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to be frank, dude, it is clear before I even answer that you already have a set of suppositions and presumptions about how I might answer, so I'm glad I took the time to ask.
Since who cares and a few others have been very clear about the importance of 'objective reality' throughout this thread, let's be clear that 'objective reality' does not, by current models, suggest that colour, for example, or temperature, actually exist. They are dependent entirely upon the quantization of the measurement / measuring device / scale. They occur only at a molecular quantize. But we 'know' that molecules are comprised of smaller, more ephemeral and altogether stranger components, don't we? Which are colourless, odourless, and at which scale temperature ceases to mean anything at all.
So you can see how important it might be to establish exactly what we mean when we refer to delusion...colour is a 'delusion', but one with great utility which we all share. Look around. Handy, eh? Useful way of intersecting with Something Else Entirely. A useful fabrication, which is undeniably 'real' to all three of us.
who cares, if your posts suggested that you had read what has been previously posted and actually retained the information then I might be more inclined to continue with this. You seem to run with the wrong end of the stick so much, and I really am now no longer enjoying the exchange. It has taught me a lot though, so thank you very much.
I hardly need to demonstrate or confirm to myself that There Is. I have already spent pages demonstrating my definiton of 'divine'...
And, since by asking the questions I was actually expecting you to answer them for yourselves, and you have, but you still don't seem to get it anyway, I'd lurve to refer you to this rather apposite and eloquent post by the ever charming Gypsy/Two Headed Rude Boy here
How do I tell that what I think is not delusion? The same as you, of course! Verification. Constant checking of experience against facts, against the ever expanding body of knowledge and experience available to us all, scientific, mystical, poetic, geographic, historic, physical, experiential, intuitive, intellectual, you name it.
It's a constant game of vigilance, adaptation, reorganisation, study, learning, re-learning, practice, meditation and hard won, difficult growth. But it is play and huge amounts of fun. I am as plugged into the database as you. Perhaps more so, perhaps less. Our respective mileages, as ever, may vary.
I think the big problem with your approach, and with discussing it in this fashion (over a message board) is that you have very clearly stated that, according to what you know of me (though I do not identify as a theist, atheist, or agnostic) I am 'delusional'.
But I think the same of you.
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