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This Sunday
11:19 / 06.07.07
'Religion' is practically a nonsense word utilized for tax and/or moral write-offs; Scientology's bad either way.

I work round the corner from the Church of Scientolgy on Totten Court Road (London) and am approached daily.

I'm suddenly almost envious. The LA branch have had multiple chances to cull me in, and the most they've ever done is tell me to move away from their compound. Private sidewalks or something. I might enjoy a bit of scientology come-on, as the Jehovah's Witness thing's getting stale. Nobody else has a healthy interest in my immortal soul and the bankbook attached to it.

To answer a way above question I didn't see answered, to the best of my knowledge, William Burroughs was interested in Scientology and its methods, but in a shit or free up the throne sense more than signing on whole hog and pledging fealty to Xemnu the Titan.
 
 
Bandini
11:25 / 06.07.07
'Religion' is practically a nonsense word utilized for tax and/or moral write-offs; Scientology's bad either way.

Very well put.

I think they've started recognising me as the guy that when they approach is generally quite rude to them. I also take any opportunity to say cult loudly as i walk past them talking to someone else.
 
 
grant
14:58 / 06.07.07
Cracked Magazine's list of the Top 10 Celebrity Scientologists.

Everybody knows about Beck, right?

The "Presumed Operating Thetan Level" rankings are also... illuminating.
 
 
Quantum
15:55 / 06.07.07
It's not a religion. It's a moneymaking scam that kills people and destroys lives. (Although some may say that's true of a few religions too)
 
 
Dead Megatron
16:50 / 06.07.07
I'd say it is a religon for those who follow it. And a moneymaking scam that kills people and destroys lives for those who run it. It all depends on wheter you believe in it or not.

But even if it is a religion, my opinion is it is a very bad one.

Very interesting videos, though. And is there a thread here on dyanetics and general neurolinguistics techniques? Because I think, maybe naivily, that if taken apart from all the rest, those may actualy help. To wikipedia!
 
 
Quantum
17:03 / 06.07.07
I'd say it is a religon for those who follow it.

Why would you say that?

"re·li·gion
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
21:13 / 06.07.07
Whipping out an old religious studies paper (oh! excuse me, miss. I didn't mean to hit your cheek) I copy and pasted my definition of religion.

"Religion may be defined in a two-pronged statement which encourages thorough examination and the broadest range of interpretive action within reason (i.e. not too specific, not too broad). Firstly, an expansion of William James’s [a famous psychologist and scholar of religion] definition of religion represents one aspect of the answer to this question. At the personal level, Religion is the processes of thinking, feeling, and acting of an individual in relation to what they consider divine, sacred, and Real. Conversely, religion has a political and sociological element. More specifically, religion is also a social construct or organization that instructs, upholds, sanctifies, controls, grooms, and limits the subjective beliefs of masses of individuals who experience religion at the aforementioned subjective level (this is the aspect of religion in which we find the production of artifacts, recorded incidences of ritual, and the development of techniques of spiritual conquest and investigation). If we tease out this logic, it can be said that religion is also the complex that emerges between the subjective creativity and assessment of the individual experience balanced against the limiting and structured sociological and political formations.
This distinguishes several aspects of religion: 1) the religious experience (i.e. the personal processes). 2) The religious situation: the environments, institutions, cannons, and formalized “realities.” 3) The conflict between these two elements.
We may also add: 4) the conflicts and concordances of the individual religious experience and religious situation with the social, political, and physical environments outside the limits of what is considered religion."

So yeah its a religion, if we define religion in terms of personal belief and political bodies. Its broad enough a definition to include Scientology and a hoary host of other strange little cults, yet broad enough to include systems of belief that do not claim to be religious: magic or some forms Buddhist practice for example.
 
 
Liger Null
00:21 / 07.07.07
Nobody else has a healthy interest in my immortal soul and the bankbook attached to it.

Have you asked the Mormons? They're always accosting me.


And from the Cracked article, one for the Misogyny Thread:

"(Leah Remini) appeared on Janeane Garafolo’s short-lived Air America show Majority Report to plug some manner of Scientology-endorsed “detoxification cure" nonsense. More surprising: that airwaves could handle that much brittle, sarcastic estrogen occupying the same space and not implode like a black hole."

On a more on-topic note, though I do find all these accounts of blackmail, corruption, and fraud greatly disturbing, I don't see much of a difference between the abuses perpetrated by Scientology and the abuses perpetrated by many of the other major religions. In fact, Scientologists are lightweights compared to some of the nastiness that can be found on the global Spiritual Scene(See: Spanish Inquisition, Taliban, Moral Majority)

I believe that ALL religious practices, including Scientology, should be intensely scrutinized and open to critique.
 
 
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00:51 / 07.07.07
I believe that ALL religious practices, including Scientology, should be intensely scrutinized and open to critique.

Yeah, and that all levels of the members of each religious practise allowed anyone to freely do that, without resorting to some of the stupid shit that often goes on.
 
 
Liger Null
01:14 / 07.07.07
Precisely.
 
 
grant
02:39 / 07.07.07
There's actually worse misogyny in that Cracked article, but that's basically Cracked. Wicked! For laughs! Sorry for not flagging it. (I forget not everyone is familiar with trash magazine house styles - Cracked used to be published by the same company as the publication for which I work.)

The list is still eyebrow-raising.

I don't think the Taliban or the Spanish Inquisition were ever quite as sneaky as the Scientologists - they just said what they were doing and did it, more or less. Scientology doesn't even reveal their cosmology to their own members - and waged bitter war on the internet as a concept, more or less, for years, largely because they didn't want newer members (and prospective members and clams) to know about things like Narconon and the textbook companies.

It's like the Taliban aims at becoming Congress, while Scientology aims to become the CIA.
 
 
Mako is a hungry fish
16:58 / 07.07.07
It's not a religion. It's a moneymaking scam...

How do the tax laws work in America? If an American were to make a million dollars and donate half of that to their church, could they then claim that as a tax deduction and get a sizable tax return from the IRS?

Would the real scam be in that Church taking that donation just before the end of the financial year and then returning it to the donator a few days later, off the books in cold hard cash minus 5-10%, so that both parties royally screw the IRS?

I've got no proof whatsoever that this occurs in Scientology, however it does seem like a rather nice moneymaking scam.
 
 
grant
13:58 / 09.07.07
Would the real scam be in that Church taking that donation just before the end of the financial year and then returning it to the donator a few days later, off the books in cold hard cash minus 5-10%, so that both parties royally screw the IRS?

Only one party; religions aren't taxed in quite the same way. They don't pay property taxes at all, and I don't think donations would be taxed either.

Employees of the church would have their income taxed, and businesses run by the church would be subject to normal taxes (so if the donation was then given to a for-profit business, it would be subject to some kind of "gift" tax or something in all likelihood), but the church itself would be free from entanglement with the state to a large degree.

There's more here.


Also, today, Reddit linked to Ron the Nut, which really needs a better design, but has some interesting documents about L. Ron Hubbard's past.
 
 
grant
14:20 / 09.07.07
And more dead people, thanks to (more than likely) Scientology's anti-psychiatry bias.
 
 
+#'s, - names
00:44 / 30.07.07
and even more dead people: Jeremy Blake & girlfriend, hunted down by terminator Beck.
 
 
ghadis
15:38 / 16.01.08
Just thought i'd post this for those who havn't seen it yet. Tom Cruise explains what it's like to be the second most powerful man in Scientology (also in the world). May not stay around for long though.
 
 
EmberLeo
19:02 / 16.01.08
Well that's just...

...vague...

He doesn't sound crazy so much as content-less. Like he doesn't really know what "it" is.

I do get tired of this one, though. No amount of repeating a false dilemma makes it true. At least have the honesty to say "Either you're in 100% or I will treat you like my enemy."

--Ember--
 
 
grant
17:56 / 22.01.08
Scientology has always had trouble with the Internet - back from the days of alt.Scientology.net or further. Well, now it's getting more trouble. Hacker coalition "declares war" on the church.

It's really just a renewal of hostilities, but still.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:11 / 22.01.08
Well I never. That's quite a feat. (Although I do rather think that the writer has misunderstood the nature of Anonymous somewhat...)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:52 / 22.01.08
I've been watching this for a few days- 'tis truly the funniest thing to happen on teh intarwebz in ages.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:58 / 22.01.08
But did they blow up a van?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:22 / 23.01.08
No, you've clearly missed the part where a paedophile got busted after they pranked him in a chatroom- they're an "internet vigilante group" now or something.

I think Tom Cruise should buy a dog, though, just in case.
 
 
grant
01:25 / 23.01.08
If you find any good stuff, stick it up here. It's bound to get weird. The CoS is already offering a reward for, well, I don't know what, and all their sites are going down.
 
 
grant
02:45 / 23.01.08
A cached version of the reward announcement.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
03:45 / 23.01.08
Stoatie: And some curtains.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:41 / 23.01.08
Wikipedia debate on Project Chanology.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:51 / 23.01.08
And Warren Ellis approves, apparently.
 
 
grant
14:25 / 23.01.08
Stirring stuff, that video Ellis links to. Love the aesthetic - inhuman voice, clouds and skyscrapers. Great propaganda.
Edge of goofy, creepy undertones. And the CoS seems like just the organization to take it all deadly seriously.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:35 / 23.01.08
Yeah, that video's great. Someone posted (the image has gone now, but I'm sure it'll reappear) a photo of an enormous "SCIENTOLOGY'S CLOSED DUE TO THETANS" sprayed on a CoS building as part of the attack...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:06 / 23.01.08
...and a little bird just told me that a demonstration by Anonymous is planned for the London CoS headquarters on 10th February...
 
 
Bandini
08:06 / 24.01.08
Any more details about that, let me know. PM if necessary.
I'd love to go there for it.

I work round the corner and my sarcastic snipes every time they try and talk to me aren't quite enough.
 
 
Char Aina
09:19 / 24.01.08
I think I know a few people who might be interested in that too. Fancy PMing me any details you might have, Mr. S?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:10 / 24.01.08
That's all they've said, really- 'twas just a flyer posted up on one of the sites- (there was a time as well, but I've saved it on my work PC...)... it remains to be seen whether it actually happens or whether, like many raids, it just fizzles out. If it does happen, well, I have a V mask...
 
 
trouser the trouserian
13:14 / 24.01.08
Here's a link to Roy Wallis' 'classic' 1976 study of scientology The Road to Total Freedom (whoever transcribed or OCR'd it seems to have been a bit hasty). I heard Wallis lecture about his research on scientology a couple of times. Also of possible interest:
Scientology: Religion or Racket from the Marburg Journal of Religion (several other papers relating to scientology if you look through their index).
 
 
grant
17:14 / 24.01.08
Aaaand, the next step:
here's a download called "secret dox".
Purportedly the documents Anon ganked from CoS.

There are comments on the documents on this reddit page.

I haven't dl'ed them yet.

Now, we wait for the copyright lawyers to create one flank, while whatever brute force Earthlink can bring to bear to create another.
 
  

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