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Spaniel
12:53 / 05.12.06
Right then, there are very few active mods over in comics these days, so in light of a recent discussion I'm inclined to think we need more.

If you're a fine upstanding member of this community with an interest in men in pants and booties why not step forward and join our ranks.

What say you?
 
 
The Falcon
13:57 / 05.12.06
Oh lord, I've waited so long for this moment.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:30 / 05.12.06
Really? Um.

There's the thread on people volunteering to be moderators, which we could use here - it would at least require that people demonstrate capability to follow a formal protocol.
 
 
The Falcon
15:55 / 05.12.06
If that's the thread that Tom has long since ceased to keep up with (I think it is, am unaware of a new one) and specifically requested that people no longer use, it probably isn't much help.

I see you are joshing at me Haus, but, yes, self-deprecatory overstatement aside, I would really like to moderate the forum I check first on most visits here and read the vast majority of. And probably do more posts in than anywhere else, I'd think.

I would also like not to be a Lab mod because I rarely read it and it seems somewhat unfair to frequent users of that forum who ought to be. However, you cain't always get what you want, like the man say. But my interest is registered officially here, and will be elsewhere if necessary.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:07 / 05.12.06
Fair enough. However, if you do become moderator in Comics, could you undertake not to embark on campaigns of birthdaygate-style deletion (a), and to disagree with other moderator's requests with a little more respect than "for cry-eye, dad" (b)? I'd find that, as somebody who used to moderate Comics and still participates in discussion about comics, reassuring.
 
 
Spaniel
17:03 / 05.12.06
I'd appreciate less of the Dad stuff too. Fucking unnecessary.

That said, I'd be more than happy to share mod space with the falcon
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:45 / 05.12.06
Just to explain why I'm not keen on this being just names-in...

The Comic Books forum, regardless of what we may think about its current quality, is theoretically at least part of the Spectacle, and notionally a part of the board where things are taken seriously and the discussion is considered in itself non-frivolous. Theoretically. As such, I don't think moderator positions should necessarily be awarded based purely on long involvement - as an example, a long-standing and voluble contributor to discussions of games and gameplay applied to be a moderator, was briefly made a moderator and was subsequently demoderated on the basis of his general method of interacting with the board. See also Modzero, although he's an extreme case.
 
 
Spaniel
19:34 / 05.12.06
Oh, I totally agree. Should've made that clear
 
 
sleazenation
19:49 / 05.12.06
I dunno, I think this is a small part of a wider malaise effecting a variety of spectacle fora.

What do people want from the comics fora? I for one want a lot more than I'm getting.
I'd argue that many posters who read comics and could make valuable contributions to the forum appear to be turned off by over-investment in a comparatively small number of comics from an even smaller range of publishers.
 
 
The Falcon
22:11 / 05.12.06
Perhaps I'm poorly-disposed today, but I don't really want to have to electioneer for the post because having my respective merits & demerits debated publicly would almost certainly crush this presently fragile ego. The simplest solution, and one I think more preferable is (and I think that there's a growing need for a clearout and reinstantiation of moderators in most if not all forums) a cumulative election whereby everyone who wishes to do so can chuck two names, or say four for convo, in for any forum they want to vote on and the top ten or twenty (again, in the case of the busier Conversation) make the grade. There are a number of posters still on mod status who post irregularly if ever, and also a number of posters whom imo it's [overstatement]frankly outrageous[/overstatement] that they're not mods, and this method is more, well... positive and open. Yays, not nays. And folks don't have to say why they themselves're worthy, which is not something I personally enjoy in any case and not - I think - something for one to judge about oneself, communitywise. I'd like to do this over a month, but logistics are at a planning stage, and I'm sure someone will quash this foetal idea of mine before long. In this case - I would have proposed Miss Wonderstarr but ze doesn't seem to post in Comics anymore.

Fair enough. However, if you do become moderator in Comics, could you undertake not to embark on campaigns of birthdaygate-style deletion (a), and to disagree with other moderator's requests with a little more respect than "for cry-eye, dad" (b)? I'd find that, as somebody who used to moderate Comics and still participates in discussion about comics, reassuring.

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As such, I don't think moderator positions should necessarily be awarded based purely on long involvement

The short answer to both is 'yes'; the long answer is (a) well, without checking, I'm fairly sure I did expand upon my thinking quite shortly afterward - immediately in thread terms. Also I consider Boboss a chum, hence the extra cheek. I'm moderately distressed he's reduced to swearing about my behaviour and absolutely apologise for my part in reducing him to this. With regard to the issue discussed therein, if we want across the board ontopica in Comics - well, I've not seen it; I've seen one man (Boboss) attempt to hold back the tide in 3-4 threads maybe, so the current climate led to a disagreement on the issue/its enforcement, etc. It's entirely likely the forum has been disintegrating over a long period of time, with periods of recuperation, and I know people whose contribution I used to enjoy greatly and who still post elsewhere on the board are not posting much, if at all, in that forum. This is probably a problem.

Anyway, if we do want that, and I'm all for more tidy rather than less, then lets do it all over. Mod or otherwise, I'll happily assist if that's to be a directive.

Long (b) having seen how that worked out: no, I certainly wouldn't propose a delete for all but the most obvious things - doubles, reqs - without lengthy discussion in the moderator requests thread even if ultimately I can predict with reasonable confidence that next time someone wants to, say, poo on a thread, we'll probably just fight there and nothing will happen to the thread.

Incidentally, am I to assume that if anyone else proposes themselves here that they will be subject to similar interrogation? I absolutely do agree that long involvement itself is a poor benchmark for whether any poster be modded, though. See top: I believe it should come down to a community decision (or at least one based upon those who are invested enough to make themselves heard,) but as it stands I think it's basically about attracting Tom's attention at the right time (correct me if I err.)
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
22:26 / 05.12.06
What do people want from the comics fora? I for one want a lot more than I'm getting.

I count myself as an interested observer, but as somebody that has neither the resources or cashflow to keep up with current books, I feel like I can't really contribute. So much of the industry is monthly that by the time I get to a TPB (All-Star Superman... JANUARY? Jeezum Crow) everything that I might glean conversation out of has been done to death.

Plus, Barbelith seems to be 39% writer types, 17% artist types and 44% editor types*, so everyone talks story and nobody gets into art so much. I'd be into some McCloud-type hyperanalysis from time to time, but again, usually it's on books that have already come and gone and I'm catching up on... and it's a hell of a lot of work, really.

Double plus, comics are super subjective, which makes a lot of conversation past "I liked it/I didn't" hard to carry.


*meticulously gleaned from a comprehensive meta-analysis of all posts 1999-present, using deep search strings and rigorous data filtering.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:29 / 05.12.06
Incidentally, am I to assume that if anyone else proposes themselves here that they will be subject to similar interrogation?

I think people will be questioned according to their behaviour as moderators in other fora and their actions in the forum they seek to moderate, yes.
 
 
The Falcon
23:41 / 05.12.06
Cool.
 
 
Spaniel
08:41 / 06.12.06
Hey, I wasn't reduced to swearing, it's my natural state: I swear a lot. Sorry for any distress caused, tho' - as I said in the other thread, I've been under quite a lot of stress lately and my moods are rather brittle.

I appreciate what Sleaze is saying but frankly the moderator question needs to be discussed with some urgency. Many of the other Comic mods don't appear to be on the board much these days, and some hardly ever (I'm looking at Flux here). The fact that the Comics moderation pool is small to begin with makes the situation even more difficult. Now, none of that's to say that anyone can and should be a mod, just that action is required.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:03 / 06.12.06
Well, we have one volunteer moderator above. I'm happy to volunteer to be another one, if that doesn't disrupt t3h delicate balance of power, if only on a temporary basis. Don't like Duncan's nomination idea - too easy to game, but we can look at it at some point in the future. Right now, it makes sense for one person to email Tom with suggestions.

More broadly - yes. More conversation about non-superhero comics, fewer threads about who is the best butler. Medium-term goals, however, and the moderators should be taking an active role in trying to achieve them.
 
 
Spaniel
09:18 / 06.12.06
Would anyone object to me starting a thread in comics pointing in this direction? I'd be happy to move for it to be taken down after a day or so, but I can't help feeling that there are a few people with quite a lot invested in the forum who would make good mods.
 
 
Tom Coates
09:39 / 06.12.06
Getting some people to volunteer is probably the first step.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:52 / 06.12.06
In which case, I think a note in-thread is probably the way forward. People can volunteer here.

So far, we've had two volunteers - myself and Duncan. If Duncan understands that the way he has moderated the Conversation has led to some controversial incidences, and can solemnly undertake that he has learned from that and will not repeat such behaviours in Comic Books - which needs more people posting ontopic and starting and perpetuating interesting threads kind of moderation rather than submitting moderation requests kind of moderation, really - then that sounds groovy. If it is not felt that it would be giving me mod status in too many fora, I could also take over mod duties temporarily if the numbers need to be made up. Beyond that, shall we see who else volunteers?
 
 
Spaniel
11:28 / 06.12.06
Link thread up in Comics
 
 
Mario
11:51 / 06.12.06
I can't say I'll be as active as some, but if you need someone to keep an eye on things, I can help.
 
 
Benny the Ball
12:20 / 06.12.06
I'd like to throw my hat in the ring for consideration.
 
 
Spaniel
13:11 / 06.12.06
I certainly wouldn't object.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:11 / 06.12.06
I'll volunteer. How many new mods are needed? Is there a good round number that the Board prefers to have in each forum?
 
 
The Falcon
15:19 / 06.12.06
As it stands, I make it 4-5 of the listed team do not presently use the forum or, for the most part, site. There's a couple others (Mordant, Fridge) who do use the site, but not the forum, but I think having one or two 'outsider' mods is not a bad idea in most cases.
 
 
Spaniel
15:24 / 06.12.06
Papers, I'm really glad you've volunteered. I think you've done a good job in previous posts of representing broader board concerns: anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, etc...
 
 
The Falcon
15:27 / 06.12.06
Yeah, you're my favourite so far too. Ahead of me.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:32 / 06.12.06
It's not totally clear: a text moderation takes 2 votes, so generally as a golden rule it's good to have at least 2 moderators active in each time zone - then more severe moderation actions will take a bit longer, depending on who is awake and on the board when. The Conversation, for example, has about 13 active moderators, which is quite a lot and means that mdoeration actions are passed quickly - possibly, arguably too easily and too quickly. Comics is probably closer to half a dozen or so.

However, the issue with Comic Books isn't really moderating or deleting posts, although prompt moderation can help flow. It's more about trying to make the forum more interesting, engage people in a broader variety of comics, dealing with threadrot, maintaining Barbelith's defences against trolling, racism, sexism, homophobia - generally keeping threads worthwhile. I don't think the relative lack of moderators is a particular problem in process terms - it's more a lack of champions, to use the awful corporatespeak.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
15:44 / 06.12.06
Sounds simple and functional. The Comics does tend to have dry patches that could do with some water, now and then, and it's a worthy challenge to come up solid thread ideas and bump old ones.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
16:01 / 06.12.06
I was tempted to put my name in the hat, however I get a bit reactionary at times and would not want an argument I was in seen as moderator bullying (as has been claimed in the past about a trillion times) so choose not to. I do agree that more mods in the forum are needed though.

Also, since the comic forum mods are watching this thread, perhaps removing the "R is for Retarded" bit on the title of the thread about Liberality would be a good idea.
 
 
Spaniel
16:38 / 06.12.06
Done. I've been meaning to do that for ages but it kept slipping my mind. Thanks for the headsup.
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
16:50 / 06.12.06
The Comics forum brought me to Barbelith, and I'd like to be considered as a moderator, although I feel that my low number of posts might count against me. However, I support the promotion of more wide-ranging and thought-provoking discussion of the medium within the forum, and I believe I can positively contribute to it. I consider myself to be considerate of others in my posts and confident in addressing and resolving issues.

In addition, I've been reading and collecting comics for over 20 years and buy several monthly titles; I also keep up with online discussion of others on Barbelith as well as other boards and blogs. And my HTML skillz are l33t.
 
 
The Falcon
17:59 / 06.12.06
I distinctly remember liking your posts, also, Tunnel.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:09 / 06.12.06
I'd suggest, though, that it might be better, rather than getting yourself lined up for moderation, Tunnel, instead concentrating on making more thought-provoking and interesting posts, and especially starting more interesting and thought-provoking threads.
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
18:41 / 06.12.06
Thanks very much, Duncan, for your very kind comments - I enjoy your posts as well and look forwards to meeting you at the next Glasgow BarbeMeet.

Thanks very much to you too, Haus, for your honest and helpful advice, which I shall take momentarily, to encourage more wide-ranging and thought-provoking discussion of the medium and its channels, and also to enhance my suitability for a moderator post, not least because of the striking headgear - my battered old topper has seen better days, I'm afraid.
 
 
The Falcon
18:48 / 06.12.06
Oh, dude - I left Glasgow. Never even knew you were there, sorry.
 
  

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