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What will the tories do today?

 
  

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All Acting Regiment
08:50 / 10.11.07
Fuck off, Cameron. What that is, is student-bait. The idea is to throw around some well-known names in the hopes that various vaguely educated people might bite.
 
 
imaginary mice
10:23 / 11.01.08
Sorry, this is a link to a tabloid site. But it’s worth it.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:12 / 11.01.08
Cameron strikes out again
Protest scuppers Cameron's plan to re-create iconic Smiths photo

By Allison Martin 11/01/2008

And heaven knows the trendy-youth-vote-chasing, publicity-seeking Tory leader is miserable now...

David Cameron's desperate bid to boost his street cred by re-creating an iconic photo of The Smiths outside Salford Lads Club was scuppered by protesters yesterday.

Mr Cameron - who reckons he is a huge fan of the legendary 80s band - visited the club on a whistle-stop tour of Salford.

But he was sent packing by demonstrators with placards that read "Salford Lads Not Eton Snobs" and "On Your Bike Cameron".
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Matthew Mold, 26, from Salford, said: "This visit is disgraceful. What have the Tories ever done for working-class families?"

Earlier, Mr Cameron opened a new gym set up by boxer Amir Khan in Bolton. Well, he is known for his below-the-belt tactics...

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Cameron once told Radio 1 his iPod carries tracks by The Smiths, Radiohead, Pulp, Blur, Bob Dylan, "a lot of reggae" and The Killers
 
 
Alex's Grandma
08:59 / 26.03.08
So, Boris J.

Could the bumbling, straw-haired, hard right oaf be the next mayor of London? And if so, what difference would it make?

He gets my vote because nothing would make me happier, in 2012, than to see the Olympics turn out to be an utter disaster. London is not a sporty town, so I think it would be all right if it, run by Johnson, let the world down. The Olympics being what they are.

Livingstone, on the other hand, seems like he's going to make an effort.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:47 / 26.03.08
(I'm not really going to vote Boris though; it'll be the usual listless high five to the Green party, and the Lib Dems)
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:30 / 26.03.08
Stop Boris is pretty good explaining how bad Boris' plans actually are. I'm thinking of reluctantly voting for Ken with my second vote to the Greens.
 
 
Pingle!Pop
16:06 / 26.03.08
Apart from asking, "Why not Respect?", I'm wondering why Ken as first choice then Greens? As far as I'm aware giving the Greens your first vote and then putting Ken down second has the same effect in practical prevention of Borishorror.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:52 / 26.03.08
You mean the Left List, as the SWP-backed split-off of Respect, post-comedy-Left-Wing-split-into-factions-people's-popular-front-of -Judaea shennanigans, is called on the ballot paper? Or is there a Galloway candidate waiting in the wings?
 
 
Pingle!Pop
17:18 / 26.03.08
Galloway's now Respect Renewal, I believe, because he wasn't allowed to keep the name as his faction instigated the split.

Last time I checked Lindsey German was going under the Respect name, but I've just now looked at the Respect website, and yeah, it says Left List, although in some places it says Respect Left List.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:27 / 26.03.08
It's incredibly amusing - Linda Smith is the elected nomination officer for Respect, and as such also in the eyes of the Electoral Commission for the splinter parties. As such, it can't be called Respect without her permission. I'm not sure for how long this genius situation can continue, alas, so bed down for Real Respect and Continuity Respect (which will get a lot of mistaken votes from comics fans).
 
 
Alex's Grandma
04:25 / 02.05.08
I respect no one, including myself, so today I voted for Johnson. I voted for Change. How much worse could things possibly be in London?

I was brave enough, I think, to try and find out. But maybe it was a bad decision. I don't know.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
04:34 / 02.05.08
The main thing, hopefully, is that I didn't 'cock-block' anyone.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
06:51 / 02.05.08
I was told that you flipped a coin and voted for our Ken.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
14:49 / 02.05.08
Well, that's true. The coin is a better man than I, perhaps.

I would have voted Johnson if the coin had told me to though. It would have been one in the eye for Gordon Brown.

The irony of this is that I don't think Gordon's doing too badly as PM. He seems fatally divided against himself, a former backseat driver who's a bit terrified now he's at the wheel, but at least he isn't in everyone's face the whole time, like the Blairs were. And the Camerons would be

He seems worn-out and broken, not a lot more than a barely-there skull in a lot of the photos, so the coin did the right thing, I think.

Though I doubt London under Johnson, if it happens, will be very different. I just hope he does nothing, puts his hush puppies on the desk and gets wrecked for the next four years. London would get by somehow, I suppose.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
09:51 / 04.05.08
I have to use a train to get to work everyday.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:08 / 08.05.08
Dumb Boris Plan No #1: An impossible to enforce ban on drinking alcohol on the tube...

What will the wacky funster come up with next?
 
 
DecayingInsect
17:40 / 08.05.08
No doubt the ascendancy of Boris is lamentable, but is there anything specifically 'Tory' about this ban? The government had similar plans a few years back (they were opposed by the Tories and Lib Dems).

On several occasions I've been on buses, the tube or trains when inebriated or otherwise intoxicated passengers have engaged in harassing and/or intimidatory behavior, but no one has done anything, presumably owing to the fear of being assaulted.

Low-level antisocial behavior isn't the end of the world, certainly, but I'd guess that it's got to the point there's electoral mileage at least in promising to crack down on it, regardless of the practicalities and underlying causes. Expect more on this from Cameron's opportunistic crew.
 
 
penitentvandal
17:16 / 09.05.08
Well, especially since it's the same wheeze the Smiler and his crew used to get in...
 
 
Whisky Priestess
18:19 / 09.05.08
Well there's posters all over the place now warning people about the pending tube booze ban (starting June 1) which I find it very, very hard to believe Boris has had drawn up and implemented in the last week or so, so I suspect it was something TfL was planning anyway and would have happened had even St. Paddick got in.

I've got to say I don't mind it, seeing that a drunken-rowdy-cocks on public transport ban would be even more unworkable. But prepare for a lot of "Evian" and "iced tea" being belted from strong-smelling refilled bottles ...
 
 
mashedcat
18:27 / 09.05.08
lets do drug screens on all parliamentarians .
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:40 / 10.05.08
DecayingInsect, for living memory lawanorder has not been particularly Tory or Labour but Authoritarian, with occasional touches of whoever was running things at the time (Tories claiming to cut red tape, Labour wanting ID Cards).
 
 
DecayingInsect
10:00 / 10.05.08
All very true: but note that "A neighbourhood I feel safe in" is up there in their latest
weirdly solipsistic clutch of vote-mongering slogans.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:01 / 25.05.08
It does rather seem as though a vote for Boris Johnson was a vote for a figurehead, while others do the actual work.
 
 
Anna de Logardiere
20:12 / 25.05.08
I find the summary of this thread a little depressing now. Could we change it?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:35 / 13.06.08
David Davis (who, and I'll never tire of bringing this up, wants to bring back capital punishment) has stood down as an MP in order to trigger a by-election in his constituency as a referendum on the Government's 42 days policy. This seems to be a misuse of the democratic process and also fairly pointless, being Conservative since 1983 it would unlikely to swing away from an inexplicably resurgent Tory party now, even if David Davis were instead claiming it was going to be a referendum on whether old ladies should be punched repeatedly in the face whilst young children were thrown into rivers in sacks.

The Lib Dems aren't going to field a candidate because they agree with Davis, the BNP aren't going to field a candidate because they agree with Davis but The Sun might field a candidate because they think Davis is a terrorist appeasing pinkie liberal for not supporting indefinate detention for anyone the Government doesn't like. Labour have yet to say, though I would have thought they'd get a fraction more respect for boycotting the process and claiming they aren't going to play Davis' game rather than stand in a constituency that they can't win.
 
 
The Idol Rich
09:41 / 13.06.08
Yeah, agreed, this all seems totally pointless. I have to say that I would be fairly amused if it all backfired with the Sun's candidate (Kelvin McKenzie!) winning on his - actually surprisingly popular with the electorate - even longer detention platform. I guess the joke would soon wear off though.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:39 / 13.06.08
David Davis is hardly a sympathetic character. However, taking a look at the facts, he has essentially given up his role as shadow home secretary, and by extension the possibility of being actual home secretary, to protest on a matter of principle. That's actually quite impressive.

Weirdly, he has also managed to throw a complete curve ball into Tory messaging in doing so. This squeaky win was a good result for Cameron - it highlighted Brown's desperation and put him in the same situation as the obviously doomed Major government - depending on fringe Northern Irish parties for success. Whereas now Cameron looks like he can't control his party.

It's exactly what Labour wanted when they tabled the bill, of course - there's no benefit in 42-day detention in the Fight against Terror, and nobody actually on the coalface of same is very enthusiastic about it. Before it became a vote on Brown's viability as leader, it was a clear attempt to divide the Tories between the socially conservative, who would support extending the period, and the socially liberal liberarians, who would not. This feels like the Tories snatching defeat from the jaws of victory from the jaws of defeat.
 
 
The Idol Rich
10:57 / 13.06.08
David Davis is hardly a sympathetic character. However, taking a look at the facts, he has essentially given up his role as shadow home secretary, and by extension the possibility of being actual home secretary, to protest on a matter of principle. That's actually quite impressive.

Possibly true. Do you think that he's burnt his bridges with Cameron then?

Weirdly, he has also managed to throw a complete curve ball into Tory messaging in doing so.

Yes, it's certainly a curve ball, in fact to me it's not exactly clear which party his protest is aimed at as the Tories voted against the bill - although I think David Cameron has said that he won't repeal it if it becomes law (which it won't because of the Lords - at least at the first time of asking, which may mean we have to go through this rigmarole again).
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:52 / 13.06.08
Apparently Cameron tried his best to get him not to resign. He's taken the focus off Brown's floundering and desperation to pass the bill and focussed it instead on Cameron's problems holding his party together. I'd imagine it's not something that at his age you are likely to come back from.

The resignation was intended to create coverage, as far as I can tell - it's not a protest against the Conservatives. He wants the byelection so that he can stand on the stump and talk about detention and civil rights to the media - to keep the issue live, effectively. Stepping down as shadow HS was a consequence of that, not an intended result.

And yes, it's very likely to be knocked back by the Lords - I think the Parliament Act will have to be invoked to get it through.
 
 
The Idol Rich
13:07 / 13.06.08
Apparently Cameron tried his best to get him not to resign. He's taken the focus off Brown's floundering and desperation to pass the bill and focussed it instead on Cameron's problems holding his party together. I'd imagine it's not something that at his age you are likely to come back from.

Interesting, where did you hear that (about Cameron asking him not to do it)?

The resignation was intended to create coverage, as far as I can tell - it's not a protest against the Conservatives. He wants the byelection so that he can stand on the stump and talk about detention and civil rights to the media - to keep the issue live, effectively. Stepping down as shadow HS was a consequence of that, not an intended result.

Sure yes, but obviously a consequence that he was aware of so that must have been something he was prepared to sacrifice for the publicity. Maybe, he thinks he'll be able to get another cabinet position, or, more interestingly, maybe he thought that he wouldn't have got one anyway.
In general, how likely is the holder of a shadow cabinet position to take up that same position in the real cabinet when his/her party takes power? It's not a given is it?

And yes, it's very likely to be knocked back by the Lords - I think the Parliament Act will have to be invoked to get it through.

But if it's knocked back by the Lords will the government even be able to send it back there? Also, how reasonable is it to use the Parliament Act when the vote was won by such a small amount? On the other hand I think that (new) Labour have proved more willing than any party before them to use the PA so maybe reasonableness isn't a test they will apply.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:51 / 13.06.08
Oh, exactly - what price reason when national security is at stake?

Cameron not wanting this seems to be the standard party line - e.g. here.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:26 / 13.06.08
The Idol Rich Interesting, where did you hear that (about Cameron asking him not to do it)?

I'm not trying to answer for Haus, but Newsnight were reporting last night that Davis went to Cameron and told him that he was going to do this and, IIRC, it was reported by Davis supporters that Cameron was not happy.

I don't know whether Cameron beating Davis to be leader plays in to this much at all. Admiring reports in the Tory press this morning say that Davis can hold grudges with a ferocity that even Barbeloids can't match.
 
 
The Idol Rich
14:38 / 13.06.08
Cameron not wanting this seems to be the standard party line - e.g. here.

Thanks

I'm not trying to answer for Haus, but Newsnight were reporting last night that Davis went to Cameron and told him that he was going to do this and, IIRC, it was reported by Davis supporters that Cameron was not happy.

And thanks. Probably I should get a tv.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
18:03 / 14.06.08
Another Tory gaffe:

A leading Conservative Welsh assembly member has resigned as the party's education spokesman after likening Italians to "greasy wops".

Alun Cairns apologised immediately for the "inappropriate" comments made during a weekly political discussion programme on BBC Radio Cymru.

....

Contributors had been asked to say who they would be supporting during the Euro 2008 tournament.

During the programme, Dau o'r Bae (or Two From The Bay), on Friday one contributor mentioned she had written a note saying "boring" next to Sweden, and "nice flag" next to Portugal on a list of teams.

When she added that she had written "nice food" next to Italy in the list, Mr Cairns said: "I've written greasy wops."


His apology is the standard fare of groveling, mealy-mouthed doublespeak:

"I very much regret the remarks and wish to apologise once again for the offence they may have caused.

"I have the utmost respect for Italy and Italian people but accept that my comments, no matter how inadvertent, were unacceptable.

"I support all efforts to tackle xenophobia and racism and will continue to promote equality and tolerance."


Well, that's just great, Alun. Fab. Been reading from the Boris Johnson handbook of slurs, eh?
 
 
Thorn Davis
10:30 / 04.08.08
Apparently the Tories are about to put the boot into lad's mags:

"I believe we need to ask tough questions about the instant-hit hedonism celebrated by the modern men's magazines targeted at younger males.

"Titles such as Nuts and Zoo paint a picture of women as permanently, lasciviously, uncomplicatedly available.

"We should ask those who make profits out of reveling in, or encouraging, selfish irresponsibility among young men what they think they're doing."

Mr Gove rejects the argument that the editorial content of a magazine is not a subject for politicians to get involved in.

"The relationship between these titles and their readers is a relationship in which the rest of us have an interest.

"The images they use and project reinforce a very narrow conception of beauty and a shallow approach towards women. They celebrate thrill-seeking and instant gratification without ever allowing any thought of responsibility towards others, or commitment, to intrude."


Although it's not really in the spirit of the thread to say so... that seems like a fair comment.
 
  

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