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Barbegig - a proposal

 
  

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Sekhmet
17:13 / 20.03.06
it might be fun to webcast the whole shebang so non-local Barbefans can tune in.

Oh, please do. Otherwise I shall weep buckets.

Stupid ocean. (*shakes fist at Atlantic*)
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
20:03 / 20.03.06
Ummmmm, good, good, good. What? What does Barbelith undersigning mean to people who aren't here? Something to do with Invisible, errm, stuff. See the thing is, I think, that a great many people who'd be quite happy to see these bands, djs, art projects, have a night out, etc. would be quite uncomprehending of the whole inner meanings of Barbelith, and that would be quite a good thing. I don't know anything at all about The Invisibles, and never understand any of that little mentioned(last 3 years, tho I completely concede that it may all pass right over my head) subject and I think my ignorance is my own bliss. People read and retain so little of flier info as well. My point is that if you all put effort into the project, you should be proud of using Barbelith as a name of the umbrella you're all standing under, working together, rah rah! etc. I don't think the music loving public who'd be up for coming to an event like this will be too red circle centric so as to pose a problem. And if it puts more intersting members with even wider views on the board, wouldn't that be quite nice really?
Maybe Barbelith is more exclusive than I realize tho. I never know about these things.
Happy to help with any of my usual helpfulness. In the project I mean of course.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:34 / 20.03.06
Yeah, personally I'm of the view that we should try to make this an event that attracts a lot of people - a more private party has its own attractions, but with these potential bands playing, it would seem a bit churlish towards them and anyone who'd want to hear their music to restrict it that way. Plus my very limited experience of these things is that you want to try and get as many people as possible along, not worry about it the other way around...
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
09:46 / 21.03.06
Agreed. You can get very unstuck if you worry about who is going to turn up, rather than who isn't.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
09:53 / 21.03.06
if it puts more intersting members with even wider views on the board, wouldn't that be quite nice really?

Yes. That's why I'm not sure we should bother putting barbelith on the flyer.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:01 / 21.03.06
But I really don't think many people who saw this hypothetical advertising/promotion would know what "Barbelith" meant - people who are just interested in The Invisibles find this site through Google, it doesn't necessarily work the other way round, especially if you're only talking about a small credit that mentions the site at the bottom or top of the page. But I've said that enough times now, so I'll shut up and let someone else talk, possibly about something else...
 
 
rizla mission
10:12 / 21.03.06
So might it essentially be a good idea to pitch it in a way that's kinda like...

(small text) Barbelith presents...
(big text) WHATEVER THE DAMN THING'S CALLED

So people for whom 'Barbelith' conveys meaning will presumably pick up on it, but others won't be put off or confused..?

And I would of course like to announce my availability to DJ a wide variety of cool music any date, anywhere for any length of time - if I drop out of sight whilst this event is being sorted out, just email/PM me and I'll *be there* man.
 
 
rizla mission
10:17 / 21.03.06
I subsequently note that above idea has been comprehensively discussed on the previous page.

Anybody wanna whack me with the "READ WHOLE THREAD BEFORE POSTING" stick, cos I hang my head in shame.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:21 / 21.03.06
Ah but you have reminded me, riz, that one thing I was going to ask was, do we want to give the event its own name? Two advantages to this: 1) it helps reduce the need to decide what order to bill the bands (of course you still have to come up with a running order, and I doubt our lovely pals would be precious about that kind of thing anyway, but it still helps); 2) it's bloody useful if you're ever going to... whisper it... do another one.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
12:47 / 21.03.06
A name for the night is good in principle, but can be really difficult to come up with to suit all future purposes.

For example, if we say:

Barbelith.com presents...

BARBARIAN ROCK PARTY

...a night of subcultural musical (multimedia???) engagement, featuring

Burning Idiot Noise
Hunting Lodge
Morning Bride*
etc

+DJs
Flyboy
Mike/M**m
Rizla Mission
Tango-Mango
etc


We might end up with future events being thought of as being entirely Barbarian-related with a rock element.

If we just have:

Barbelith.com presents a night of subcultural musical (multimedia???) engagement, featuring:

Burning Idiot Noise
Hunting Lodge
Morning Bride*
etc.

+DJs
Flyboy
Mike/M**m
Rizla Mission
Tango-Mango
etc.**


then we have flexibility for the future.

But then again, it could go:

(first gig) Barbelith.com presents BARBARIAN ROCK PARTY
(second gig) Barbelith.com presents Pirate Crew vs Ninja soundclash
(third gig)Barbelith.com presents The French Fancy Ball

etc. etc.

On the issue of using the Barbelith name, I see the potential problem with mentioning it at all, assuming it's more than a private party, and attracting rabid Invisibles fans expecting something more comics-related than it turns out to be.

However, given the valid points mentioned by others above, that it would be a shame not to let more than just Barbelites be aware of the event, how about if it were done as The Drones Club in association with barbelith.com presents... for example?

That has the advantage of widening the audience base a little bit while also broadening the promotional identity: those who want to see it as a Barbelith event will do so, and others will perceive it as a Drones Club night, while many people won't even notice it at all and will view the event as (band X who they're heard of) playing plus (other bands and some DJs they might have heard of from Kosmische/It Came From The Sea/elsewhere).

We could then charge a fixed amount on the door/in advance, but maybe give a discount to Barbelithers and their guests?

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*nb - alphabetical not necessarily running order.

** this is just for example purposes and is not a definitive or preferred list
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
13:25 / 21.03.06
The event obviously should be billed as:

Barbelith presents "It Was A Sexy Party. An Orgy"
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
13:31 / 21.03.06
*guffaws*

...from The Bleed!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:39 / 21.03.06
Ha, this is definitely turning into a discussion about *cough* branding. I was in denial about that until now.

We might end up with future events being thought of as being entirely Barbarian-related with a rock element

Well, the trick is to come up with a name that suggests something which we want to stay the same each time, but which isn't restrictive. Funny, I thought about Barbarity. Then I thought how appropriate that was for Hunting Lodge, and then in turn I thought "yeah, but does that mean it always has to be noisy and hairy and that?" Of course some nights do have a sonic identity, but I'm fairly certain this wouldn't be one of them. Does 'Barbarity' suggest something more specific than just general bad behaviour? Anyone else got suggestions?
 
 
Bed Head
13:55 / 21.03.06
Way-ull, I'm going to suggest "the barb presents...". There's also "the lith presents... ", but I don't like that so much*. But, yes, a brand, absolutely - something so we all know where we're talking about, but there's no Invisibles connection to be seen.

*(Also, "the barb" has oodles of potential for bouquet/barbed wire graphics. With BLOOD, and flowers... and, I dunno, wine. and stuff. Thinking of a poster/flyer/logo/brand identity, there's all sorts of visual things you can do with a word that just means 'a bit spiky'. And I think of "barbs" as the sort of thing that Wilde and Whistler would traditionally trade instead of fisticuffs or any ruff stuff, and I like that. Perskonally.)
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
14:02 / 21.03.06
Ha, this is definitely turning into a discussion about *cough* branding. I was in denial about that until now.

I was (and am) in a way too - I made very sure I didn't use the term "corporate identity" in my post above.

Well, the trick is to come up with a name that suggests something which we want to stay the same each time, but which isn't restrictive.

Just so. The restriction we have in terms of using the name for future events is any mention of a link to Barbelith, assuming that were to remain beyond one or more events.

Funny, I thought about Barbarity. Then I thought how appropriate that was for Hunting Lodge, and then in turn I thought "yeah, but does that mean it always has to be noisy and hairy and that?"

I like it, but it also doesn't necessarily fit the other two main bands - BIN are certainly noisy and somewhat hirsute in person, but not especially barbaric. As for MB, save Jim's messianic looks and the obvious fact that while Mono has hair the band are not barbarically hairy, musically or otherwise.

Of course some nights do have a sonic identity, but I'm fairly certain this wouldn't be one of them.

Not on the current line up of noisy jazzcore/psych garage rock/alt.not.exactly.country it doesn't. Would these three bands appear on the same bill elsewhere? I doubt it, and while BIN and MB have played at Drones Club events before, it's been on bills which match their sounds a little closer than the Barbegig's.

Does 'Barbarity' suggest something more specific than just general bad behaviour?

From the Free Dictionary:

bar·bar·i·ty Pronunciation (bär-br-t)
n. pl. bar·bar·i·ties
1. Savage brutality or cruelty in actions or conduct.
2. A cruel or savage act.
3. ... Crudity; coarseness.


while 'barbarism' has:

1. An act, trait, or custom characterized by ignorance or crudity.
2.
a. The use of words, forms, or expressions considered
incorrect or unacceptable.
b. A specific word, form, or expression so used.


Which isn't that promising, really - unless we're bringing out the racks and fetishwear along with murdering the (musical) language along the way...

I suppose it could have connotations of a risk-taking punkish attitude of disobeying or being outside the civilized norm, but (BIN's recent soused slamdancers aside) do we really want that sort of atmosphere being suggested?

Sorry, I'm probably dissecting this term too much - mostly because I'd quite like to find a way to use it positively, but can't. It would be a good in-joke in some ways, but almost everyone at the event would miss the point, and would possibly not turn up in first place as a result.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
14:04 / 21.03.06
I'm going to suggest "the barb presents...".

How about "From the Barb" as a name for the night?
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
15:11 / 21.03.06
Won't it be a little bit funny if there turns out to be a line round the bend peopled by hard rockin mother fuckers in biker gear and slightly frightened comix geeks(no offense to either stereotype, i like/and or hate you all without reference)all looking for quite something different than what it all is? ["dude, i thought this was a night of barbarians!" "i thought it was a Moorcock signing"]
Best hit yet, imho, is Drones Club in association with Barbelith presents...etc. etc. Obviously The Drones Club will do stuff in the future and carry on whether or not there's another Barbelith related event. Or maybe not I suppose.
Say! Isn't a lot of time getting spent on this name issue when actual details need to be sorted? Time, date, venue, participants, who's fronting cash, who's promoting, and other tidbits as such?
Also wondered if it was decided whether non Barbelith performers were being asked? Certainly a lot of non Barbelith stuff gets promoted on this board, even by me. Or is this just asking for too much chaos. Can there be too much chaos? Please?
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
15:51 / 21.03.06
Say! Isn't a lot of time getting spent on this name issue when actual details need to be sorted?

Good point. Yes indeed, but still a useful thing to thrash out at some stage. The name is not so important for now though.

Time, date, venue, participants, who's fronting cash, who's promoting, and other tidbits as such?

*Times: I propose 8.30pm-whenever, venue depending, to allow plenty of time to soundcheck and setup beforehand and then for each group to perform thereafter.

*Date: I will either PM the bands in question or they can post suitable Saturdays here (I'm assuming a Saturday night would be best, especially if it's an all-nighter) in June - and July for safety's sake - when they are available to play.

*Venue: awaiting word from elsewhere.

*Participants: See elsewhere in the thread and below.

*Cash and promotion: Interesting questions. I seem to be organising it as I started the thread, but assistance is always welcome. Cash deserves more thought.

Also wondered if it was decided whether non Barbelith performers were being asked?

I would say not, as the initial purpose of the event is to gather together bands and DJs plus other featured artists/designers/etc. from Barbelith's pool of talent rather than a wider gig/event that just happens to feature 3+ bands from here.

I'm more than happy to put on a Drones Club night featuring everyone from Barbelith in conjunction with artists from our circle of contacts, but for this event it should probably be Barbebands only.

Can there be too much chaos? Please?

I'm pretty certain there will be a plentiful supply at various points.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:36 / 21.03.06
How about-

Barbfest

Strong Truth

or my personal favourite-

Real Live Tiger.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
21:47 / 21.03.06
STRONG TRUTH/ TEH STRONG TRUTH is good.
 
 
rizla mission
07:16 / 22.03.06
SUGGESTION; would it not be a good idea to try and score an 'all-dayer' styled event, so as to have a more laidback timeframe in which to fit in all the various malarky and ideas being suggested along with socialising etc and the inevitable organisational chaos that accompanies these things..

..I'd imagine it would also probably be easier to find a venue too and generally easier to organise than the proposed 'all-nighter'.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
07:54 / 22.03.06
I suppose, but can I put in my vote for an all nighter? They tend to be more fun/messy and you don't have to feel so bad about getting slaughtered (after we've played, obviously).
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:28 / 22.03.06
Wasn't sure I had much more to say for now, but now I have an ulterior motive in bumping this thread (to push another one down).

Whether it's an all-nighter, an all-dayer or just a normal 8-12 evening will depend on the number of bands and DJs, and how long each would normally play for, right?

I'm also not big on Strong Truth as a name, but I agree that that should take a backseat for now...
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
10:58 / 22.03.06
Yeah, working out what's going to be included in the rider is the burning issue.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:20 / 22.03.06
Can I just say again that I WANT TO DO A POSTER!.

Thanks.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
11:48 / 22.03.06
Tango can correct me on this, but timings are more dependent on venue, surely? What space we can get and how long they'll let us in there for?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
12:08 / 22.03.06
On an organisers' tip, enormously useful checklist for events planning. I've used this, and it's a great way of making sure things actually happen and exciting talk and brainstorming doesn't subside into a big nothing.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
15:09 / 22.03.06
This might be the perfect place for myself and Macready to unleash our double-deck slamdown of purest Fonk (yes, with an 'O'). Depending on how much time we have, obviously.
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
15:35 / 22.03.06
Erm. I'm not one of the Facist London Red Plush Elite Snobtroll Fishcakes posse, but if it's necessary I'd be delighted to provide extra musical ensembles and/or graphics design mojo for the Event. And also like the idea of "Barbarity", because it is Syllabically Pretty.
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
05:20 / 23.03.06
Check on the checklist GGM. Perfect sort of suggestion I reckon. Thank you.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:01 / 23.03.06
Real Live Tiger!
Real Live Tiger!
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
09:22 / 24.03.06
I'm lacking in sufficient cheek to offer my services for poster/flyer/programme visuals - Barbestalwarts like Bedhead, Macgyver and Suedey (and Lentil, surely) should do the honours, not some lousy, erm, Barbeffiliate - but, if those chaps were up for doing some sort of collaborative design (along the lines of the individual comic strips already mentioned, but maybe more compact), so as to nicely reflect the anticipated diversity of the musical line-up... well, that would be a thrill.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
12:44 / 24.03.06
I think a variety of different posters with the same info would be righteous. We could all play then! Anyway Nelson, fuck that, you should totally do something.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:23 / 29.03.06
Adding vote for Real Live Tiger. That is all.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:31 / 29.03.06
Real Live Tiger
 
  

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