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Korso Jerusalem
21:44 / 17.05.06
Check out the testimonial on the left.

I'm not really sure what I did to her. I am a truly civil and courteous human being, honest.
 
 
Mistoffelees
21:51 / 17.05.06
Searching for the translation, I came about this very resourceful BBC site. Lots of useful and funny translations!

Lapides provolventes = The Rolling Stones

Me transmitte sursum, caledoni = Beam me up, Scotty

Cogito ergo doleo = I think, therefore I am depressed
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
21:59 / 17.05.06
Hmm. I am really thinking of "I think, therefore I am depressed." now.

I'd rather not bog my body down with too much serious sentiment.

I wonder if that would look right under a skull, or if a new design should be requested...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:04 / 17.05.06
I know kanji tatts are a bit naff, but I've always thought getting "The Great Sage, Equal of Heaven, was here" on my middle finger would kind of rock.
 
 
Mistoffelees
22:21 / 17.05.06
Are tattoos on hands legal in Britain? I´m not so sure, if they are legal here, but I know that face tattoos are illegal here.
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
22:26 / 17.05.06
What, in Britain? How can they make body art illegal? That is some hideous legislation right there.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
22:28 / 17.05.06
I've seen guys with face tatoos round britain. Don't think it's illegal.
 
 
pony
22:42 / 17.05.06
mine...

 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
22:50 / 17.05.06
I got a tattoo in London last October (first one pictured here, actually) and the tattoist told me that facial tattoos were legal if there was a signed note from a mental health professional accompanying the request. Or something similar.

Anyhow, two tatts here, adding another in July.

This was my "I'm in London, should celebrate" tattoo:



My London friends saw this, still bloody and oozing under Saran wrap, and said unanimously "you're bloody mad." Which, if I lived in London, would be entirely justifiable: tattooing the symbol of an antiquated, broken-down source of torment on my arm. For me, though, it was a symbol that (a) the London transit system has the best graphic design, bar none, of any system in the world, and (b) that the best things in the world all start underground. Note the word after BARBELITH at the top of the screen, folks. And that was long before I joined the site.

My first tattoo, though, was this:



...which was chosen based on some spiritual interests at the time (back in 1996, before Madonna had any interest whatsoever in Kabbalah, I hasten to add) and also on the principle that it is a nice, simple, geometric design that will never require reams of explanation for the potential future kids or grandkids. It's either a profound statement on the nature of divinity, or a nice goddamn shape. Note that one of the lines isn't complete... a mistake on the tattoist's part, but I took it as a sign at the time. Might get it finished at some point.

And both in context:

 
 
Mistoffelees
22:51 / 17.05.06
If I remember it correctly, face tattoos are illegal here, because they make you unindentifiable, it´s like wearing a mask.

For example, if someone got robbed, later on ze could only say: "Well, the face was covered in a tattoo. What the tattoo looked like? I don´t remember anymore."
 
 
Mistoffelees
22:57 / 17.05.06
Matt, is it a coincidence that Binah is a white dot in both photos, or is that sephirah really white on your back?
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
22:58 / 17.05.06
I'd see that point if it were face paint that were illegal, but a facial tattoo would make you easier to identify, no? I mean, there are a lot more "white guy with a big nose and green eyes" in the UK than "guy with a giant spider tattooed right across his goddamn forehead."

I had to sign a form at the tattooist's -- Diamond Jim or something, in Soho -- and asked at the time "what if I wanted to get a facial tattoo" and the nice man told me I needed a note from my psychiatrist.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
23:00 / 17.05.06
Matt, is it a coincidence that Binah is a white dot in both photos, or is that sephirah really white on your back?

Coincidence, and the first photo is just a crop of the second.
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
23:03 / 17.05.06
Matt, that Kabbalah piece on your back looks great. I hesitate to put anything spiritual on myself, as I've always done my best to remain agnostic.

As for the Underground thing, well, it is indeed unique.
 
 
Princess
23:14 / 17.05.06
As soon as I find a) the money and b) a tattooist who wont chat on MSN while he is doing a tattoo (I kid you not, one friend said he spent a minute deciding whether to put down his ciggarete or his beer before he started hers) then I am getting a dandelion-seed either on my iner wrist (to be close to my pulse) or on my foot. Theirs a whole thing about being able to live anywhere and survive whilst still being a very pretty flower. At the moment I'm still loking for the right image aswell. Any graphic designers who like the idea of a swashbuckler canvas, PM me.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
06:32 / 18.05.06
"I know kanji tatts are a bit naff, but I've always thought getting "The Great Sage, Equal of Heaven, was here" on my middle finger would kind of rock."
Heh, you rock, Mordant! Just as long as your finger didn't also end up smelling of Monkey pee...
 
Anyway, a couple of people have mentioned being dubious about getting coloured tattoos... the koi on my right arm is coloured and still looks as good as it ever did, but apparently I have good skin for tattos. So I guess it's all down to how well your skin hold the ink...
 
 
Ex
07:09 / 18.05.06
Are tattoos on hands legal in Britain? I´m not so sure, if they are legal here, but I know that face tattoos are illegal here.

They're legal, I believe, but most reputable tatooists won't do them, because of the high chance of regret and reprisals. Which means either calling back in to a tatooists at regular intervals over a long period of time with persuasive reasons and impressing them with your maturity and sincerity (as my mate did) or going to a man called Rancid in a garage in Slough.
I tried to get tatoos on my fingertips, but the chap refused - no hands, no necks, no faces - and also told me that they wouldn't hold the ink - it would wear away. So they're on my wrists. Will find picture.
 
 
jeed
09:06 / 18.05.06
Some great photos/tats here...i like mordant's headink especially, tempted with something similar but the threat of receding hairline at some point in the future's putting me off a bit...

closeup as requested




The bit running over my collarbone was the mostpainfulthingeverintheworldeverTM , though I now want to get some of that UV reactive ink running through the middle of the lightning bolt.

 
 
grant
19:14 / 18.05.06
Esto perpetua (May she live forever) is the state motto of Idaho.

Misereatur tui omnipotens Deus, et dimissis peccatis tuis, perducat te ad vitam aeternam. (May almighty God have mercy on thee and having forgiven thee thy sins, bring thee to life everlasting.) is from the Latin Mass.

Deus, cujus Unigenitus per vitam mortem et resurrectionem suam nobis salutis aeterne praemia comparavit... (O God, Whose only-begotten Son by His Life, Death, and Resurrection, has purchased for us the rewards of eternal life) from a rosary prayer.

I think the specific words would depend on if you mean "Live forever" as a command ("You! Live forever!") or if there's an invisible subject to the sentence ("I will… live forever."). Probably a few other shifting tenses & modes, too, and different senses of the word "life."


In pinyin, The Great Sage, Equal of Heaven, was here, would literally be Da shi tian(*)-de pingdeng shi-le zher.

Da shirr chee-an duh peengdung shirr-luh char!

Characters would be:
The Great Sage, Equal of Heaven, Was Here.

(*) note that the emperor was actually called "son of Heaven," or tianzi, although Heaven itself had an emperor, or actually a couple emperors; under Shang Di, the supreme ruler/creator of Heaven (also called Tian, which is the word for Heaven itself), there's The Jade Emperor, Yu Di or Yu Huang (Huang is a worldly/political ruler, Di is a sagely ruler), who's the supreme force in folk Taoism. So "Tian-de Dadi" might be a better translation for "Sagely ruler belonging to Heaven."
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
19:30 / 18.05.06
Thanks anyway Grant, but I've decided on "I think, therefore I'm depressed."

It sounds so much less heavy.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:31 / 18.05.06
grant, once again you rock my world. (I actually have that ep of the old Monkey! programme on video; I may have to go and freeze-frame it, see what characters they used.)
 
 
grant
01:39 / 19.05.06
Monkey program? Huh.

I should say I'm not really sure of the syntax there, but it's as close as I can get (with plenty of help from the Zhongwen dictionary).
 
 
Lenore of Babalon
05:47 / 19.05.06
Oooo! A favourite subject of mine. Grabbed most of these with my crappy webcam - please excuse.

First tattoo - 1984 - Tiny little unicorn, left shoulderblade. Best image I could get.


2 - 1985 - Dragon, right shoulderblade.


3&4 - 1993 - Sirrush, forearms (left showing). Originally done in '90 as scarification, then traced over in '93 with white ink.


5 - 1993, 1994 - Dragon, left leg, unfinished.


6 - 2002 - First self-inflicted tattoo - right ankle.


7 - 2003 - My kiddo's name w/swallow and sacred heart - left side chest.


8 - 2004 - Second self-inflicted tattoo - dragon/triskelion in UV ink.


Hope this wasn't overkill, but I like tattoos.
 
 
Sniv
10:22 / 19.05.06
Crikey Lenore, that UV tat is awesome. I've been talking to my friends about it, and we all wondered - can you see it normally? Is there a bit of scar tissue on the skin in daylight? I love them, and want one soooo bad.
 
 
Triplets
10:28 / 19.05.06
John, as near as I can tell there some faint reddy-pinkness where the UV ink is.
 
 
jeed
10:47 / 19.05.06
Lenore, that looks fantastic, how long's the healing time for UV ink? Is it much more expensive than regular work?

Veryverytempted...
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
12:09 / 19.05.06
A UV tattoo! I've never actually seen one, and that looks great.

If I could be sure of its invisibility, it would be fun to get an elaborate facial UV tattoo. The pinkness warns me otherwise, but a well-hidden piece could be great in a club.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:44 / 19.05.06
Wow, UV tattoos fucking rule.
 
 
Sekhmet
12:57 / 19.05.06
I think the normal-light photos where they show up reddy-pink are freshly done tats. It's just skin irritation.


Need to get a photo of my tat, but I'll have to get help because it's in the small of my back...
 
 
Dead Megatron
15:30 / 19.05.06
UV tattoos cause cancer...(just kidding)

And that glowing in the dark thing would really ruin one's job as a ninja.
 
 
Ticker
17:56 / 19.05.06
I'm an ink/scar addict on my way to being covered. Here's my thigh Dobar Cu ('Dower Coo' dark wet hound) he's a mythical water monster from Ireland that likes eating people.

 
 
Lenore of Babalon
22:42 / 19.05.06
Thanks for all the UV tat compliments. It's definitely a conversation starter.

John, I'm all freckly on my shoulders, and where the tattoo crosses the darker pigmentation it's visible at a short distance, but is pretty much invisible from more than a couple of feet.

jeed, it takes about as long to heal as a regular tattoo in the same area. It does indeed stay pink for a while, then fades to a purplish, then finally becomes just a faint scar after about 6 months or so. The thing is, a regular tattoo heals the same way, only you cant see it due to the colour put in.

I'm not sure what the going price would be. I was intending to charge 15 - 20% more than a regular tattoo, mainly due to the fact that the ink is very thin and I found it a lot harder to work with (probably augmented by having to work one-handed looking down my shoulder!), and felt I could justify it due to the novelty as well. I've been doing permanent cosmetics for the past 4 years (forgot to mention my permanent makeup in my list of tattoos) and was going to offer it, but interestingly, while a lot of people ask about it no one's ever scheduled an appointment, so that's the only one I ever did. I haven't seen anyone else locally doing it so I'd hate to even hazard a guess at what other people charge.

Phallicus, My experience with doing facial cosmetic tattooing is that the irritation tends to actually stand out a lot more at first, but fades a lot quicker than other areas of the body. It would be visible for a while as a fading red mark.

The other thing about visibility is that the ink itself is actually white, but unlike white tattoo ink, blends in and becomes invisible on lighter skin. I suspect that the darker the skin tone the more the white in the pigment will show up.


UV tattoos cause cancer...(just kidding)

Yes, but only in other people, hence my perpetual singleness. Sad, as I always thought I'd look quite fetching in Cerenkov Blue....
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
23:14 / 19.05.06
I suspect that the darker the skin tone the more the white in the pigment will show up.

Oh, lovely! I'm a pasty white boy, so I'm all set to do terrible things to my face.

Permanent makeup too, you say? You have all the cool bodywork, don't you? How's that working out? I heard it mentioned on the radio a while ago and was immediately curious.
 
 
Lenore of Babalon
20:49 / 20.05.06
Phallicus, the permanent makeup side of tattooing is pretty interesting. Some clients want a really bold look and use it in place of applied makeup. More seem to view it (and this is my preference as well) as a fallback so you have a subtle, slightly made-up "normal" look. I get a number of male clients interested in "eyelash enhancement" which just puts dots of colour at the base of the lashes for a more "intense" look (probably a culture-subjective viewpoint - there are many things I personally don't see as aesthetically pleasing, but the customer is always right...). I have my eyeliner done in a medium thickness largely because my lashes are very light and before I got it if I didn't wear liner I'd likely get asked if I was feeling ok. Ah, vanity...

From a practical standpoint there are also a lot of differences: the pigments are generally less bold than regular tattoo colours; the lips and wet tissue around the eyes handle tattooing differently than other areas; etc. Not to mention that the aesthetics of making changes to facial features are significant in different ways than applying art to other areas of the body. F'rinstance, whether a line at the outside of the eyes or mouth goes up or down can result in adding or removing years to perceived age. A personal example is that now that the IT slump is reversing and it looks like I'm regaining a career and decent income I'm looking very seriously into a facelift (the good thing about aging is that your options for body modification increase). I've put off getting permanent lip colour since what may be an aesthetic enhancement now stands a good chance of being a detriment after the topological changes from facelift surgery. So yea, it is tattooing, but there's definitely a different dynamic behind it.
 
 
Korso Jerusalem
00:38 / 21.05.06
That sounds like I imagined it, mostly.
It's funny that long eyelashes are in style for men now. I was always a bit embarassed of my ridiculously long girl-lashes until a few years ago, when they became miraculously fashionable.
 
  

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