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A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
18:56 / 06.12.06
Ah. Well, it comes with this suit, I suppose.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:43 / 06.12.06
What would be cool would be some sort of moderator mentoring programme - where you could sit in on the process of moderation for a bit, see how people reacted to things. One problem with moderation at present is that transparency is pretty much voluntary... It might be useful for people who would like to be moderators and other moderators to be able to see how people moderated themselves.

Bit of a broader topic, but it might be a useful bridge for people with good ideas and a desire to help but limited posting numbers to get more experience.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:30 / 06.12.06
How would one set that up, Haus? It's a good idea and could be of benefit to Barbelith as a whole - especially giving mods more flexibility with taking leaves of absence or leaving altogether (for whatever reason), building up a pool of potential mods who've got the chops.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
23:28 / 06.12.06
I would be happy to moderate comics.
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
10:47 / 07.12.06
I'd be very interested taking part in the moderator mentoring scheme if and when it's implemented.
 
 
Spaniel
12:14 / 07.12.06
A group of people have voiced an interest. What now? Do we pore over their posting histories? Are we all being asked to voice opinions on their suitability? Is Tom just going to pick a few at random and bestow moderation powers upon them? What?

Mentoring schemes are all well and good, in fact I'd be behind the idea all the way, but what about right here and right now?

For the record, I don't think anyone who has offered is unsuited to the role, and I think a few of them might turn out to be really good.
 
 
This Sunday
15:13 / 07.12.06
Just thought I'd jump in and suggest that a number of posts or new threads attributed to someone might not have really much bearing on how they handle a mod hat and badge. I post all the time - mostly in Comics - but my tendency's are to assume offensive posts/statements are meant in humor, or people are confused, and I don't know that I could move to remove a whole thread as long as it were tangentially connected to the area of focus. Still, there's been times when I've seen people come on the board(s) and post quite a bit, fairly frequent, and sometimes they're very on and useful, while other times there's a bad taste, like somebody's just in a bad mood over something else IRL, or there's been a brief misreading involved. Sometimes, posts are just off-topic commentary or quick jokes; sometimes whole new threads are nothing but.

Just thought it should be mentioned, since nobody's seemed to yet.

Not posting all the time... some small restraint or focus, may in fact be beneficial to a moderator-mentality.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:27 / 07.12.06
Well, they're certainly not the only criteria, DD, and I'm glad that you have the self-knowledge to make an honest assessment of your own suitability to moderate. There are certainly plenty of people who have posted many times who would probably not be ideal moderators, and many who have posted little who would be very level-headed and useful examiners of the wisdom of moderation actions. It's not a perfect system, by any means. Level of posting simply provides a rough guide to how involved somebody might be, along with presence in a forum. Generally, you can't tell how someone will moderate until they become a moderator, unless you do a lengthy "you are the ref" process first. I think Duncan and I are the only volunteers with moderating form. I sought and I hope received assurances from Duncan that he has learned from some IMHBECO bad decisions made during his time in the Conversation.
 
 
grant
16:34 / 07.12.06
Inasmuch as people think there's a crisis going on with a lack of engagement in the Comics forum, I feel like I should point out that I (and probably a few other people) are feeling a lack of engagement with comics in general at the moment.

I think a lot of this has to do with what's on the market that's interesting -- the Comics Forum seems to be more on the ball when there's something like Seven Soldiers (for good or ill) getting people down to the shop or thinking about how comics work. (Or how they should work but don't.)

Doesn't F&TV go through similar periods when the TV seasons end? I imagine its more pronounced with comics because the UK and US aren't on the same TV schedules, and movies keep coming out regardless.
 
 
grant
16:49 / 07.12.06
Which is not to say nothing should be done, just that there might be an underlying cycle to this stuff.
 
 
sleazenation
23:06 / 07.12.06
I'd like to see more threads in the comics forum that have a focus beyond a particular title, series or crossover.

I had a vague idea for a thread on women in comics spinning out of the whole occasional superheroine, but couldn't quite get my thoughts to coalesce beyond assembling a list of fantastic comics by non-male authors. Can anyone else do any better?
 
 
The Falcon
00:22 / 08.12.06
I don't know why you're pluralising, Haus; the only other (mildly) controversial moderator decision I've ever done was fairly shortly after becoming one was to agree a thread lock, proposed by a mod, who also mods Comics, and in that case, as in every other where necessary, made myself accountable for my (and their, on that occasion, and - iirc - a third party's?) decision.

Anyway, I think you've received assurance enough - if we want to discuss the issue of deleting and procedures on a larger scale, we can do so elsewhere ('Deleting posts'?), possibly having a look at this thread which could imo be improved by having the baiting of a member and posts relating to it removed. Certainly discussion is required first, even though unilateral action is, as we all know, actually not possible for any mod.

p.s. IMHBECO? BEC???

p.p.s. I would quite like to continue discussion of moderator selection, and my proposal/your 'gaming'(?) criticism elsewhere, either by p.m. or possibly in the 'How do we select moderators?' thread, sometime.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:16 / 08.12.06
I don't know why you're pluralising, Haus; the only other (mildly) controversial moderator decision I've ever done was fairly shortly after becoming one was to agree a thread lock, proposed by a mod, who also mods Comics, and in that case, as in every other where necessary, made myself accountable for my (and their, on that occasion, and - iirc - a third party's?) decision.


I missed that one, Duncs - I was thinking of the time you refused the deletion of a post by somebody who had been clearly identified as not wanted or welcome on Barbelith, and the deletion of whose posts wherever possible was policy, because you didn't think the content of that particular post merited deletion. My understanding of how that played out was that once Tom had restated the position, you acknowledged that you were unaware of the policy.

The problems with your approach to deletion I already outline, here, and again I thought that we had explained and understood together reasonably satisfactorily the limits of this approach. I'm a bit confused by your hip-hop example, as it seems to be saying that you feel that it would be appropriate to delete posts which are contentless attenton-seeking (which personally I don't have a huge problem with, as long as fair warning is given), but respond to a request for threadrot to cease in another discussion, in Comics, with "for cry-aye, Dad", and then, when challenged, a regretful admission of your role in the moderator trying to keep order being "reduced" to swearing.

So, I missed the thread lock request you cite above, and would be happy to take a look at that as well. At present, my only ambivalence about you moderating fora outside the Conversation is what you have taken from previous decisions, and whether you would replicate them. In a sense, this is unfair, because it means that I am looking at you in terms of your form as a moderator, whereas other people here get a basically clean slate on that, because they have not been moderators. There is precedent for moderator applications being rejected on personality, but I have no trouble at all with you on a personal level - I just want to be reassured that you are not going to aim, as a moderator, not to make decisions which would endanger the quality of the forum, is all. If that is likely, then I think one could without, I hope, causing offence, suggest that you would be better expressing your interest in and dedication to the Comic Books forum by contributing high-quality posts and threads to it.

Ultimately, however, this is just my personal ambivalence. I'm no longer a moderator in comics, just a concerned citizen. I would hope that if and when you become a moderator in Comics you do reflect on what I've said, though.

Oh, IMHBECO - In my humble but evidently/eminently/empirically correct opinion. My little joke.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
19:23 / 08.12.06
I'd be happy to help out with moderating duty, and even though I've been awfully quiet lately, I still read the comics forum every day. I do think grant is probably onto something with regards to the comics market being less... "interesting" than it can be, and that when things pick up the forum gets more interesting.
 
 
The Falcon
22:11 / 09.12.06
There is precedent for moderator applications being rejected on personality, but I have no trouble at all with you on a personal level - I just want to be reassured that you are not going to aim, as a moderator, not to make decisions which would endanger the quality of the forum, is all.

Well, it's nice of you to say - I was beginning to feel a little put upon. I'd still contend the delete I failed to agree was in fact controversial (your recollection, re: that decision, does seem to square with mine,) except in light of the other controversy; I don't recall any comeback for about two years, but I may misremember.

As to endangering the forum, via controversy or otherwise, I'd certainly not wish to court anything of the sort; for all that it has its problems, it does still have a capability to produce some of the best insight and plain enjoyable reading about my favourite medium. I'm intent on following the dictum laid out in the 'advice for new mods' thread of "take no unnecessary action" and should a troublesome situation arise in the fora I presently moderate or prospectively in Comics, it will be discussed here first - I cannot, however, assure you that my conclusions on such things will necessarily be concordant with your own, but I've no desire to perform renegade actions.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:36 / 11.12.06
So, forgive me, but what's the next step here? We've got a small gathering of potential mods who've volunteered, and then what? Do we have to fill out an application form, take a PM interview, drill down into the Earth to retrieve Excalibur, et cetera? Do we wait until Tom sees this thread and comes in to discuss expectations and responsibilities before he decides Who Shall Be Mod? I don't think I've ever been around during any previous mod selections so I'm not sure what to expect.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:11 / 11.12.06
It's a bit ad hoc, really. I could PM Tom with a list - I owe him one about applications anyway, so...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
17:55 / 15.03.07
Can we at least get some movement on having the moderator lists updated, please, even if we're not going to have anything else change around here any time soon? We've got Flux moderating a bunch of areas when he's not even posted anything to any of them for, I dunno, two years or something, Tom Tit in G&G even though he ran away from the board in a hissy fit ages ago, GGM in a couple despite having destroyed her own login, fridgemagnet in a couple of areas and only posting once every couple of months, etc. It's hardly going to convince new members that the moderation system here is a particularly functional one.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
05:18 / 16.03.07
I'll moderate comics. I think I've been doing switchboard for awhile now with no problems, but I am in comics a lot more.
 
 
grant
14:57 / 16.03.07
GGM destroyed her own login?

How'd I miss that?

Damn.

In general moderation terms, there is a thread somewhere in Policy with the User 231: -11, +8 syntax for adding/removing moderators -- can you snag the User Numbers for the inactive moderators, at least?
 
 
Spaniel
15:20 / 16.03.07
GGM destroyed her own login?

GGM told me so IRL

Okay, here's a list of interested parties:

Der Falke
Decrescent Daytripper
Matt Shepherd
Benny the Ball
Papers
Spyder
A Beautiful Tunnel of Ghosts

I would be happy with any of the above moderating Comics, although Daytripper, Papers, Matt and Falke stand out as the most visibly engaged. I think Flux definitely needs to be taken off the list, as, perhaps, does Warewullf. I'm not sure Mordant's presence is required either (no offence Mordant).

If no-one objects I'm going to PM Tom
 
 
grant
15:20 / 16.03.07
Here's the old add/subtract thread.

We had a housecleaning in 2005 -- I suppose another one would be good about now.
 
 
grant
15:22 / 16.03.07
PMing Tom is a fine idea (by the way, I hope no one minds me blundering in here -- I'm not a Comics mod myself), but I think it'd still make his life easier if you had user numbers for each of the prospective mods & de-mods.

Find something the person posted, put mouse over user name, see last bit of html link to user page.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:26 / 16.03.07
Woah, wait, why remove Mordant? I think there's a strong argument for having a female-IDing person with demonstrable interests outside comics moderating that Forum.
 
 
Spaniel
15:31 / 16.03.07
Ag, yep, you're absolutely right.
 
 
Spaniel
15:33 / 16.03.07
Grant, the add subract thread hasn't been working too well to the best of my knowledge, and with Tom so busy at the moment I think pming him might be the best way to go.
 
 
grant
18:29 / 16.03.07
Oh, definitely -- I'm just saying using that format would probably make it easier for Tom to deal with.

User number, forum number.

And I wouldn't want to remove ANY mods without either PMing them or being sure that they've actually left the board.
 
 
Spaniel
19:15 / 16.03.07
Already done, Big Man. Already done.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:37 / 16.03.07
No offence taken, Boboss. It's true that I hardly ever post in Comics--IIRC, I didn't even realise I'd been made a mod at the time. I read it off and on, though not as much as I used to. Lately, it hasn't even been every day. I have thought about asking to have myself removed as a mod, but I figured I could still be of use in voting on other mod's proposals. I'm happy to stay on and pitch in from time to time, but if you don't need me there I won't get all WHY AM I NOT MODERATING YOUR SHIT ANYMORE?!!1! if I'm taken off the list.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
21:58 / 16.03.07
Nice to see some movement in here again. As a potential/possible future mod-type being, is there a specific threads or areas of the wiki that would explain and clarify the duties and technical functioning of the mod hat?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
21:58 / 16.03.07
Incidentally, I wasn't just bumping this for the Comics forum, more every forum that has people on its moderating team who really shouldn't be included any longer. This was just the first relevant thread I could find. I'd imagine there's at least one pointless moderator in every forum by now.
 
 
semioticrobotic
22:27 / 16.03.07
Incidentally, I wasn't just bumping this for the Comics forum, more every forum that has people on its moderating team who really shouldn't be included any longer.

I think G&G might fall into this category, but we can handle that when we've mopped up Comics.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
07:10 / 17.03.07
yo, pick me.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
01:04 / 18.03.07
Let's add P&H to the list, too.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
11:19 / 21.03.07
Does a lack of participation in Policy count against candidates? I'd be more than happy to volunteer for the job, but I only ever lurk in Policy, and far less than I lurk the other Fora.
 
  

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