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Oh dear. : A thread about things that tick you off quite a bit, and might even elicit a frown.

 
  

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paranoidwriter waves hello
11:34 / 27.09.06
Clarkson decided to use his mate's brush with death as another chance to have a go at Health and Safety PCGONEMAD!11!

I'm sure I heard/read somewhere that Clarkson's initial response to Hammond when first saw him after "The Hamster" woke up in hospital was:

"You're such a shit driver."

But I admit, Clarkson annoys the shit out of me, especially when he's on about Safety and Green issues, but he's easy to make into an archetype; he's a character playing a role and enjoying something he's passionate about. Anyone can hate that, if they choose. I mean, it's not as though he lines up Green protestors and runs them down in a (sp?) Hummer... er... does he?

Indeed, apparently the Hamster smiled when he heard his friend and comrade's jokey criticism. I respect that.

Seriously, speaking from personal experience, Health & Safety can be a real pain in the arse, sometimes, and there are jobsworths in every industry who (maybe with good intentions) make life "less fun and/or risqué" for others, in the name of their Science. Might even tick me off at times...

Back on topic: today's frontpage of the UK's 'Daily Mirror'. For the love of Dog, I will not repeat what the UK Prime Fucker has said about his legacy. Made me want to strangle a diseased Bunny. But I won't...

...And relax....
 
 
William Sack
11:36 / 27.09.06
I can't recall there being a pressing human rights angle to that case though.

(in response to Ignominous)
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
11:43 / 27.09.06
there are jobsworths in every industry who (maybe with good intentions) make life "less fun and/or risqué" for others

Oh yes, I forgot all about the "but speeding is fun" defence. Silly me.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
11:45 / 27.09.06
(threadrot/) Good point, William Sack. Interesting... Hmmm, I now wonder whether there is an online carbon emissions calculator which could be used to calculate every animals Green credentials, and compare them to see who are the worst offenders. I might start a thread, 'A Carbon Emission Offenders League Table' thread.... if I find the calculator thingymy. Or else, maybe I'll wait and see if the Barbelith Purity test mentions Green issues as well as other "rights" related issues.. Nice point. (/threadrot)
 
 
William Sack
11:51 / 27.09.06
Ah, there was a human rights angle to the Nat West 3 case. It concerned the absence of the requirement in considering extradition requests from the US that the extraditing judge is satisfied that "the request contains admissible evidence of the offence sufficient to establish a prima facie case against the person". I would have imagined that a prima facie case would have easily been made out in the Nat West 3 case though, as one of the Defendants, David Bermingham, admitted that "The bare facts look horrible." Anyway, I am starting to bore even myself now.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:21 / 27.09.06
I found myself thinking "Wrong one."

You have no idea how many times I heard the phrase "why wasn't it Clarkson?" when I turned up at work that night to see the headlines. So many times, in fact, that, even with my burning, inspirational hatred of Clarkson, I didn't feel the need to say it myself. And that's a LOT.

The speed cameras thing really pisses me off. There was a guy wrote into (surprise!) the Mail last week, saying that constantly having to look at his speedometer was ruining his concentration and making him a more dangerous driver.

To be fair, they also published a letter in response saying that if he couldn't control his car and look at the speedo at the same time he should hand in his license there and then.

If the proposition that "looking at the speedometer is dangerous" is in any way true, then WHY THE FUCK DO THEY PUT THEM IN CARS AND WHY THE FUCK HAS NOBODY NOTICED THIS GLARING ERROR IN THE FUCK-KNOWS-HOW-LONG SINCE SPEEDOS WERE INVENTED??? You rampant fucknugget.

(not the trunks, obviously. I agree one should not be admiring underwear while trying to control a motor vehicle).
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:23 / 27.09.06
Actually (apologies for the double-post, but I'm ticked-off... trying not to go into Hate and Anger mode, but, y'know...)

it also REALLY irritates me when people complain about "law-abiding" motorists getting busted for speeding.

Sorry. The law tells you what speed you can drive at. If you're speeding, you're not abiding by it. If you can't grasp even this simple piece of logic, then you REALLY shouldn't be behind the wheel, because you are clearly either insane or stupid.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
12:32 / 27.09.06
Or a Hamster?
 
 
Tabitha Tickletooth
13:22 / 27.09.06
Ignominious - I do appreciate that Liberty will take on cases which are unpalatable to my sensibilities, and I do acknowledge that there is a principle at issue here which is a serious one. BUT, like all other organisations, I imagine Liberty only has so many resources to devote to fighting against human rights abuses. Surely they do pick their cases to at least some extent and I rather wish they hadn't picked this one.

WS - To me, the NatWest 3 case, while my sympathy was similarly disengaged, did seem a bit different. I didn't like them, but the extradition issue (as I understood it, and I would need to check back to be sure) was a new arrangement between the US and the UK being tested out with very serious implications for all future extraditions if it were allowed to proceed.

The speeding cockheads case, however, seems to be an instance where a principle which could have human rights implications (and therefore an undeniably serious and important principle) is being exploited to defend someone's right to break the law, threaten my life if I happen to be cycling anywhere near them and not have to be held accountable. I suspect these are the same fuckers who want Britain out of Europe and complain about their rights as imperial measure using, white upper-middle class men being constantly usurped by the EU. These can't possibly be the first people who have been asked to identify who the law-breaker was in a speeding car and I (admittedly, as a non-car driver at present) am yet to see the ensuing degradation in the rights of all people around me as a result.

Oh no, I fear I am tipping the thread into rage. The case itself makes me headsick, the fact that Liberty has taken it on makes me a bit disappointed. Withdraw and breathe...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:28 / 27.09.06
The thing with driving cases and "human rights" is, it all comes down to the fact that driving is NOT a right.

A car is a piece of machinery. As is a chainsaw or a nuclear power station. If I can't operate them properly, do I have the "right" to be in charge of them? I'd fucking well hope not, for my own safety, let alone other people's.
 
 
Quantum
13:32 / 27.09.06
Stoat, you have every right to be in charge of the entire nuclear power programme for the UK as far as I'm concerned.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:33 / 27.09.06
Yes, but you're evil.

Mind you, it could be fun...
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
13:34 / 27.09.06
Indeed TT, they do pick them. Most likely there is a degree of selection that is intended to demonstrate that they don't favour one group over another.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:38 / 27.09.06
But I admit, Clarkson annoys the shit out of me, especially when he's on about Safety and Green issues, but he's easy to make into an archetype; he's a character playing a role and enjoying something he's passionate about. Anyone can hate that, if they choose. I mean, it's not as though he lines up Green protestors and runs them down in a (sp?) Hummer... er... does he?

I'd argue he's made himself into an archetype.

I don't particularly have a problem with him liking fast cars. It's his anti-environmentalism, his general advocation of a selfish "me first" society. That's what pisses me off about him. The way he venerates these impossibly fast cars that you'll never be able to appreciate fully on any public road in the UK without breaking speed limits.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's suggested running protestors over in one of his columns (in an "Only joking!" sense of course).

Seriously, speaking from personal experience, Health & Safety can be a real pain in the arse, sometimes, and there are jobsworths in every industry who (maybe with good intentions) make life "less fun and/or risqué" for others, in the name of their Science. Might even tick me off at times...

I agree, to an extent. But you get people like that in all walks of life. Clarkson likes to paint each and every person who works for HSE as barely human drones nibbling away at everything that makes Britannia great. Personally, the HSE at my labs are helpful, friendly people.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:39 / 27.09.06
I wouldn't be surprised if he's suggested running protestors over in one of his columns (in an "Only joking!" sense of course).

I'm pretty sure I remember him advocating them being shot at some point. I'd imagine running them over has also appeared.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
13:41 / 27.09.06
Unlikely, it might leave a mark on one of those lovely cars.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
13:46 / 27.09.06
Oh, sure I wouldn't put anything past him. And I doubt I'd swap phone-numbers. I might share a whisky with him and ask him what he really feels though; might be interesting away from the glare of the Speed cameras (?)

And I like Engineering. I'm shit at properly understanding its mechanics, but it all I have to do is think "Fred Dinbar" and I smile.

[Threadrot/] I've been thinking for ages now about starting a "Thought Crime" thread in Switchboard or HeadShop. What d'ya reckon? Is there an old thread better suited for this? Please PM me and let me know; I'm crap at making decisions at the mo' [/Threadrot]
 
 
William Sack
14:12 / 27.09.06
Tabitha, I have had a quick gander and it seems that there were some issues surrounding the extradition arrangements between UK/US. One concern being the ability to extradite without a prima-facie case being proven, a measure which was not reciprocated by the US because it did not ratify the extradition treaty. However, the Natwest 3 would have been extradited on the old prima-facie case basis. Liberty were highlighting something which was of considerably concern using unlikely poster boys.
 
 
William Sack
14:13 / 27.09.06
Oh, and Clarkson once said that he wanted to leave his patio heater on 24/7 just to wind up Greenpeace. Fucking twat.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:19 / 27.09.06
BUT, like all other organisations, I imagine Liberty only has so many resources to devote to fighting against human rights abuses. Surely they do pick their cases to at least some extent and I rather wish they hadn't picked this one.

I would agree, although I'm aware that there are people who understand the situation better than I do. The Natwest 3 was a case which potentially would set a precedent, and an icky one, for extradition from the UK, whereas Rollerboy jus seems to be a nob. On t'other hand, there may be implications I can't see....

Case in point: last time I was in New York, a Klan rally was being proposed, and Giuliani was seeking to prevent it by invoking a 19th-century law against marching in masks in New York City. The ACLU was, much to its own disgust, put in a position where it had to defend the right of the Klan to march through Manhattan. Not because its members would feel inclined to piss on the average Klansman were he to find himself aflame, but because the Mayor of New York was demothballing an ordnance that was assumed to have become dormant and which might have, if allowed to go unchallenged, then been used to criminalise or prevent all sorts of marches from then on.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:20 / 27.09.06
Oh, and I don't know what a "Thought Crimes" thread would entail, PW, so I wouldn't know where to put it. What did you have in mind?
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
14:27 / 27.09.06
Pssst.. Haus, send me a PM, and we can work it out together... Threadrot, innit?.. Well, for me it is, anyway; seeing as I wouldn't mind talking more privately with someone like your good self about this issue and others...

Actually, yeah, sorry for my threadrot: I could come back in a bit after thinking of something that actually ticks me off though,... or maybe not. I have happy music on, afterall...
 
 
William Sack
14:31 / 27.09.06
More threadrot. My favourite thought-crime story.

Billy Bremner to referee: Referee, what would you do if I called you a cunt?

Referee: Why, I would send you off.

Billy Bremner: What would you do if I thought you were a cunt?

Referee: Well there's not much I could do about that is there?

Billy Bremner: Referee, I think you're a cunt.
 
 
Quantum
15:00 / 27.09.06
I had no idea those Hamster wheels were so dangerous.
 
 
MattShepherd: I WEDDED KALI!
21:10 / 27.09.06
Goddamn postal services never delivered Kali her chocolate from the Candy Exchange thread. I don't know whether to blame Canada Post or USPost, but whenever something crosses a border, there's no way to track the damn thing.

Jerks.
 
 
Baz Auckland
02:51 / 28.09.06
Blame the sniffer dog, or the hungry customs clerk... odds are, you know...
 
 
Twice
22:19 / 28.09.06
Judith Bloody Cook, late peddler of dodgy goods. I mean, I was in hospital for a couple of days and, passing the Friends’ bookstall, fancied a bit of likely fiction to lighten the hours. The Slicing Edge of Death caught my eye, not least due to the recommendation from The Financial Times: “An exciting, readable novel”. PHAH! Look at this, the opening:

There was no reason why anyone, least of all William Bradley, should have known that 18 September 1589 was to be the last day of his life. To the regular customers of the Bishop Tavern [‘Tavern’…it has to be a fricking ‘Tavern’…], on the corner of Gray’s Inn Road and High Holborn, the sight of the landlord’s son, drunk, belligerent and spoiling for a fight was commonplace: drink merely aggravated a basically unpleasant personality. Bradley spoke first, fought second and thought, if ever he got round to it, a good deal later.

Listen. The New Statesman and Society says “…there’s hardly a wasted word and the narrative clips along at a spanking pace.” I thought I might get a measure of Tudor rompiness mixed up with a bit of historical doolally, but I didn’t want pure shite writing:

Finally, having drained his tankard of ale, belched loudly, wiped his hand across his face and then down the front of his greasy doublet, he took down his rapier from the hook on which it was hanging by its belt and strapped it on. He had now only an hour or so to live. What is this? Willard fucking Price?

Of course, ‘Kit‘ Marlow was whipping-good with his rapier.

This book is a slug. It’s made out of cheap research and a stick of UHU. It cost me 50p and three days later I am still angry with it. It ruined my hospital stay and I had to make do with Channel 5 and Doris Lessing. I want to type the whole bleedin’ book out, just to prove how shit it is. I should post this in the anger place, but it doesn’t deserve it.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
17:58 / 29.09.06
The NEWS always ticks me off...

Did you hear the one about the poor man who drove for nearly eight miles down the wrong way on the M4 and has been given a two year suspended jail term?

Do you reckon this poor bloke, Mr Ali Abdo may be, just maybe, like a "The Hamster": you know, was actually probably just nervous and made an error in judgement, for which he's now feeling a lot of pain and attention?

I quote:

"In court Abdo, who admitted the offences, was described as a nervous driver who had never driven on a motorway before."

Not "Mr" Abdo, mind. Did you notice that? How the respectful formalities which help us all to stay respectful are slipping...
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
18:19 / 29.09.06
(Oops! I actually, genuinely slipped up myself in that last post. The first link isn't supposed to come back here. I have asked for it to be moderated. Sorry for my part in this confusion.)
 
 
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22:10 / 29.09.06
Did you notice that? How the respectful formalities which help us all to stay respectful are slipping...

Not wishing to be dismissive (and I do find the convention a bit odd myself) but it is standard practice in most papers' style books to remove the title of anyone named in an article so that, after first full mention, Mr Groovy Paranoidwriter will forever after be "Paranoidwriter", whether you be a Dr, Mrs, Prof, Sir, Miss or whatever. The only exception being Judges and Law Lords who remain "Lord Fartwit".
 
 
Smoothly
22:16 / 29.09.06
That was my initial reaction too, cube, but look at the second article PW links to - which is the next article on the page - and the Hamster is referred to as Mr Hammond throughout.
 
 
■
22:54 / 29.09.06
Looks like a direct PA feed lift to me. The style for the wires is usually much sloppier and geared to an international audience to generate a buzz than most print media will actually use. It's about churning out stuff quickly which can be used by as many outlets as possible (ie. if anyone uses it, their own subs can deal with it) while shoving the most sensational angle possible.
 
 
Spaniel
09:03 / 30.09.06
So then, my Grandfather recently died, leaving his suburban London home to my Mother and Uncle. The house is in a reasonably nice area and in pretty good order so it looks set to net my family a tidy sum. All good, then?

Er, no.

You see, for the last fifty years or so my grandparents lived next door to Margaret, a rather lonely woman. She lost her husband in the war, has next to no family, and for one reason or other has managed to make few friends. In fact, after my Gran died she tried to get my grandfather to marry her, citing company in their old age as the motivating factor - my Grandad refused, he couldn't stand her. All in all she's a pretty tragic person but not someone you'd want to live next door to as she's more than a little intrusive and overbearing.

That said, none of us were expecting what's happened.

Last weekend prospective buyers weren't just greeted by the estate agent. Oh, no. Apparently, Margaret, who - God knows why, and much to the agent's horror - has a front door key, insisted on following each party around the house and lecturing them on how the blacks and asians and muslims were ruining the area, and how she wants a nice white family living next door. According to the agent at least one seriously interested potential buyer was lost after Margaret (in her own words) "took her to one side and explained things". If that wasn't bad enough she's also been telling house hunters that she owns the passage that runs behind the house - a blatant untruth.

My Mum has been on the phone to her but it's difficult, especially for someone as altrusistic and kind as my mother. Margaret's racism's unpleasant but we're talking about a scared, vulnerable old lady, who's just watched the last link to the community she knew and loved wither and die. She really has nothing left, but she also not our responsibility and my family could really do with selling the house before winter sets in and the housing market stagnates. So the plan is for Mum and my uncle to go up there in the week, take back the key and set Margaret straight: she can't go into the house, she can't speak to prospective buyers, she can't interfere with process in any way. The estate agents have already been told to keep her at arms length.

Ho hum, it's rather mental and annoying but also quite sad.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
16:40 / 30.09.06
Horrible stuff, that...my heart goes out but I'm scuppered as to what you should do about the situation. Just have the agents kindly ask her to leave them alone "on the day", I suppose.
 
 
Spaniel
17:23 / 30.09.06
Well, tbh, I think she'll respond to a good talking to, but that doesn't solve the lonely old woman problem. There's really nothing to be done about that.
 
  

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