, on more than one occasion, talked about black people as ‘picaninnies’, he has referred to Africans as having ‘watermelon smiles’, and claimed that the original inhabitants of Uganda were capable of only ‘instant carbohydrate gratification’.
6. Boris Johnson said that in South Africa under Nelson Mandela there was established the ‘majority tyranny of black rule’
...
8. Boris Johnson opposed the introduction of the national minimum wage
9. Boris Johnson opposed full pension rights for part time workers
10. Boris Johnson is against the Social Chapter of the EU and against its provision on paternity leave.
11. Boris Johnson is opposed to the congestion charge
12. Boris Johnson supports both fox and stag hunting
13. Boris Johnson opposed the repeal of Section 28 and Labour’s ‘appalling agenda’ of the teaching of homosexuality in schools’.


These are all valid reasons to vote for Livingstone rather than Johnson, and if you want to make a case that they are not, please make a case for why any individual point is either factually untrue or not a bad thing.
 
 
Thorn Davis
10:17 / 12.09.07
Is Boris Johnson's position on fox and stag hunting really a valid reason to vote against him as mayor of London? I didn't realise fox and stag hunting was such a crucial issue in the city. I suppose before Livingstone you could barely get across Leicester Square without risking being trampled by a hunt. Maybe he's going to legalise stag hunting throughout the Barbican centre... or maybe... it's not really an issue that's relevant to the job in question.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:24 / 12.09.07
I don't think the idea that people consider candidates' positions on national or international issues when voting for local politicians is particularly strange, Thorn.
 
 
Thorn Davis
10:41 / 12.09.07
Maybe not strange, but in this case it's completely irrelevant. If you were voting for your local MP in Henley, then yes, I suppose your stance on fox hunting might be important because the MP might be called upon to vote on that issue, but as Mayor of London Boris would probably be less able to affect the laws on fox and stag hunting than he is currently.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:09 / 12.09.07
Well, if Ken Livinsgstone believed passionately in a political belief I found repugnant, then even if it were not directly relevant to his duties as Mayor of London, it might affect whether or not I wanted to vote for him, for what it said about the character and attitudes of the man for whom I would be voting. In much the same way, it really does not matter whether Johnson has described black people as having "watermelon smiles" at some point in the past, or opposed the EU social charter, in terms of whether or not one should vote for him as Mayor of London, except insofar as we can draw inferences from that about what he might do as Mayor of London.

So, in this case, one might conclude that his support of fox and stag hunting indicates that his constituency and concerns are those of the land-owning rural classes, and not those of the largely landless urban classes he will be expected to represent as Mayor of London. This may be a just and fair inference, or it may not, but it is an inference, correct or not, which might have implications for whether or not one would vote for him. One might also simply dislike intensely, or indeed support whole-heartedly, people who are in favour of hunting foxes with hounds, and so that datum about his voting record might sway one's vote based on how one feels generally about the character of hunt supporters.

Put another way: if Nick Griffin stood for the Mayor's post, it might not be unreasonable to think about things he has said and done before standing for the mayor's post, even if they would not necessarily be directly applicable to his duties as mayor.
 
 
Thorn Davis
11:47 / 12.09.07
Put another way: if Nick Griffin stood for the Mayor's post, it might not be unreasonable to think about things he has said and done before standing for the mayor's post, even if they would not necessarily be directly applicable to his duties as mayor.

I don't think that's an effective analogy in the slightest because the unpleasantries Nick Griffin has dealt in would actually be directly applicable to his duties as mayor of the most ethnically diverse city in the world. You may as well say "If you put Harold Shipman in charge of the medicine dosage in an old people's home it might not be unreasonable to think about things he's done in the past, even if they're not directly applicable to the role." It's useless because in one instance the issue is irrelevant, and in the other it's right at the forefront of the role.

The way that Shaftoe presents the information "Boris was pro fox-hunting, this is a valid reason to vote against him" is an oversimplication of an complicated issue and the conclusions you've suggested drawing from an inadequate piece of information are lazy and flawed. You say it may be just and fair or it may not, as though it doesn't matter, but if it's not just, not fair then it's also not a valid reason.

Because fox hunting itself isn't an issue for the Mayor of London, then yes, the only value of that information is the concernthat somehow it might affect other policies... like... I don't know what the fear is here... but maybe child hunting or something like that. However! For that to be the case you'd need to know a lot more about his reasons for standing up for fox and stag hunting. Does he just hate small things? Is he blinded by tradition? Was he fighting for the economic interests of the community that elected him? Did he feel it would be hypocritical to ban fox hunting in the face of the millions of obese pets kept in cities that suffer on a greater scale and for longer than animals in hunts? Is he willing to stand up for something that sees him vilified in certain sections because he feels it's in the best interest of his electorate? Maybe he just felt 700 hours of parliament time on foxhunting would be a waste of resources? Who knows? But you can't really make assumptions on what someone's stance in a debate means unless you also take into account their reasoning. Consequently, stating "He voted 'no' on this issue, which won't even be relevant" isn't really a valid reason - it's too simplistic.

I also think it's a red herring to keep aligning a debate with convincing arguments on both sides with simplistic racial slurs like 'watermelon smiles' and Nick Griffin's stance on immigrants and ethnicity. If someone takes a different stance to you on a complex debate (especially as, in this instance their opinion on the matter won't actually matter), it doesn't mean they should be automatically maligned in the same way as if they're issuing racist comments founded in ignorance.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:07 / 12.09.07

I don't think that's an effective analogy in the slightest because the unpleasantries Nick Griffin has dealt in would actually be directly applicable to his duties as mayor of the most ethnically diverse city in the world.


Not _all_ of them. Any belief he has about national immigration policy, for example, would be utterly irrelevant - as irrelevant as Boris Johnson's position on fox hunting. In fact, as Mayor of London it would be far less relevant to his duties than it would be as leader of the BNP. So, no. If we cannot make general character judgements based on support for particular positions, as you go on to say that we cannot with your lengthy set of possible reasons to have voted against a ban on fox hunting, then your comparison with Shipman is inapt.

Moving on. I'm quite happy to agree that his stance on fox hunting will not make a huge amount of difference to my decision on whether or not he would make a good mayor of London. Can we talk about Clause 28, South Africa, the Social Contract? None of those have an immediate impact on his likely duties as mayor of London, but they do make me question his fitness as a recipient of my vote. How about the congestion charge? That's an actual matter of policy highly relevant to the duties of a London Mayor. Would that make an allowable difference to one's decision on where to place one's vote? Is it specifically and solely fox hunting you have a problem with as a potential identifier of character?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:08 / 12.09.07
I also think it's a red herring to keep aligning a debate with convincing arguments on both sides with simplistic racial slurs like 'watermelon smiles' and Nick Griffin's stance on immigrants and ethnicity. If someone takes a different stance to you on a complex debate (especially as, in this instance their opinion on the matter won't actually matter), it doesn't mean they should be automatically maligned in the same way as if they're issuing racist comments founded in ignorance.

Sorry, I don't actually understand what you're saying here, I'm getting the impression that you don't think the comment 'watermelon smiles' is betraying a stance on ethnicity. Am I wrong?
 
 
Thorn Davis
12:27 / 12.09.07
Is it specifically and solely fox hunting you have a problem with?

Yes. I didn't think it deserved to be on the same list as, for example, his comments on Labour’s ‘appalling agenda of the teaching of homosexuality in schools’.

Sorry, I don't actually understand what you're saying here, I'm getting the impression that you don't think the comment 'watermelon smiles' is betraying a stance on ethnicity. Am I wrong?

I can see why that was unclear. Basically, I think that, due to the complex nature of the debate it's a mistake to suggest that supporting fox-hunting is an automatic black mark. Consequently it shouldn't be assigned the same status as 'watermelon smile', or Nick Griffin's policies, both of which are impossible to adequately defend.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
12:30 / 12.09.07
5. Boris Johnson, on more than one occasion, talked about black people as ‘picaninnies’, he has referred to Africans as having ‘watermelon smiles’, and claimed that the original inhabitants of Uganda were capable of only ‘instant carbohydrate gratification’.

If this is how he thinks about people in Africa, it is probably how he thinks about black people in England, as most racist opinion seems to consider black people in England to be all the same, and all the same as Africans. As Mayor he would be affecting the lives of many black Londoners.

6. Boris Johnson said that in South Africa under Nelson Mandela there was established the ‘majority tyranny of black rule’
...


This shows a poor grasp of history and backs up my annotation to point 5 above.

8. Boris Johnson opposed the introduction of the national minimum wage

Suggests he doesn't care about the people who would have to draw the minimum wage. Many of the Londoners he would be affecting are members of this economic group.

9. Boris Johnson opposed full pension rights for part time workers

See above.

10. Boris Johnson is against the Social Chapter of the EU and against its provision on paternity leave.

Many people in London are fathers.

11. Boris Johnson is opposed to the congestion charge

London traffic is horrible and pollutes the air, the congestion charge is a good idea and should remain.

12. Boris Johnson supports both fox and stag hunting

This might not affect Londoners, but it suggests that he has "connections", as it were.

13. Boris Johnson opposed the repeal of Section 28 and Labour’s ‘appalling agenda’ of the teaching of homosexuality in schools’.

No-one in London in the 21st century should have to suffer the sort of attitude Johnson displays here.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:04 / 12.09.07
Ah, I see. So, that isn't about Boris Johnson's electability as a whole, but about the ethics of a ban on hunting with dogs, or of judging people because of their support of or opposition to that ban. Fair enough. I certainly don't find his position on fox hunting relevant to his campaign to be Mayor of London, and I can see why one might, if one supported the hunting of foxes but did not support the maintenance of Clause 28, it would be annoying to see the two positions on the same list. On the other hand, the broad thrust of the release - that Boris Johnson may appear cuddly but votes and talks down the line as if he is a right-wing Conservative, does make the comparison sensible to an extent. So, the opposition to a ban on hnting with dogs is not immediately relevant to his potential duties as Mayor of London, but serves to illustrate a general sympathy in voting with right-wing conservatives in the Commons.

Mind you, there are plenty of people out there who would see both support for fox hunting, support for Clause 28 and/or opposition to the Social Contract as positive reasons to support Boris Johnson, even if there were not directly aplicable to his duties as mayor, on grounds of character.

So, I guess the risk that Compass takes is that it might actually make BJ more desirable as a candidate by making peple aware of positions towards which they are sympathetic.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:44 / 15.09.07
There is always the question of urban fox hunting, though were such a thing to really take off it would be unlikely to involve several dozen horses with dogs charging down the Kings Road at full gallop.
 
 
_pin
21:07 / 27.09.07
Well. Now that the Tories have decided that they're now 4DaKidz and put Johnson up for the Mayoral position, on a platform of "working with the boroughs," can someone please tell me what the discrepancies between the number of constituencies in each borough are, and which demographics would be disproportionately represented in a boroughs-led solution to housing, etc.

(I think I might know already).
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:08 / 01.10.07
Well, now. They do finally have some policies... Tax cuts, but not as we know them...: A flurry of announcements over the past few days has included pledges to scrap stamp duty for first-time buyers on homes up to £250,000, give tax breaks to some couples with children and introduce a new airline pollution tax.

Mr Osborne said the tax cuts would be paid for by a £25,000 levy on so-called non-domiciles - people who live in this country but who do not pay tax on the money they make abroad.


The interesting thing about inheritance tax in this context is that it doesn't affect the very rich, who don't pay it. It can hit people just over the threshold very hard. (Stephen Byers proposed dropping the tax as a Labour policy here, possibly to annoy Gordon Brown: The response from Mr Darling and the Treasury was emphatic. "It may make for a headline, but I don't think it makes for a prudent tax and spend policy," Mr Darling said. "Inheritance tax brings in about £3bn a year and if you get rid of it it follows that some other tax has got to go up or you've got to cut public spending, on health and education for example.")

Inheritance Tax is a curiosity to me, because it seems to limit the social mobility of families, and discourage people from saving in their later years. It may be appealing in terms of social justice as an idea, but I'm not persuaded that it creates actual social justice in practice. Making it harder to pass acquired wealth from one generation to another places greater emphasis on 'self' - I'm not sure that's a good thing at all. Does the tax represent a desire that people should cease to prefer their own families above those of others? And if so, what are the consequences of that, and of the state's involvement in such a fundamental issue at a micro level?

They have many more policies, alas most of them a bit annoying, but I can't discuss them properly because the Conservative Party website won't load properly. Marvelous. And then again, there was this little gem the other day. It does seem to be business as usual at Tory HQ. And the front bench still looks like the Eton annual dinner.
 
  

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