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Banning thread: Epop

 
  

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21:54 / 09.04.07
I'd suggest we leave BiaS out of it. Epop asked someone to vouch for him under the (mistaken, I feel) apprehension that having someone to back up his claims of magical potency and humanitarian good works would affect people's consideration of his arguments about the nature of sex and gender. A few people on this thread, I believe, appeared interested in that tack. It was taken. The fact that BiaS happens to be the person to have that information, and have stepped up to the plate after requests from Epop as well as others in thread, is just as irrelevant as the information is in the first place.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:59 / 09.04.07
Hum. Having read his magical writings, I would have to say that I respect BiaS's opinions on who's right and who's shite up to a point. I'd also point out that he does have a longterm investment in the Barb, although he was ceasing to be active when I joined and has been off doing other things during my, for want of a better word, tenure.

I say up to a point, because with all due respect I am not sure that BiaS is what I would call a male ally on the feminist front. Not because he's said/done anything that would make me file him in the cuntfear box, just that he's not responding to what I see as pretty evident misogyny in the way that I would like to see a male ally respond. This is totally my personal perception and I am more than happy to have it corrected by anyone with better information.

I just have this thing where... magic, if it's about anything, is about the future. It's about the future and freedom and justice and being strong and being loving. For me, a meaningful (free, just, strong, loving) future has two things:

1) mutual respect all up and down the genders and

2) jetpacks.

By Grabthar's Hammer, I demand mutual respect and jetpacks!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:02 / 09.04.07
sry xpost with id.
 
 
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22:05 / 09.04.07
I appreciate your perspective, MC. Particularly with regard to jetpacks.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
22:08 / 09.04.07
It's not about teachers, or community. BiaS has been here for a long time, from the early days, and has a long and well documented magical record including producing two very fine books and writing at depth about a truly intimidating range of experiences.

You can trust his judgment at least well enough to know that I'm not bullshitting you about what I do with my days, and perhaps to some extent you can trust his perception.

I'm not bluffing. I can do what I can do. I'm still puzzled by how my initial assertion: men tend to have nerdy hobbies, and many women are busy raising kids, combining to produce reduced participation sparked this.

I specifically did not ask Jason to vouch for my stance on defending the rights of women in the real world. That would have been too much to ask. But people come to me as a last line of defense and there are few more skilled workers at repairing the psychic and psychological damage left behind from rape, torture and sexual abuse, because I have those experiences, and I transmuted them within me.

If you knew me better, you could judge me by my actions, and not by your respective misinterpretations of my opinions.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
22:13 / 09.04.07
If you knew me better

Then it's obviously a shame that very few of us do.

Nothing has stopped you from getting to know Barbelith before posting.
 
 
penitentvandal
22:24 / 09.04.07
Well, at the risk of applying a scourge to a deceased equine animal, why don't you just come out and give us some examples of what you've done, concretely, to help? Just a thought.

I don't want to get into slagging off Jason. I don't dislike him. He seems like a nice guy, if a bit over-enthusiastic about the magical merits of comics signed by Grunt Monsoon. He has, as you point out, edited two very fine books on magic. He has written some interesting stuff about his own practice. I liked his Strange Attractor article on Nepalese shamanism particularly, because it showed he's willing to put his money where his mouth is and encounter a genuinely alien way of doing magic in an effort to widen his reality tunnel. So I do respect Jason.

But. I don't trust him. I know this is rather a nice distinction to be making, but so be it. So I don't think Jason supporting Epop makes a fart's difference, to be honest. I'm going to be hardheaded at this point. I want proof.
 
 
Blake Head
22:25 / 09.04.07
Epop, whether you stay within the community or not, do you understand that we can only come to know you better through your words, in the context of this textual medium, rather than an appeal to your real life actions, however verifiable?

Do you understand that the insensitivity which has characterised your attitudes on sex, gender and sexual abuse has been seen by many as inappropriate in this space, and that your constant reference to the value of your own actions and the implied and unsupported superiority of your opinions makes it difficult for effective communication between you and the rest of the board?

Do you understand that if the answer to the above questions is “no” that it is unlikely you will be able to continue to act as a worthwhile contributor to the board and that you will be unable to sustain positive interactions with other board members in the future?
 
 
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22:26 / 09.04.07
Epop, one of the things that gets to me is a general feeling of nausea at the way you've been using your "side practice" of assisting survivors of sexual trauma to justify some of the things you've been saying about the evolutionary place of women. It smacks of a kind of egotism that in my experience has no place in a supporting and healing role. In my experience, this kind of superhero complex often has the effect of unraveling any good that can come of the support offered by one's practice, whatever it may be.

I can see why someone, particularly a woman survivor or a person who has suffered abuse at the hands of a supposed healing professional, would have an extremely negative reaction to that. I would be more inclined to want to spare them that experience than to defend your right to post nonsequiturs about what a great job you do rebuilding broken victims' psyches in an effort to support your arguments about evolutionary psychology. It's one of several reasons why I don't want you to continue posting here in the way you have been. If this happens by you coming to agree with this and changing your manner, great, and hopefully we can deal with some of the other issues as well. If it happens by you being banned, I'm just as happy with that, personally and selfishly speaking.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:26 / 09.04.07
Look, you didn't just say that did you. When you were just talking about what we can observe people to be doing and can't really argue with eg women doing most of th childrearing, I agreed with you up to that point. Agreed with you! And was nice! But then you had to go all ev. psych. on us with the testosterone and the "Yeah! Chicks! I said CHICKS, what are you going to do about it you PC facists?!" and the rape and the never actually providing very much in the way of sustantiation for what you were saying.

(Incidentally I would like casual misogynists a lot more if they all didn't attack men so hard. It's always seemed a bit defeat the objecty. Dworkin's got shit on most male misogs. for the hate of mans.)

I seriously think you're not a well person. I think your attitudes towards men, as well as women, are messed up in certain deep and important ways. It's... horrible to watch, dude, because plainly you place some kind of value on helping others, plainly you care about and value magic on some level, but at this point I think you're so completely lost in such a horrible place you're just not working right. I hope you get out of it, I really do, but you don't seem to be able to hear or respond meaningfully to anything that anyone's saying to you here. I don't really think you can be a meaningful part of this community right now and having to read what you write, the way you write it, is painful. Painful.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:28 / 09.04.07
sry xpost with everyone.
 
 
penitentvandal
22:37 / 09.04.07
In my experience, this kind of superhero complex often has the effect of unraveling any good that can come of the support offered by one's practice, whatever it may be.

This is a stone on-the-money point, here. Anyone in one of the non-magical healing professions will tell you the same thing: the miracle-worker complex is the enemy, because it makes any case you deal with about you and your perfect hit-rate, rather than about the patient. This is especially true in the psychological arena: patients will recover by themselves, you facilitate their recovery, that's it.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:49 / 09.04.07
patients will recover by themselves, you facilitate their recovery, that's it.

I truly could not agree more.
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
22:58 / 09.04.07
Further to Blakehead above...

Epop, you may be a fine fellow in many respects -who knows?- but all you've shown us is a bunch of what I might in the best light describe as very ill-thought-out ideas about gender, a near-complete disregard for verifiable proof, and a tendency to boast about your achievements in the humanitarian / magical fields without any recourse to evidence, save from the word of your old mucker, who has, it seems to me from his post, rather reluctantly gone into bat for you out of duty to your friendship.

I really don't mean this in an agressive way, and I'd be glad for you to contribute to the board outside of the behaviours detailed above, but as any creative writing 101 teacher will tell you the key to characterisation is SHOWING not TELLING. As readers, we are much more convinced by a character's actions than their description - John Wagner might tell us that Judge Dredd is the toughest lawman in Mega City One, but it's only when he is shown busting perps and radio-ing for Med and Meat that Ol' Joe becomes real to the reader. It might be useful to you to think of Barbelith as a place where you create your own character, with words as your medium. It's no good telling us you're an awesome humanitarian or powerful magus, and it's no good getting your own personal Alan Grant or Gordon Rennie to do the same. We need to see that you do the Dredd stuff, and all we've seen is you banging on about gay monkeys and 'chicks'.

But people come to me as a last line of defense and there are few more skilled workers at repairing the psychic and psychological damage left behind from rape, torture and sexual abuse, because I have those experiences, and I transmuted them within me.

Honestly, this isn't even a matter of SHOW not TELL. Those who truly excel at something very, very rarely describe themselves as one of the most skilled workers in their field, even those with a healthy sense of self-esteem. Rather, they tend to be humble about their own abilities, and certainly seek to demonstrate them before they mouth off. Does, to take an example close to your heart, Grant Morrison loudly proclaim his mad comic writing skillz, or does he leave that for the reader to decide, based on the evidence? When you say this, you sound like a self important prick who is much more interested in himself than his patients, never a good look for a healer.

Shit, Epop - it's really very simple. If you have non-Temple ideas to share here, back 'em up, prepare to have 'em challenged, and meet those challenges with good grace. If you have something to contribute to the Temple, do so in a manner that's not prefigured with claims about your mighty powers. If you're the real deal, surely this will be noticed soon enough. Show not tell shall be the whole of the law.

Do you get this? Do you get this at all?
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
23:11 / 09.04.07
Awright. Let's get technical.

Most of the damage from rapes comes from the misalignment of the nephesh and the ruach which takes place after people get busted.

(See "Rebuilding the Garden" by Karla McLaren)

The nephesh really is more or less an animal. Just really running more or less the same software as your dog or a gorilla. So it's reactions to sexual violence are exquisitely tightly coupled to immediate survival needs, which typically involve either manifesting a sexual shutdown and a return to a childlike state, or sexual compulsiveness as it seeks to form a protective pair-bond.

Neither of these responses works well, at all, for the ruach - the personality level - which typically has a vastly more complex response. Usually starting with trying to detach from the "yick" that gets splattered all over the nephesh by aggressive sexual contact.

Retuning that connection starts with understanding what the nephesh is. And that's not something you can really explain to a woman who's been sleeping with four or five dozen complete strangers a year and has forgotten how to say no because, well, she used to try and that didn't go so well.

So at that point, biological models become critical. By making the evolutionary substrate clear, it's possible to really explain *what happened* - why the instinctive level of a person's being becomes deranged and pushes them towards grossly unhealthy behaviors again and again and again.

"Oh, right... that makes sense, that's why I keep trying to sleep with people in ways X, Y and Z."

Breaking the cycle of compulsive sexual response is usually only possible by reopening the direct links between the Ruach and the Nephesh.

From the perspective of the typical Nephesh, the ruach is Fucking Crazy. Good place to sleep, plenty of food, healthy, nice people... this is a great life... so why do we sit around in this box all day listening to unpleasant high status animals telling us what to do? Why can't we go play in the sun with all the other happy animals?

Can't stress this too much: those imbalances between the animal level of reality and the constraints of human culture produce all kinds of issues, most typically depression and hostility.

Now put that into context. Think of the *medicalization* of post-rape care. Wounded animal instinct of "go hide in a hole" meets hospital settings, and then police reports. If the Nephesh slips into shock you get disassociative disorders because there's now basically nothing grounding the Ruach into guph.

So how is this sense of safety created? I tell you how I did it: you just sit there, consciousness parked completely in the Nephesh, radiating security and safety. It requires a lot of strength to sit and remain in that kind of tight attunement with a person in the level of their consciousness where they are most damaged, and not intellectualize it or turn it into Ruach-level emotional transactions.

What gets rebuilt, *fast*, is a sense of safety. Reuniting the ruach and the nephesh can still take years - literally, years - but at least getting communications back open can be done fairly quickly if it's done Nephesh-up rather than Ruach-down.

It also requires pretty serious control to be able to get the clarity required to generate absolutely no sexual signalling - either of disinterest or even affection - when doing this kind of work. As soon as you engage in the "there there dear" mode (i.e. move into a pseudo-parental role) a whole bunch of other shit usually triggers.

Long story.

But I did a fair bit of this and got to the point where I could do at least basic restabilization in a couple of days, rebuild some of the energetic "connective tissue" that typically gets torn, leading to disassociation, and also rip out the majority of the psychic contaminants that typically get forced inside of people when these things happen.

I'm saying this because, if you've been through these things, perhaps it'll speak to you as "yes, this person has been there and knows what they're doing."

If not, I stand by my results, and you're welcome to your opinion. I am not a theoretician: I learned by healing myself, and when people came to me and asked if I could help them, I did what I could. If you've ever been in the situation, you know how tough it can be to effectively help.
 
 
Blake Head
23:24 / 09.04.07
Epop, do you understand that Barbelith is organised in a certain way? Do you understand that this thread is not acting as a judgement on your abilities as a magician or a healer? Do you understand that this space has been set up to discuss whether the methodology you have adopted for communicating on the board is injurious to the community? Do you understand that what you have just posted is inappropriate and unhelpful in this thread? Do you understand that I personally ask that without assuming the right or capability to judge the merits of your practice? Do you have any desire to communicate with the board not just coherently but with an understanding of the structure of the board and the standards it wishes to uphold? Do you understand that you are currently failing to address the fears of your fellow board members that you have any desire to communicate with them respectfully? Do you have any desire to communicate with other individuals on the board in an appropriate fashion and with respect for their expectations from the board?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
23:33 / 09.04.07
I find your lack of empathy for the "people who've been through these things" pretty crashing, really. You think they want to read that? Very much doubt that I would.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
23:36 / 09.04.07
Look, mate, I've been called:

* a misogynist

* a sexist

* people have doubted that I was raped - to my face

* belittled the male experience of rape

* more or less openly accused me of lying about my achievements in the material world

* mocked me as a "fake adept" or whatever

* persistently misinterpreted my statements

and so on.

Seriously. I'm a nice guy. I do excellent work, and I'm tired of being called names.

Several people on this page have accused me of incompetence. "You don't know what the fuck you're talking about and you're probably a complete health hazard"

Well, no. Ain't that way, sorry you think so, but things as are they are. Not as you might choose to wish them to be.

Frankly, I feel kind of scapegoated here. What's my heinous offense again? People repeat misogyny over and over, but don't quote and demonstrate. Likewise sexism. I get accused of not knowing my science but, in fact, the supposed revelatory links which show that I don't know what I'm talking about in fact show no such thing.

C'mon. At some point, I think the fact that I'm one of the more competent and productive humans on the rock right now counts for something. I've done a great deal of good for a lot of people, and I did it as a magician.

A lot of you are very, very sure of yourselves with much less foundation.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
23:42 / 09.04.07
Mordant:

I find your lack of empathy for the "people who've been through these things" pretty crashing, really. You think they want to read that? Very much doubt that I would.


Lack of empathy? I *am* people who've been through these things. I can relate, very directly.

You guys have really put me on the spot here to defend myself on every front: I've been accused of everything short of raping babies, so I hope you'll excuse me making it pretty clear than I'm not an incompetent who mangled people while trying to help them.

I think that - given that this thread is still officially about whether I'm going to be kicked off Barbelith, and that you started it with an ill-founded accusation of misogyny - my practical skills in this domain are relevant.

Do you really think a misogynyst makes themselves routinely available to help mop up the psychic damage left over from rape and sexual abuse? To teach people how to fully reinhabit their bodies again after some bastard threw them out by violent sexual force?

C'mon. You started this by accusing me of misogyny and asking that I be thrown off the board.

Do you still think I'm a misogynist who should be thrown off the board? Is evidence irrelevant?
 
 
Haloquin
23:45 / 09.04.07
I'm glad you're a nice guy, I'm glad you do good work, thats good.

The way your posts were presented did not wash well with the board, and the statements about 'chicks; yes, chicks' were quoted to you, along with others, as why people were offended by your posts. I would appreciate hearing about your theories/practises, as you outlined above, but here was not the best place for it.

No-one here is, as far as I can tell, asking you to prove that you do good things, just that you recognise that for whatever reason, parts of your posts offended people massively, and that many people here have requested, mostly politely, that you could try and present yourself in a way appropriate for Barbelith. If something is getting people's backs up, then its not going to make communicating anything any easier. And this is a message board, its all about the words, the communication.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:45 / 09.04.07
I've been accused of everything short of raping babies

Ah, that empathy again.
 
 
Haloquin
23:48 / 09.04.07
Cross post, sorry.

To be clear, I don't think you chould be kicked off the board, but would appreciate careful communication.

I would echo a few people's suggestions quite happily; a time out is probably a good plan, for everyone.
 
 
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23:50 / 09.04.07
It's true—while interesting reading, that wasn't the response I was looking for. I would personally be interested in exploring it further, but not in this thread or at this time.

I don't need proof that you have amazing healing powers, or that you've hit upon a method that's worked for you personally and that you've been able to help other people with. I need proof that you will not:

* discount other people's experiences
* claim that evolutionary psychology programs certain people in ways that do not square with their experiences
* make assertions about rape that are insensitive to other people who have been raped who might be reading the thread
* get defensive and shoutymcshoutypants when people challenge you to unpack and/or better support things that you claim.

I think we may be moving toward that point, but along the way we've been taking unnecessary side trips into proofs of your magical powers, healing strategies, and real-life identity as "friend of BiaS and contributor to books" that are slowing us down somewhat, and increasing other people's frustration. And, evidently, your own.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
23:50 / 09.04.07
chicks, yes, chicks was a barbed joke about political correctness.

And I think that, frankly, you need to remember that this started with a really innocuous statement about guys tending to cultivate nerdy hobbies, and women tending to be more invested in raising children, resulting in reduced participation in magical stuff.

And this community reacted as if I'd just demolished the Sistine Chapel.

Yes, it escalated, and we got into stuff first about biological foundations of gender, then into evolutionary theory and rape, but these are not topics which are beyond the pale. If you're a magician you come across this stuff, frequently. Sexual abuse and rape are incredibly common - people get shoved out of their bodies and become aware on all kinds of new levels, or "something wrong" and the path to healing leads here...

Yeah. I think that your internal community dynamics around scapegoating and witch hunts need serious examination.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:53 / 09.04.07
Awright. Let's get technical.

Most of the damage from rapes comes from the misalignment of the nephesh and the ruach which takes place after people get busted.


I can see why this is possibly all quite amusing, but really, who benefits from this funny war you seem intent on pursuing against a tiny corner of the internet? Not to pile on you, or anything, but I'm still unsure as to what point you're really trying to make, mate?
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
23:57 / 09.04.07
As per my suggestion above, why don't you start an 'I'm magick, me!' thread over in the Temple in which you can boast about yourself until you're blue in the face? Your above post would fit right in, I imagine.

Alternately, you could title it 'Welcome to the Whitehouse, President Gore'. More seriously...

C'mon. At some point, I think the fact that I'm one of the more competent and productive humans on the rock right now counts for something. I've done a great deal of good for a lot of people, and I did it as a magician.

Yeah, but you can't show the good you may or may not have done on Barbelith, so it's adviseable to stop telling us about it. Right now, on top of sounding like Al Gore claiming he invented the 'net, you sound like Smashy & Nicey - 'I do a lot of good work for charidee, but I don't like to talk about it'. Also, that 'one of the more competent and productive humans on the rock' line is veering dangerously close to muggle/sheeple/mudane territory.

A lot of you are very, very sure of yourselves with much less foundation

Sure about what, precisely? I can't recall anyone else but you boasting about their capabilities in this thread. If you mean that some posters seem pretty sure that biological determinism isn't that useful a philosophical base, or that verifiable evidence is important to substantiating a claim, you'll find that both those positions have sturdy enough foundations, if you bother to dig.

Seriously, all anyone is asking is for you to apologise for your offensive statements, and undertake not to post anything similar here again. It's those that prompted Mordant to call for a ban. Regarding the boasting, that's not a banning offence, last time I looked. A piss-taking offence, very probably, but not a banning one.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:59 / 09.04.07
I'm afraid I don't understand your barbed joke about political correctness, Epop. Since I am not qualified to discuss your magical healing powers, and since in the absence of any peer review you have stated a methodology only, could you do me the kindness of explaining it?
 
 
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00:02 / 10.04.07
chicks, yes, chicks was a barbed joke about political correctness.

You probably have heard this by now, but those don't go over well, particularly when the punchline is "look at you oversensitive politically-correct people!"
 
 
Quantum
00:03 / 10.04.07
Sheesh, I just had to wade through aeons of stuff. Epoop, remember when you said;

I'm glad I've made a few of you angry enough to show a few teeth, because I posted like a complete asshole. I'm not sure why nobody tore me to pieces on the stuff about income inequality: that's a clear and gaping indefensible position, and leads to a very interesting conversation about the dynamics of mate selection and child rearing capital.

That makes me think you'd appreciate getting called on bullshit, and when you said just now;

Yeah. I think that your internal community dynamics around scapegoating and witch hunts need serious examination.

...that rang all kinds of bells for me and made me want to point out that you don't really spend much time on the board and don't realise you're repeating the behaviour of prior posters who had problems interacting with Barbelith. Your notion of witch hunts is particularly apt because some of the people you imagine are persecuting you are, in fact, witches.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:04 / 10.04.07
And I think that, frankly, you need to remember that this started with a really innocuous statement about guys tending to cultivate nerdy hobbies, and women tending to be more invested in raising children, resulting in reduced participation in magical stuff.

Ah, yes, you can tell it's comedy because it relies on really boring gender stereotypes.

Yes, it escalated, and we got into stuff first about biological foundations of gender, then into evolutionary theory and rape, but these are not topics which are beyond the pale. If you're a magician you come across this stuff, frequently.

And if you're on Barbelith you come across these topics often, as well; witness the ongoing debate and discussion of the feasibility of the Sexuality and Health or Sex/Body/Relationship Forum, not to mention countless threads in the Headshop, Laboratory, Temple and Convo which have at various times touched on those topics. You can't really act like bringing those topics up is what has upset people, Epop - it's the fact that you've made certain assertions about female psychology & the concept of rape within it, assertions which were not backed up even when people asked you to. You made assertions which other posters have found offensive and have not apologized or demonstrated any willingness to acknowledge that other people have feelings. Or, you know, that telling people what their innate psychological underpinnings are without their consent, regardless of how baseless or on-the-mark one might feel those "suggestions" are, is nothing if not utterly offensive.
 
 
Quantum
00:05 / 10.04.07
I was initially all for a ban but if you reckon, epop, that you could tone down the messiah complex that would be ace and I'd be happy. If you insist we're all just oversensitive PC fascists and you shouldn't have to tone down your gritty scientific insights, then either come to the Lab, or get off the board.
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
00:08 / 10.04.07
And this community reacted as if I'd just demolished the Sistine Chapel. (Epop)

Actually, I'm not sure that Barbelith might not welcome the destruction of the Sistine Chapel. On the one hand, it was painted by a homosexual, which is very much a point in its favour, but on the other it promotes a gender-biased, scientifically unverifiable creation narrative, which is surely a negative. One to debate in the sadly tuble-weed strewn Art, Fashion and Design forum, perhaps.

Sometimes, being politically correct is just so much work, don't you find? Perhaps I should just retreat inside my own nephesh.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
00:10 / 10.04.07
Alex, consider what Mordant said a bit ago:

I seriously think you're not a well person. I think your attitudes towards men, as well as women, are messed up in certain deep and important ways. It's... horrible to watch, dude, because plainly you place some kind of value on helping others, plainly you care about and value magic on some level, but at this point I think you're so completely lost in such a horrible place you're just not working right.

==========

Now, imagine that you spent most of 20 years putting yourself back together after having been repeatedly gang raped and tortured as a child.

That's me. I came back from that place. I know about healing because I came further than anybody ever thought possible for me - from a degree of damage that I *sincerely* doubt anybody on this board can comprehend, to a pretty decent quality of life.

And, along the way, I helped a lot of folks in situations like mine out. Took the lessons I'd learned about restabilizing the body and reapplied them to help others. Figured out why rape tended to make women sexually compulsive and found really effective fixes. I never worked widely - people would show up out of the ether and ask for help, or occasionally a friend would refer somebody.

How do you think it feels to have some ********* ******** like Mordant come back with "you're awful, you're evil, you make me sick and you probably contaminate everything you touch" which is the basic tone of her messages.

I think that person exists entirely in Mordant's mind, because it isn't me. I might have rubbed you guys up the wrong way by discussing my perceptions of the likely evolutionary biology of rape, but at the end of the day, that's something that I've really dug into because *it made a difference to my ability to help.*

First hand, real experience. I don't do this work any more because I'm no longer preoccupied with dealing with my own abuse issues, so I've pretty much stopped mysteriously winding up in situations with other damaged people looking for help.

I moved on to things outside of myself.

I am a man who was raped and tortured and recovered, and went on to change the world.

That's not a story you hear very often, and it is worthy of a lot more respect than it has gotten here. And I think that your community has some extremely pathological defense mechanisms going on here.

Witch hunt.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
00:13 / 10.04.07
But people come to me as a last line of defense and there are few more skilled workers at repairing the psychic and psychological damage left behind from rape, torture and sexual abuse, because I have those experiences, and I transmuted them within me.

Is it me, or is this one of the most bone-chilling things that has ever been posted on the board? Frankly, it's hard to imagine a person and a vocation more ill-suited than Epop and "counsellor to the survivors of sexual abuse" at the moment, on the basis of his contributions to the board in the past few days. It's the kind of thing that makes one think that banning, if indeed it is achieved, will be a kind of hollow victory - because Epop will still be out there, doing his 'good work', and the only person who's in the position to intervene in that would seem to be Boy in a Suitcase, who instead is happy to vouch for him as a good bloke, y'know, a regular, solid, stand-up guy, and seems quite annoyed at the idea - well, less an idea, more a fucking fact - that by vouching for Epop he is not so much enhancing Epop's reputation as defiling his own.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
00:16 / 10.04.07
And Epop, if you think this place is that bad, if we're such nasty politically correct - Christ, the "the right had a point about political correctness" stuff is bad enough on its own - inferior people, then why don't you just fuck off?

This is the question I always find myself asking about wankers like you when they rear their smug, stupid, ugly heads.

Why don't you just fuck off?
 
  

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