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Barbegig - a proposal

 
  

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Seth
09:25 / 06.01.07
Yeah, Bardens sucks. Or maybe it was just that we sucked at Bardens.

I'm rounding up my sexy men for you. I'll have an answer on when we're free shortly.
 
 
Closed for Business Time
10:53 / 06.01.07
Yeah! Corsica! I live so close I could walk home blind and paralyzed by moonshine, carrying a non-midget under each arm! Enough with the !!!'s and threadrot anyways. Tell all here ASAP dear musicos. Cha-cha-cheers.
 
 
iamus
21:45 / 07.01.07
I was just thinking about this today. I should check the gathering more often.

Can we make sure there's adequate time between the booking and the actual night? If it's too close then I probably won't be able to organise getting down in time, and I really want to make it along to this.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
22:28 / 07.01.07
OK, Iamus raises a good point. We've got a possible date for a Saturday in February (the 17th) available, otherwise March is looking less easy and April could be less optimal for a variety of reasons.

Does mid-February give people enough time?
 
 
iamus
22:34 / 07.01.07
Depends on when mid-February is locked down
 
 
rizla mission
12:56 / 08.01.07
Well March/April might give me a bit of time to get a group together...
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
18:05 / 08.01.07
Well March/April might give me a bit of time to get a group together...

That's something to bear in mind, but we can also follow on with more events if this is a success. I'm awaiting word from the venue if any Saturdays are available at all in March.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:55 / 09.01.07
With all due respect to people who might need advance notice in order to attend, since this has been in the works for a year now I really think that it would good to fix the first date that two or three bands could make ASAP, so that it becomes a reality... I hope people understand that it's my excitement and desire to see this actually happen that makes me say this, not any kind of party-pooper grouchy selfiness.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:28 / 09.01.07
Hilariously, five minutes after posting that I found out about something else that's happening on the 17th Feb. Hmmm. This would still take precedence, I think.
 
 
■
11:16 / 09.01.07
Ooh, I might even in be down south sometime in the middle of February.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
12:30 / 09.01.07
OK, the 17th is still available, but will cost a substantial (but not excessive) amount, which will need covering, as will band and other expenses.

So how much would people be willing to contribute on the door for an all-night (eg 10pm-6am*) Barbelith bash, with three (minimum) excellent bands playing live on a great PA in a very cool venue? There are two rooms, the DJ/films room having an equally great sound rig, and we can fit around 300 people in. Will that many people come, from Barbelith and elsewhere? In order for it to break even, we will need to get as many people in as possible - but it will also be a terrific night of fun to introduce non-lithers to as well.

This is all moving fairly rapidly now, so all interested parties need to be checking their diaries for the 17th February as a possible date.

Flyboy, it would be an impossibility for this event to go ahead without you. On reflection, I think a Saturday would be much the better night to do this, so I hope the 17th works out for you.

*the earlier we finish the less we have to pay for the hire. The more we drink at the bar, the better for the venue (and us) as well. Who on Barbelith likes drinking all night under the railway arches?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:42 / 09.01.07
I'm around that weekend for MCing duties.
 
 
rizla mission
13:18 / 09.01.07
I'm certainly in if needed to promote / turn up / generally help out on that weekend. And a DJ slot would be just swell too (hint).
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
13:34 / 09.01.07
Rizla - thanks, all help will be appreciated.

And a DJ slot would be just swell too (hint)

That too!
 
 
Mike Modular
15:28 / 09.01.07
17th is good for me too, still willing and poised to assist...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:29 / 09.01.07
300 people sounds like a daunting prospect to me, but perhaps just that's because my own experience has been of putting on things that needed fewer people and still got fewer people than they needed. I'd say the important thing is to get the bands confirmed and start promoting NOW, and not to see Barbelith as even a main source of people who'd attend - there just aren't enough active members of the board...

I imagine you could get people to pay, what, £6 for this?
 
 
Totem Polish
18:30 / 09.01.07
I imagine you could get people to pay, what, £6 for this?

That sounds pretty reasonable, my experience with promoting to students would suggest a similar amount, although you can bump the price to £8 after midnite and perhaps negotiate some sort of deal on booze before that time as well?

People will be encouraged to come early, get pissed...and hopefully be pissed enough to drink and STAY all nite. Also means the early acts won't be playing to absolutely nay-body only to have the indignity of having to queue for aeons at the bar half an hour after they're finished (in theory at least...).

It's your judgement call in the end Django, you probably know more about this than any of the rest of us.

Also, would like to volunteer my services as DJ again - would be well up for it.
 
 
Totem Polish
18:34 / 09.01.07
Also a close friend of mine fliers for large promoters of all types of dance and noize music and I'm sure I could encourage him to slip a flier for this in with his more usual fare...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:22 / 09.01.07
I'd be there, I can think of three whole non-barbelith people to bring with me!
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
19:16 / 10.01.07
Ok, if we can't do the 17th for various reasons (yet to be confirmed one way or the other) how would Saturday 10th March suit people? Better or worse? Assuming it's still available and not more expensive?
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
21:24 / 10.01.07

It's your judgement call in the end Django, you probably know more about this than any of the rest of us.


Not entirely true, I'm sure.

Right - time for a moment of cold, hard reflection on money matters.

The bottom line on doing this project is - are we willing to pay collectively up to a grand or more for the hire of the venue and expenses for the bands (eg a backline to help everyone out so they don't have to lug amps around from Brighton, Southhampton and Stoke Newington and possibly elsewhere if the Stella Maris drone orchestra also join in)? Is it worth it for the venue (which I would say it is in many ways) on a Saturday night? Or should we be considering throttling back our ambitions and looking at somewhere else which will involve less expense up front to try it out first?

I suggest that if we do want to do this gig as an event a bit more than just a bunch of bands playing - ie make it an event for us all and others to remember - we're going to have to make some decisions quite soon.

I think that the best model I've seen for this is Seth's collective chipping-in for the Melt-Banana gig Hunting Lodge put on in Southampton (which was a roaring success). This thread explains the process - basically a number of supporters put in anything up to £50 each in advance to make sure that Melt-Banana's fee could be covered, plus the hire of the venue. However, they were also promised a proportion of any eventual profit if the evening made money - which it did.

Obviously there will be people coming though the door and paying around about £6-£7 (or at a stretch a little more, but it's probably a push) for a night of top-notch music. But we can't guarantee for certain that we'll get the 150+ people needed to cover all the costs, let alone make sure bands and others get something more than just the thrill of playing such a wildly fabulous night - and if it goes uproariously well, maybe pass some money along to Tom to contribute to the hosting costs of Barbelith. The key word here is guarantee - I am confident that there are enough people who will want to come along to cover at least the minimum of the venue hire - but what if they don't?

So do we think there are enough of us willing to contribute something each in advance to make this happen?

I am also aware that maybe 6-7 weeks is not very long to prepare for something like this, hence my wondering in the post above about looking at March instead. Or maybe even later in the year? The general wisdom is that 6 weeks is the minimum amount of time it takes to publicise an event enough in advance so that people will come.
 
 
rizla mission
07:33 / 11.01.07
Both the pushing back of the date and the collective stockpiling of individual contributions to costs seem like good ideas to me.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:16 / 11.01.07
10th March as a date is fine by me. The other advantage of pushing the date back is that I can probably contribute a bit more cash towards putting this on - will try and work out how much and PM you...
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
08:36 / 11.01.07
Ok, that's really useful to know, and thanks for the offers. I suspect it will be better for Morning Bride too.
 
 
Seth
11:12 / 11.01.07
10th March might be better for the Lodge. We're trying to work around Clive's xylophone tour with Boduf Songs, my going to California/training Filthscum at work, possible (but increasingly unlikely) Chris Corsano gigs and a recording session. Sorry to have no definite answer on this yet.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
14:01 / 11.01.07
March would be better for us too. More time to organise, hire vans, learn the set etc.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
15:13 / 11.01.07
Ok, as it definitely seems to suit everyone better for March, let's consider February a non-starter.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
17:42 / 11.01.07
Great! You'll get more than three, blearily remembered songs and a 25 minute freak-off out of us in that case...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:43 / 11.01.07
OK, just booked March 10th off work.
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
10:59 / 12.01.07
OK, just booked March 10th off work.

Ah, this is always going to be a problem sorting these things out, inasmuch as 10th March is not confirmed yet, and people who need to book time off well in advance might find themselves taking several days off (or for that matter making travel plans) before the final date is settled.

We've also been offered Friday 16th March for a fair bit less than Saturday 10th March. I still think a Saturday is best for this sort of thing, but others may differ, and it's a third cheaper on a Friday.
 
 
illmatic
16:57 / 12.01.07
I'm really hoping it's not the 10th....
 
 
Olulabelle
20:44 / 12.01.07
Out of interest, why are Saturdays better than Fridays?
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
23:38 / 12.01.07
Good question.

I suppose the positive thing about Saturdays is that people from out of town don't have to travel in on a Friday, hence possibly having to take time off work or other pressing schedules. Those of us setting stuff up ditto.

However, they are cheaper to hire the venue.
 
 
rizla mission
00:09 / 13.01.07
Also: just speaking for myself, staying up till 6am after a day at work is unlikely to say the least.

SATURDAY is the night for such things.
 
 
johnny enigma
11:03 / 18.01.07
Um, can mine and Mixmage's band Planetman still play? I think he asked ages ago and got a positive answer when this was first being planned like, six months ago or something. I didn't realise the idea was still being kicked about.

This is a slightly off - thread suggestion, but I reckon if barbelith can pull off an all nighter then there ought to be a festival in the summer. There must be more than enough people to do daytime workshop/seminar type things.
 
  

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