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How would you make Spidey’s identity secret again?

 
  

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tavella
20:51 / 06.06.07
I don't know, I'd be very uncomfortable living in a universe where the next time Wanda gets a snitfit, we are all blue lizards living under the dominion of the Arachnoid Empire.
 
 
This Sunday
21:24 / 06.06.07
I still can't see why they didn't stick with the House of M universe. Was it so bad?

If you were a flatscan, yeah it probably was. I mean, it's almost just the flipside of what we've got in the normal MU, for that, but as racial/gender/ousider commentary goes, setting up mutants as lording it over the rest of humanity all the time?

House of M made Hank McCoy kinda an asshole. That's to be fixed (and was) before Spidey's marriage needs to be magically annulled into never-happened-land and his secrets returned to him and a small pool of friends and psychotic industrialists.
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:26 / 07.06.07
House of M made Hank McCoy kinda an asshole.

What is it with him and alternate universes?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:33 / 07.06.07
It does make him a useful blue-furred canary for other people to use to judge whether they are in the real reality or not.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
13:35 / 07.06.07
"Hank just ripped someones lungs out..THIS CAN"T BE REAL!"
?
 
 
FinderWolf
18:44 / 19.08.07
we are about to see how Marvel does exactly this - and somehow removes MJ from the equation without divorcing them or without killing her - in the upcoming "One More Day" story by JMS and Joe Q. in the pages of the Spider-Man books. Early indication is that it will be a magical/mystical resolution, with Doc Strange playing a role somehow. (there is also the dangling plot thread of Loki owing Spidey a big favor from earlier in the JMS run...)
 
 
Professor Silly
16:42 / 30.08.07
The Magickal Solution, while gaudy on the surface, actually would work really well and makes A LOT of sense. I was imagining a more mundane, temporary fix of Peter Parker faking his death and becoming a Batman-esque urban legend.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
19:01 / 30.08.07
To really do this successfully they would need to get rid of... Ultimate Spiderman!

Okay, hear me out: Peter goes to Loki and asks him to make it so he never unmasked, saving Aunt May and possibly his marriage. Loki can do this, but for reasons beyond mortal ken he can only do this by hitting the reset button on Peter and those close to him- Aunt May, Uncle Ben, Mary-Jane, Flash Thompson, Gwen Stacey etc. The Marvel Universe would remain the same- there are still 198 mutants, heroes still have to register, Speedball is still mopey- but Peter Parker is fifteen years old, Uncle Ben is alive and tomorrow he has a school trip to the laboratory where they irradiate spiders for some reason. They could incorporate the best ideas from Ultimate Spiderman, Stan Lee's original, even the films.
Unfortunately, for this to work the Ultimate Spider-man series will need to change radically or be axed. No two ways about it. The most painless way would be to have Ultimate Spidey join the Ultimates, hopefully an ongoing monthly series by that point.
 
 
slagar
19:39 / 30.08.07

there's a possibility they might do something like that only have Peter Parker go back in time, to his own past and change something there, affecting his future. the main possibility would be changing Mary Jane's life, her parents never divorce..., and therefore affecting Peter's life in the time he left from.

i think this might break some Marvel rule about changing events in the past not affecting the current timeline, though.

JMS has a habit of foreshadowing his plots and has used a future Spiderman in this series already. the reverse would be to for the current timeline Spidey to affect his past.

there's a rumor the Mary Jane somehow becomes the mask hero "Jackpot" who was seen in the Free Comic Book Day story. so her past being change would allow some leeway to rewrite her history.
 
 
Jamie
22:40 / 30.08.07
Didn't I read somewhere that Ben Reilly or some other clone is still around? It seems like it'd be a simple matter to have one of them dress up in Spidey, hang out near the unmasked other one, and do some sort of public "My friend Peter pretended to be me so I could conceal my secret identity" bit. Admittedly, that's pretty much out of the Superdickery playbook, but hey, it's worked before, hasn't it?
 
 
SiliconDream
04:27 / 01.09.07
there's a rumor the Mary Jane somehow becomes the mask hero "Jackpot" who was seen in the Free Comic Book Day story.

Good Lord. That pretty much guarantees domestic violence, just off the punning possibilities alone.
 
 
doctorbeck
09:44 / 01.09.07
my money is on some kind of clone based resolution too because:

there has to be something good come from that all time low story line

bendis has had PP mention that he had a clone almost monthly over in his avengers run.

would like to see an earlier more fun, single spidey again though have to say the 616 spidey that bendis has been doing is just great. totally annoying to everyone in his vicinity but totally useful in a scrap and grudgingly respected for that.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
10:54 / 01.09.07
Why is Spidey more fun when he's single?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:15 / 01.09.07
He makes the fatbeards feel less bad?

I dunno. Mary Jane and their relationship seem so...integral... to the mythos, at least to me.
 
 
Jamie
21:05 / 01.09.07
I agree, Spidey's marriage to MJ is integral to the dichotomy that makes him a great character. As Peter Parker, he's an ordinary fellow with a happy life and people who care about him, but when he puts on that mask he becomes an extraordinary fellow under assault from villains and the media -- and yet he does it anyway, because of that great responsibility. Without the decent home life, he becomes a flatter character, especially if Aunt May is taken from him as well.

Spidey/Peter is one of the few longstanding characters to have successfully changed over the years, but there's always been a schism between his two identities. The nature of the schism has changed, starting as it did with nebbish student vs. bantering crimefighter (Spidey gets the witty one-liners and snappy comebacks, not Peter), but it's (almost) always been there.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:09 / 01.09.07
I think, oddly, that it wouldn't be such a loss for him to be rendered single if it was dealt with as a divorce situation and stories grew out of it, rather than some kind of bland reboot clean-wipe situation. There is a lot of story potential there.
 
 
Shiny: Well Over Thirty
22:26 / 01.09.07
Agreed. One thing that's made Peter a great character down the years is that both his personality and circumstances have changed a lot over the years and that he's never quite settled into the sort of very rigid status quo in his personal life that a lot of characters have.

Magical erasure of his marriage would be absolutely awful, but if his marriage ended in a manner that was well done then it would be entirely workable given his history. So long as it was accepted that he was once married and now he isn't then it probably could work fine.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
23:37 / 01.09.07
As Peter Parker, he's an ordinary fellow with a happy life and people who care about him,

Which is totally true, but SUCH an INCREDIBLE switch from the original Spider-Man hook (he's a schlub loser JUST LIKE YOU but he's also a WISE-CRACKING SUPER-HERO!) that it made me do a double-take.

Peter really does have it pretty good, hey?
 
 
Janean Patience
23:43 / 01.09.07
Why is Spidey more fun when he's single?

Because that way, the swingin' singles' scene ain't just a turn of phrase?
 
 
FinderWolf
15:01 / 08.09.07
ok, so ONE MORE DAY part 1 has happened, and it hasn't really gotten into the nitty-gritty yet. Emphasis was made in the first installment on how 'no human force could help Aunt May recovery fully...' enter the non-human force next issue, presumably...
 
 
Essential Dazzler
15:39 / 08.09.07
The art was horrible wasn't it? One of the worst inking jobs I've seen.



It was funny to see, without a single word of explanation, Spidey back in red and Blue less than a month after BiB ends.

And that first sentence was incredible.

Tune your ear to the frequency of despair and cross-reference with the longitude and latitude of a heart in agony.

Now that is your new thread abstract right there.
 
 
Professor Silly
18:04 / 10.09.07
Agree totally on the art--throughout the issue I kept thinking "wow, this artist really seems like a cheap Spawn rip-off" (and no--I don't like McFarlain either)...then I got to the end and realized it was none other than Quesada.

He shouldn't be allowed to draw anymore, IMHO.

So, am I wrong to assume that Strazynski isn't writing the other three chapters? If that's the case, I'm not sure I really care enough to pick them up.
 
 
Jamie
20:28 / 10.09.07
Peter really does have it pretty good, hey?

He sure does. Or did, at least -- married to a supermodel, living in a fancy penthouse suite... There's a great scene in the short-lived Thing where he's commenting to MJ about how it feels wrong for an ordinary guy like the Thing to be living the high life, seeing a beautiful woman, waited on by a butler, etc. etc., and the irony hammer is out in full effect.
 
 
FinderWolf
01:39 / 11.09.07
JMS is writing all 4 parts of this One More Day storyline. The rotating writers thing happens AFTER One More Day (with a thing called "Brand New Day").
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
20:08 / 21.11.07
I'm still not reading Amazing Spider-Man, so I have no idea whats going on in one more day. But The Initiative #7 ended with something, well...





SPOILER


Who the Scarlet Spiders are is revealed, but what's more important is that after a brief battle with him, Peter Parker ends up helping the Spiders out of a jam. In gratitude, they tell the media that they're federal agents with armor mimicking Spider-Man's powers, and that Peter Parker was one of them, but he's not the actual Spider-Man.

Now all of New York is confused, and none of this will probably be mentioned at all in the actual Spider books, but if this IS the solution to Peter being outed, it is much less irritating than a magical reset button to me at least. Now some people think he is, and some don't.

But we'll see.
 
 
FinderWolf
02:16 / 22.11.07
nope. the real magical solution is coming in parts 3 and 4 of "One More Day." seriously. although the whole thing about sowing doubt about Peter being Spidey may have some echoes in the comics to come...
 
 
Essential Dazzler
02:28 / 22.11.07
I think the events of "Avengers: The Initiative #07" are fairly forgettable. It's just another example of Dan Slott not liking an element of continuity and spending an issue making sure it doesn't count anymore.
 
 
Professor Silly
19:47 / 03.12.07
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Well, using Mephisto instead of Loki is a big surprise. All in all, I feel let down that the solution is pretty much just as we imagined here...although having Peter meet (what I'm assuming is) the daughter he'll never have seems a nice heart-wrenching addition. Now, I know that Peter and MJ had a child that was taken from them (they think she's dead) but I got the distinct impression this daughter was a different one. Only after the fact, deep within his soul will Peter realize that by choosing May we will prevent this wonderfully precosious person from ever existing.
 
 
FinderWolf
01:37 / 04.12.07
I honestly don't think it's supposed to be a daughter, I think it's just the 'devil appears as a cute innocent child' motif that has shown up in such literary works as THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST.

The concept of a deal with Mephisto, if you're going to have to undo the marriage, is ok I guess... part of me still thinks Joe's barking up the wrong tree with 'Peter has to be single so he can have a soap opera dating life.' The 100% Cheesy Moment That Should Have Been Avoided, for me anyway, was when Mephisto says "I want...YOUR MARRIAGE!!" (note the exclamation points) That line (and punctuation and close-up of Mehpisto's face) should have been rewritten, or simply excised.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:55 / 04.12.07
I honestly don't think it's supposed to be a daughter

Wolfy, even a cursory read of it in the shops made it clear it's implied to be a possible MJ/Peter daughter. You do know who the two guys Peter meets immediately after that are meant to be, right?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
12:09 / 04.12.07
Part of me still thinks Joe's barking up the wrong tree with 'Peter has to be single so he can have a soap opera dating life.'

Well, especially seeing as he's likely going to spend a lot of it hanging upside down outside MJ's house when he ought to be out clubbing, or fighting crime.

All this is so over-complicated; couldn't someone who's set out to destroy everything Peter holds dear have some luck for a change? People have been trying to do this every now and again for the last forty years, after all. So what would be wrong with Doctor Octopus, say, blowing up Aunt May's house while Peter and MJ were over for dinner? A man of Peter's talents would have no problem with faking his
own death in those circumstances, and while, okay, he might be a bit traumatised afterwards, hasn't he always been that way, ever the Uncle Ben incident? I think as long as it wasn't actually his fault, he'd heal, in time.

Especially if he moved to Miami or somewhere, and embraced a kind of Charlie Sheen/Frasier partying lifestyle. His enemies, who are perhaps the most interesting thing about him, would, of course, only be a few steps behind.

This might sound a bit harsh, but keeping MJ alive seems like a major mistake, if Peter's ever going to become the kind of guy that Joe Q could, in principle, play poker with, or invite over for a couple of beers during the football season. Without there being a risk of him bursting into tears every time there's an injury.

(Pitch to Marvel comics in the post, ASAP)
 
 
FinderWolf
17:47 / 04.12.07
Interestingly, even JMS doens't give his support to the ending of "One More Day":

Here ya ago.

In the actual link to JMS' blog or whatever, regarding the infamous storyline where Gwen Stacey bore twins to father Norman Osborne, JMS also said that he wanted the kids to be Peter's, and that Joe Q. requested it be changed to the kids being Norman Osborne's. Yikes.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:54 / 04.12.07
oh yeah, I got that those are alternate Peters. But I didn't think she was supposed to be a daughter - that is, until I re-read it and saw the line about ("in which reality am I supposed to be a little girl?" and Mephisto/Dark Lady says "Oh, that. That's a story for another time, and I'm not ready to tell it yet") which I see could point to the little girl being a possible Peter & MJ daughter.

and, I will note that there are no exclamation points in the "I want your MARRAIGE" line Mephisto, as I'd mistakenly said above. Still, a cheesy moment to be sure.
 
 
osymandus
07:17 / 05.12.07
Especially if he moved to Miami or somewhere, and embraced a kind of Charlie Sheen/Frasier partying lifestyle. His enemies, who are perhaps the most interesting thing about him, would, of course, only be a few steps behind.

This might sound a bit harsh, but keeping MJ alive seems like a major mistake, if Peter's ever going to become the kind of guy that Joe Q could, in principle, play poker with, or invite over for a couple of beers during the football season. Without there being a risk of him bursting into tears every time there's an injury.


Or Marvel could stop being lazy SOB's and create new charcters (maybe like you mention above ).
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
14:41 / 05.12.07
some hardcore nerds are more afraid of Divorce than they are of Marriage, let alone Losing Mom\Grandma\Aunt over staying with Hot Girlfriend\Wife. kinda creepy.

there are too many paralell realities for Spider-man already [original, manga, spider-girl, ultimate, adventures, Reign etc etc] - wouldn't be a problem revamping one of these where Peter is single. or creating another one where he's an adult and never married MJ, or doing another series about the time of his life before she told she always knew his secret identity etc etc etc
 
  

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