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paranoidwriter waves hello
21:35 / 05.09.06
Appy polly logies for the suggestion that you were ordering.

I love you, Haus. (wholeheartedly) Seriously, Haus is where my heart is, right now.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:43 / 05.09.06
Regardless, my point was that DM's use of uncalled was at least as likely a typo'd/mistaken attempt at uncalled-for as it was for a literal 'not-called'. seems like common sense to me, which is something that i think is just as applicable to this situation as picking things apart word for word.

Yes, yes, pedantic pedantic words words semantic minutiae rhetoric rhetoric. Fact remains, he called Flyboy. He has given two conflicting reasons for what was in his head when he called Flyboy, but he called him. As such, Flyboy's entry into the thread was clearly neither uncalled nor uncalled for. What he said might have been unwelcome, but please read my preceding post on the difference between comments on people and comments on contributions to Barbelith. Venn diagrams are maths, and thus at one remove from those pesky and untrustworthy words.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
21:46 / 05.09.06
Yes, yes, pedantic pedantic words words semantic minutiae rhetoric rhetoric. Fact remains, he called Flyboy. He has given two conflicting reasons for what was in his head when he called Flyboy, but he called him. As such, Flyboy's entry into the thread was clearly neither uncalled nor uncalled for. What he said might have been unwelcome, but please read my preceding post on the difference between comments on people and comments on contributions to Barbelith. Venn diagrams are maths, and thus at one remove from those pesky and untrustworthy words.

That's a great post.

Genuine Question: aren't thoughts and feeling once removed from words and numbers?

I LOVE words. But I respect feelings a whole lot more. Know what I mean?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:52 / 05.09.06
That's a huge question, PW. I'd probably say that words are what we have for feelings here. For example, I am currently feeling a series of pains in the left side of my chest, and my pleura which I know to be the muscles around my heart and lungs protesting at the lack of sleep I am putting them through. My eyes are feeling sore, and I am feeling, in the emotional sense, as if gazing out into a dark, rainswept vista oof terrifying bleakness. However, if this post had been a nob joke, none of that would have been expressed, or indeed needed expressing.

In fact, this post may have been a nob joke, but one of rare subtlety. Generally, though, I think that your question deserves a Head Shop thread. How do we express emotion, how does emoiton express us in textual media? I would very much like to be able to contribute to such a thread,m if the mists ever cleared.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:56 / 05.09.06
Oh, PW -

E.B = E.B. Farnum, at a guess, a character in Deadwood. I don't watch it myself, but there's some info here.

Am I alone in thinking that this is simply not good enough?

No, you probably aren't. However, see Tuna Ghost and others previously. I think we all have different standards and ideas about how they should be applied. I like consistency, personally, which is why I am drawing that Venn diagram and trying to puzzle out from it what goes where.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
21:57 / 05.09.06
Yeah, I'm tired too. And this probably is a HeadShop issue. I still love you though: you give great post, I mean thread, I mean...
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
21:59 / 05.09.06
Oops! Cross posted with you, Haus.
 
 
pony
22:01 / 05.09.06
sorry, haus. i never claimed that DM hadn't 'called' this upon himself, i just wanted to make clear that the "uncalled" you keep quoting to various affect was actually an attempt at 'uncalled-for", as in 'inappropriate', which flyboy's comments certainly were. to take the words out of context and use them to explain why DM was calling these attacks upon himself really does seem like an apology for what is widely considered very unsavory posting.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:01 / 05.09.06
Two hearts, beating with just one mind... I was going to moderate:

as if gazing out into a dark, rainswept vista oof terrifying bleakness

But I quite like it, as it indicates that somebody landed a SHUT UP GAIMAN blow to the kidneys at the perfect moment.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
22:02 / 05.09.06
Sorry if this is a triple-post.

Haus, thanks for the E.B Farnum information. Gotta say, from browsing, I don't much care for the fella. He sounds like a racist.

I'll read on...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:05 / 05.09.06
I'm sorry it seems that way to you, AYL. I trust that later, in calmer waters you will have a look at my Venn diagram, guaranteed free of words, and have another think.

None of which alters the fact that Flyboy himself was, absolutely, called for. His was a called-for contribution. Was it inappropriate for a birthday thread? He seems to agree that it was, and has stated on the previous page. If you want an apology, in the more modern sense, have a look there, although you might want to try to keep a rein on the morphing of "inappropriate" to "unsavoury".
 
 
Bear
22:19 / 05.09.06
Could we have some Deadwood spoiler tags on this thead please? I know nothing about American history apart from what HBO downloads are teaching me.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:21 / 05.09.06
I'm sorry, Bear. You're right. I am, quite clearly, a cockspoiler.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
22:28 / 05.09.06
None of which alters the fact that Flyboy himself was, absolutely, called for.

Like an inner demon, almost?

Seriously, I know a notable number of people who have surprisingly ended up receiving a nasty beating on their respective thirtieth Birthdays.

It's why I stayed in for mine. On my own.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:34 / 05.09.06
Like an inner demon, almost?

Anyone order a djinn and tonic?

Right, that's it. I'm delirious. Night, all.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
22:43 / 05.09.06
Typical. He winds me up and gets me all hot and steamy, and then suddenly leaves without even kissing me.

Humans.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:28 / 05.09.06
Ok. As far as Flyboy's involvement in this debate goes; if he apologises to DM any more than he already has does done, his rent is going to be increased by a third each month. By my calculations, this will put him out on the dark streets of London, shivering and alone as we head into autumn.

He understands this, and is ok with it, but for reasons now clearly beyond his control, he will therefore be unable to offer DM any further olive branches with regard to the incident, however much he would like to.

And that, dear Barbe-friends, is *bullying.*
 
 
Ganesh
23:33 / 05.09.06
By my calculations, this will put him out on the dark streets of London, shivering and alone as we head into autumn.

It'll be like the end of The Swimmer.
 
 
ghadis
23:45 / 05.09.06
Can i have the pair of trainers that is left in the middle of the road at the end of this?
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
01:43 / 06.09.06
Well, you better hope they're not mine, but you're welcome to 'em if you want 'em.

*looks down*

To be quite honest, they're more shoe than trainer, the souls worn down, and they stink a bit, of old me... Although they're quite holy; if that's a plus...?
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
02:02 / 06.09.06
It'll be like the end of The Swimmer.

Hmm... I dunno... Doesn't have to be....


By the way, has anyone done a decent Parkour movie yet?... Time for a sequel to 'The Swimmer'? Hmm.... How would that one end?...

Seriously, I'm not altogether sure how any of this should end, really. I just want it to end amicably, and sooner rather than later. I don't think it ever will go away if (say) some of us start to ignore it; even if you put me on 'ignore'... You've put me 'ignore', haven't you?... What?... Oh... You're about to put me on ignore?... Still...(As the kids used to say at my school)... "Same difference"....

Where were we? Oh yeah...

Haus, I think I'll have that djinn and tonic now?

Right, that's it. I'm delirious.

*blows a big, wet, wobbly, imaginary, raspberry kiss to everyone*

Night, all.

 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:02 / 06.09.06
Face front, true believers!



Larger picture here.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:07 / 06.09.06
Key:

x = comment on the last year.
y = injunction to Kali and DM to get a room
z = post proposing that everyone might want to post their favourite Dead Megatron posts

a = "Abortionist" comment

All clear? Sorry it looks like some testicles fighting.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
18:17 / 06.09.06
Haus, could you outline in more words what your diagram is supposed to tell us?

My 'puter screen is having difficulty reading the diagram, and I'm unsure as to what point you're trying to make in respect of recent events. It's probably just me though.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
18:22 / 06.09.06
Sorry, I should add that even the larger version of your diagram doesn't really show me anything new, or help me to see a way of resolving this current situation and maybe reach some kind of truce.

Please elucidate, for me at least?
 
 
Dead Megatron
18:35 / 06.09.06
I believe the point is, the abortionist comment (a), has nothing to do with Flyboy, who's responsible only for (x), (y), and (z). Thus, "abortionist comment" is unrelated to Flyboy (and hence "thus, Flyboy doesn't have anything to apologise for"?)

Is that it?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:50 / 06.09.06
Hello, Dead Megatron. I'm in the middle of a post about your consistent refusal or inability to read my posts, and in that I quote the previous post I made suggesting that you read the previous post in which I say that Flyboy should apologise to you. The fact that you are continuing to peddle this obvious and embarrassing falsehood would be merely embarrassing if it were not part of what appears to be a sustained campaign that mocks my recent attempts to treat you like a worthwhile member of Barbelith In the meantime, feel free to read the post in which I say that in my opinion Flyboy should apologise for yourself, in your own time.

PW: Don't say I never give you anything nice. I posted the key yesterday, but here it is again:

Venn diagram time. Circle one - things Flyboy has said on Barbelith in the time leading up to this Policy outbreak. Circle two - things said in Dead Megatron's birthday thread. Circle three - things that are insulting in a way that appears to go outside people's contribution to Barbelith.

Circle one and circle three seem to have an overlap - I think there are comments in the Barbecrush thread that are personally insulting to Dead Megatron - but they have nothing to do with:

(It's entirely likely I am being sanctimonious about birthday threads, too, because - look - here's mine, and here's yours. They're very nice, and we obliquely wish one another happy birthday. That's really super nice, too. I'd have found someone dripping poison in either very upsetting and deeply unnecessary, I should think.)

Because they are outside the set of things said in Dead Megatron's birthday thread. The overlap of circle two and circle three contains, among other things, Triplets comment that DM's birthday commemorates the failure of an abortionist. However, this is not in the set of things Flyboy has said.

Unless I have missed something, the intersection of circles one and two contains three items, which I have quoted above. I don't see any of those as reaching beyond Barbelith, and so do not see them as fitting into the intersection of circles one, two and three. Unless you believe that Flyboy actually wants Dead Megatron and Kali to meet in an actual room somewhere between Brasil and Georgia - perhaps Chihuahua - which Flyboy can then fly to and lock from the outside, but that's frankly a stretch.

So, if we're going to do this, I think we might want to start by not a) mixing up what Flyboy said and what Triplets said and b) not mixing up things said in the "protected" birthday thread and things not said in the "protected" birthday thread, before then going on to question what is a comment on somebody's contribution to Barbelith and what is a comment on somebody's worth as a human being, and then onto when an uncalled comment is actually uncalled.

So, back to today, you could if you want put a "w" for "wankstain" in the intersection of the left and top circles, if you fancy.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:54 / 06.09.06
Oh, the bracketed section from Duncan F - I'd bold it once the already-pipelined mod request goes through.
 
 
Dead Megatron
18:57 / 06.09.06
Hello, Dead Megatron. I'm in the middle of a post about your consistent refusal or inability to read my posts, and in that I quote the previous post I made suggesting that you read the previous post in which I say that Flyboy should apologise to you.

There was a quesiton mark, in case you haven't notice. It was a question, not an affirmation But you do mean Flyboy doesn't have to apologise for me for the abortionist comment - with which I agree - don't you?
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
19:02 / 06.09.06
So, if we're going to do this, I think we might want to start by not a) mixing up what Flyboy said and what Triplets said and b) not mixing up things said in the "protected" birthday thread and things not said in the "protected" birthday thread, before then going on to question what is a comment on somebody's contribution to Barbelith and what is a comment on somebody's worth as a human being, and then onto when an uncalled comment is actually uncalled.

True.

I also think a few genuine and considered apologies might be in order at some point. But I reckon you're probably getting bored of me repeating myself as well by now.

Anyone heard from Flyboy or Triplets for the last twelve hours or far more about this?
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
19:03 / 06.09.06
Sorry, I'm not sure if my last sentence is calling an inner demon, or not. Hope not.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:03 / 06.09.06
Um, what? Don't send out a search party just yet, p.w.! I'm fine.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:05 / 06.09.06
That's bang-on tooting right, DM! I don't think Flyboy should apologise for the comment made by Triplets. By extension, I think that a lot of the discussion in the early stages of this exciting process conflated Flyboy and Triplet's actions, and created an equivalency between them which simply did not exist, which led to confusion and a lack of individual equality before the court of opinion. My intention with the Venn diagram, that pulses wetly before you, communicating if nothing else that I have the handwriting of a dangerous lunatic, was to provide an easily-understood way to tease these strands apart.

Now, on the question thing. If I were to say:

So, it looks like Dead Megatron is saying that women deserve to die because they're evil?

That might reasonably be seen as an attempt to misrepresent your position - despite the question mark! Especially if you had already said that you did not believe that women deserved to die because they were evil, and then directed me, the next time I said it, to a previous post in which you had said that you did not believe that women deserved to die, because women = evil. I'm. Just. Saying.

Can I get to Widness? I said, can... I get.... to Widness?
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
19:09 / 06.09.06
I quite liked the handwriting. Reminded me of some really interesting diaries I once found in a bookshop in Brighton. Nice flow and intensity, and indicative of someone who thinks a lot, quickly.

I can barely read my own handwriting sometimes, and have to spend ages annotating my notes (at the time) to make sure I don't forget what the hell I was on about when looking back over them later. What was I on about?...

That's it. Haus, I want you to write me a love letter, a nice one...
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
19:11 / 06.09.06
Um, what? Don't send out a search party just yet, p.w.! I'm fine.

Ahhh... There you are, me hearty!

I just wondered if you were keeping abreast of all this. No stupid goading intended; well not much, and only playfully...
 
  

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