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imaginary mice
17:38 / 21.05.06
I didn't think I would spend Sunday evening taking pictures of myself topless for an internet site.

Anyways, here's my new one:

If you think he looks quite scary, you should have seen his bloody face this morning.

And here are some old ones (not quite as exciting):




 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
18:17 / 21.05.06
You have a Nick Cave tattoo. You are officially one of the coolest people ever.
 
 
Dead Megatron
18:37 / 21.05.06
Why, o why, on Earth, Heaven, and Hell, would anyone, anyone, have a Nick Cave tattoo? It's eerie.

(all that is IMHO, of course)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
18:46 / 21.05.06
Thanks anyway Grant, but I've decided on "I think, therefore I'm depressed."

It sounds so much less heavy.


Just for reference, that's not really what cogito, ergo doleo means.

I remain bewildered as to why anyone would want a tattoo in a language they don't speak. Surely the potential for utter noberation is enormous?
 
 
Jack Vincennes
19:02 / 21.05.06
Yes. Yes it is. Perhaps you should start a site like this, but for Latin instead of hanzi.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
19:02 / 21.05.06
Megatron, it's because Nick Cave is eerie that makes it cool. I shudder with pleasure to think on it.
 
 
Dead Megatron
00:49 / 22.05.06
Megatron, it's because Nick Cave is eerie that makes it cool. I shudder with pleasure to think on it.

Perhaps, but I would not like to wake up in the middle of the night, walk into to the bathroom in the dar, turn on the lights and, half-sleep still, see his face in the mirror. It's a personal thing. I guess it was a good idea to tattoo good old Nickie in the back. It would prevent such hypothetical scenario.

I remain bewildered as to why anyone would want a tattoo in a language they don't speak.

Why? For the same reason an alien species would dedicate its entire civilization, to the point of destroying its own biosphere by depleating its resources and leading itself to extiction, just to turn its own planet into a giant space-ship: Because it's cooool!
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
00:56 / 22.05.06
Alright, fine, dammit. I'll just stick to my original idea, but with "live forever" in English.
 
 
Dead Megatron
01:19 / 22.05.06
Bow, finaly, here are mine:



In case its not clear, this is the inside part of my left arm. If I could go back in time (to july 2003), I'd make it a little bigger, but it was my first ink, and I was being cautious



And I do know what it says. It says "jade dragon" or "dragon king, depending on how you read it (the "transparent" drop-shaped spot i what gives it its ambiguity). Those familiar with Chinese myth will understand the symbology.

PS. I was using sunglasses indoors in pic 2 just because, you know, it's cooool!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
01:21 / 22.05.06
mice- that Cave tattoo rules. I always wanted a Cave tattoo, then I met a guy who had one, and it was rubbish. So I thought better of it.
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
01:21 / 22.05.06
Or maybe because you flash seems to have been stuck on the "fiery wrath of a thousand suns" setting.

Loving the decepticon piece. I, thankfully, was not feeling conservative when I got my first piece.
 
 
matthew.
03:10 / 22.05.06
Wow, DM, you really do have a thing for Decepticons.
 
 
Dead Megatron
09:51 / 22.05.06
For Transformers in genral, actually, but the decepticon logo is more abstract than the autobot's, which is what I was going for.

I did though about tattooing them both, to make a sort of good x evil thing.
 
 
Cat Chant
10:45 / 22.05.06
that's not really what cogito, ergo doleo means.

Works for me. Classicist fight!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:17 / 22.05.06
doleo describing a mental state is, I think, expected to be transitive. So, it wouldn't be read as "I am depressed" unless one was explaining about what one was depressed. So, cogito ergo vitam doleo, possibly, although possibly quod cogito, vitam doleo better. doleo is certainly used intransitively by esp. poets to represent aching or anguish, but I think that without context cogito ergo doleo would more naturally be read as "I think, therefore I ouch". YMMV, however.
 
 
Dead Megatron
11:31 / 22.05.06
cogito ergo doleo would more naturally be read as "I think, therefore I ouch"

Which would make a great line!!!
 
 
Mistoffelees
12:02 / 22.05.06
What is

I think you ought to know, I´m feeling very depressed

in latin?
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
12:04 / 22.05.06
I'm still sticking to English. English I know.


Plus, when I finally die of a massive overdose/ horrific axe wound/ mauling by woodland animals, a "live forever" tattoo will at least give the coroner a chuckle.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
14:08 / 22.05.06
Quickly: I dunno, Megatron. There's something elegantly sinister about waking up in the middle of the night, going to the lavatory, and seeing Nick Cave's sunken face glaring back at you...from your own flesh.

Now that I have found gainful employment again, this means I can start on my other arm. Whee!!!
 
 
Triplets
14:15 / 22.05.06
Quickly: I dunno, Megatron. There's something elegantly sinister about waking up in the middle of the night, going to the lavatory, and seeing Nick Cave's sunken face glaring back at you...from your own flesh.

Only if her head were rotated one-eighty degrees ala Death Becomes Her.

I'd be heading for the shitter too, actually.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
14:38 / 22.05.06
I didn't know lashes for men were fashionable at any length, ever. The fact that you do scares me a bit, Phallicus.

I love the Nick Cave tattoo but I don't think I could ever hang out with somebody who had one, because I would never feel tall enough, gaunt enough or sonorous enough. I'd have a little Nick Cave homonoculus chewing on my self-confidence 24/7.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:26 / 22.05.06
Just remember that in real life he sounds a bit like Henry from Neighbours.
 
 
Dead Megatron
17:28 / 22.05.06
It could be worse: It could be one of those UV tattoo. Just imagine: A Nick Cave head that glows in the dark and thus seem to be floating in mid-air, disembodied.

Now, that would be eerie...
 
 
Loomis
07:52 / 23.05.06
Phallicus - I suggest you get "Live Forever" on one arm and "Learn How to Fly" on the other.
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
09:02 / 23.05.06
A to-do list of flesh.
 
 
Supaglue
12:03 / 23.05.06
Can you get UV tattoos in the UK? Can't seem to find anything on it on google.

Definitely not showing my tattoo - Sporty spice went and copied me the week after I got mine. Sigh. Cutting edge again.....
 
 
petunia
14:09 / 23.05.06
I had a little surf around a while back about getting a uv tattoo. It seems they're frowned on by a lot of the community. and by frowned on i mean hated.

The stuff i read said that no uv ink has been tested specifically for use in tattoos and there are frequent problems with allergies, itching and the skin rejecting the ink. There is also talk of a link to cancer...

I suspect a lot of this might be the taboo that has formed around the thing - if i were a tat artist and heard that ink x has been linked to cancer or other fuckups i'd probably avoid it. Even if the rumours are untrue, I'd still avoid the risk of angry customers with itching skin. It seems this is the thinking of a lot of artists out there - it ain't worth the hassle, so they don't bother.

Still.. they do look fucking cool.

What's your take on the issue Lenore? (I really like yours by the way, and am blown away that you can work so well at such a weird angle. Can you dislocate your shoulder at will or something?)
 
 
petunia
14:10 / 23.05.06
Oh. That link didn't quite work. If you search for 'uv' or 'blacklight' on that site, you'll get to the stuff i meant.
 
 
Supaglue
14:24 / 23.05.06
Ta Tramp.
 
 
Lenore of Babalon
21:44 / 23.05.06
Tramp, I've definitely seen that reaction a lot. And there have truly been a number of unhealthy attempts at alternative tattoo inks. A local studio was manufacturing its own UV pigments about 12 years ago or so, but stopped due to health concerns. They're the ones that did my white ink tattoos. I've also heard anecdotal stories of ravers tattooing themselves with flourescent paint. Bad Idea.

Anyway, when this new ink came out I really examined it. I've got a fair formal background in chemistry so I was at least somewhat aware of what I was reading. Finally decided that it all looked kosher to me and used myself as a guinea pig first. I'm very comfortable with its safety.

As for attitude, that's a different story. It's true that there have been some definite bad choices in body modifications, but then again, years ago people were sticking bones into themselves and rubbing woad into cuts. Experimentation is where all of this comes from anyway, and there are new mods being experimented with and developed all the time. A lot of people in the subculture I think go too far in trying to over-legitimize something that is quite edgy anyway, and I think that attitude reflects it. I can say that of the people I've experienced first-hand arguing against UV ink, not a single one of them would have been able to articulate a biological reason against it.

Also, the arguments tend to be the same that can be made against standard inks as well. I have hyper-sensitive skin. I can only wear jewelry made of silver or stainless, I'm limited on makeup, soaps, etc, and have to sew cloth over the metal studs on the inside of any jeans I buy so I don't have huge yucky, oozy lesions which develop very quickly. I've had allergic reactions to several of the inks used in my tattoos - long term itching, irritation, etc. I also have clients who sometimes reject the cosmetic pigments I use. Interestingly, I had no problems with the UV ink. This doesn't mean that I think it's safer than regular ink, but it illustrates how each body is different.

So. In short, I have a mixed reaction to the large number of people issuing warnings. On the one hand I respect their concerns about the health of their clients and attitudes toward tattooing, but I'm convinced it's a reaction based on ignorance of properties of the pigment, as well as a large degree of neophobia.

Oh, and I'm not double-jointed! I just put my elbow in front of me and looked down my shoulder - stiff neck every so often, but not bad. The one on the outside of my ankle was harder even though I had both hands - I had a sore knee for a week!
 
 
petunia
00:04 / 24.05.06
Thanks for the info!

A few more questions i'm afraid:

What uv ink did you decide to go for in the end?
Is it easy to get hold of?
Do you reckon it'd be hard to find an artist willing to work with it?
Have you had to put up with any kind of negative reaction or criticism from other people about the tat?

Sorry about the inquisition - i'm just well intrigued!
 
 
Lenore of Babalon
02:22 / 24.05.06
I used the Biometrix brand. I ordered it from a supplier, and as I remember I had to give my Tax ID as a business, but that's pretty common with most suppliers I've dealt with. As far as finding someone to work with it, I really don't know. As you mentioned there's a stigma attached to it, but it never hurts to ask around.

I've had a number of really negative reactions to it - almost exclusively from tattoo artists. I originally tried to argue it when it came up but only once did the other person admit he had no real idea and had just "heard it around that it was bad". Generally I'll just let it slide - I think it's a waste of my time to debate in cases like that. Like I said though, none of them could really articulate a real reason for it. And it's kind of funny that in the wide spectrum of the body modification subculture, there are a lot of opinions on what's acceptable and what isn't. And I'll freely admit to having ethical issues with certain ones myself, so I think that it's probably the same thing with the UV ink. Of course, I may be completely wrong and my left arm will fall off tomorrow, and since I (rather eccentrically, I know) mouse with my left hand and type with my right I'll have to learn to mouse with my foot. Oh well.
 
 
doozy floop
18:04 / 24.05.06
Lenore: Also, the arguments tend to be the same that can be made against standard inks as well. I have hyper-sensitive skin. I can only wear jewelry made of silver or stainless, I'm limited on makeup, soaps, etc, and have to sew cloth over the metal studs on the inside of any jeans I buy so I don't have huge yucky, oozy lesions which develop very quickly. I've had allergic reactions to several of the inks used in my tattoos - long term itching, irritation, etc.

Can someone reassure me - I have very similar reactions to jewellry, buttons, belts, soaps so maybe also have sensitive skin, but I've never even thought of having reactions to tattoo inks. What can be done to avoid getting landed with a permanent irritation? (In the itchy tattoo sense, not in the oh-how-I-wish that phrase etched onto my person was spelt correctly sense.)
 
 
Ticker
18:16 / 24.05.06
doozy, a tat shop will be happy to put a tiny dollop of ink on top of your skin some place prone to sensitivity, like your inner arm. If you are going to react, you'll see it within a few hours. If you do react, that skin is washable and will slough off taking the ink with it.

Any shop that gives you 'tude about this request is not worth having work done at any way. Though do be polite and select a not-so-busy time to go talk to them.

Perhaps there needs to be a Tattoo 101 thread as well? Maybe a general Body Mod one?
I'll go search and see if there is one already.
 
 
Ticker
18:21 / 24.05.06
I didn't f ind a Body Mod 101 thread anywhere... is there one I'm overlooking or should we start one for these kinds of questions?
 
  

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