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penitentvandal
13:24 / 08.03.06
And indeed a google search on the term 'female rapists' (due to me anticipating some cutting comment from Haus to the effect that I have the world's most amazing research tool easily to hand and am not bothering to even check my blanket generalisations about gender and rape) turns up a thread in our very own Head Shop, which I not only read, but actually participated in.

Ganesh, when you read this, could you possibly tell me if my not remembering this means there's something wrong with my mind? Ta.
 
 
iconoplast
13:44 / 08.03.06
Hey, Z - I know a lot of this thread probably reads like personal attacks on you right now. This is important:

Whether you take these as personal attacks on you right now is a choice, and up to you.

(Well, most of it. Some of these are personal attacks. But, to many of us, your ficsuit, and especially your justification of it, reads like an attack on precisely what many of us have been trying to do lately.)

I'm going to be gauche and quote myself, here, from the Feminism 101 thread:

It's odd. If I hit someone inadvertently with the paper ball I was trying to get in the trash, I say I'm sorry. But if I inadvertently injure someone with my speech, I'm much more tempted to say that they've no right to be so angry as I didn't mean it that way.

Similarly - if someone says 'Psst. Your fly is unzipped', my first instinct - before I even look down - is to cringe. Because obviously that other person's in a much better position to notice. But when someone says 'Psst. You are inadvertently perpetuating the heteronormative patriarchy,' my first reaction is more along the lines of 'Nuh-uh!'. Despite the fact that the other person, observing only my speech and not the way what I said came from what I thought and what those words mean in my private language, is WAY better equipped to tell me what what I just said actually means in the world outside my head.


People are reacting to what they heard you say. This may be different from what you intended to say or how you wanted your words to be taken. I promise that if you are able to sincerely just post some kind of 'My bad, problems with translation from inside my head to on the screen,' people will understand and move on. It happens to all of us.

You fucked up. You wrote something that, whatever it may mean in the private language of you and your friends, means something very different on Barbelith. Where it goes from here is your call. You can own up to it and apologize, or you can mount the old 'joke!!!!!!!' defense, which has worked out so very well in the past.
 
 
penitentvandal
13:52 / 08.03.06
How embarassing to find that, in fact, the only example of the 'androphobic' 'all-men-are-rapists' chestnut actually being used by anyone on Barbelith should actually come from me, in the aforementioned 'Women Who Rape' thread:

Maybe the question should be broadened to ask whether women are as prone to the desire to rape as men are

The shame, the shame.
 
 
ShadowSax
14:02 / 08.03.06
i think this whole thing could be summed up in genius fashion by someone like me who's only read 1/2 of the posts here, none of the sensitive rapist's original posts, and et cetera:

i'm going to change my name to "sensitive killer" and get three friends to call themselves "sensitive thief", "sensitive chick who has sex with her brother", and "sensitive coke dealer", and then see how long it takes for people to create pages of objections to names while ignoring actual comments written by those names, while the barbelith community avoids deciding whether or not something is offensive enough to simply delete or not quite offensive enough and therefore warrants going on for gigabytes of text content arguing about its merits. within a community that obviously values labels more than it would probably like to admit, within a community that cant ignore those it finds distasteful thus squeezing out its own view of the world, which is disturbingly similar to the bigger world, full of nutjobs that arent supposed to be attracted to "underground" communities of progressive and open thought, a world just as hung up on labels, which defines for instance former rapists as such, declares their existence down to googlemap pinpoints for all to see and bundle so that their existence is reduced to that of former rapist for instance despite their having served their time within our legal system. we live in a world that insists on labeling former rapists as former rapists, and here, we cant even accept irony enough to allow "sensitive rapist"s, even within the confines of anonymous usernames. blah blih bleh. buncha noodleheads.

signed,

your misogynist who posts here before posting in feminism 101 in order to justify already labels because irony is more fun than seriousness and because there are far too many of you who just need to lighten the fck up (which makes me a rapist apologist, i'm sure).
 
 
Alex's Grandma
14:04 / 08.03.06
Oh God.

'Nurse, the screens!'
 
 
Sax
14:05 / 08.03.06
Extremely helpful.

Now get off my name.
 
 
penitentvandal
14:06 / 08.03.06
Well, good luck with 'sensitive chick who has sex with her brother.' Given the character limits on usernames it's going to come out as 'sensitive chick who ha'.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:08 / 08.03.06
While you're at it, maybe you could find out how many murder-attempt survivors are likely to be reading this board, or how many people who've lost someone they care about to murder. Then do a bit more research and compare those numbers with the number of rape survivors, friends and family of rape survivors who are likely to be reading the board.

Then you can piss off.
 
 
iconoplast
14:10 / 08.03.06
Let me guess:

you're joking!!1!!!1.

@whee. How very fucking clever, Shadowsax. I really think you are a valuable addition to the board. Where would we be without your wonderful humor? You have, indeed, convinced us to lighten up. What were we thinking? Why would we have wanted to be so serious?

You're right. This whole thing could be summed up in genius fashion by someone like you. Thank god we have you. Sensitive chick who has sex with her brother is a GREAT fiscuit. Totally. I don't know WHY we're being such downers.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
14:11 / 08.03.06
How is a point so big so easily missed?
 
 
Evil Scientist
14:12 / 08.03.06
which makes me a rapist apologist, i'm sure

And a cretin.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:13 / 08.03.06
In case anyone came in late - Shadowsax does not believe that rape, wifebeating and child abuse are anything like as bad as giving women the right to procure abortions without male permission. His hatred and fear of women is based on ignorance, but it's an ignorance he is very proud to maintain. Why he has decided to hang out on Barbelith rather than LadyfearBBS I have no idea.
 
 
■
14:21 / 08.03.06
And you can equip yourself with one of one of these while you're doing it.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:22 / 08.03.06
Can we space him too? I want to see both of 'em sucking vacuum.
 
 
grant
14:23 / 08.03.06
Oddly, the first association I had with the username didn't involve women at all.

It was to be reminded of Stephen Donaldson.

When I was 14, I joined a by-mail punk rock club/zine he organized. He was cool. The club thing lasted through maybe two newsletters before he kind of vanished. More than 10 years later, I read about why.

His autobiographical poem "The Seventh Rapist", is the third one down on the page.

So, I have a strong personal reaction to the name, but it's not entirely negative. Just... I don't know.

I'm abstaining from a definitive opinion on this one.
 
 
iconoplast
14:30 / 08.03.06
Oh, man. I just teared up when I clicked the link and realized Stephen Donaldson was Donny the Punk.

He used to run the IRC Channel #oi-punk (right? Was that it?), and... yeah. I remember the day I heard about his death much clearer than any other celebrities' passings.
 
 
grant
14:43 / 08.03.06
I dunno -- I only knew him before there was an internet.
 
 
iconoplast
14:50 / 08.03.06
I think an article of his in MRR pointed me to the IRC chatroom.

I also remember the first time I found out that the way 'Donny the Punk' got his name had nothing to do with music.

...wow. That's just not a name I've thought about in a long time.
 
 
ShadowSax
14:53 / 08.03.06
In case anyone came in late - Shadowsax does not believe that rape, wifebeating and child abuse are anything like as bad as giving women the right to procure abortions without male permission.

for the record, thats wrong. i believe that rape and wifebeating and child abuse are worse than not telling the father of a fetus that the mother is going to have an abortion. you've arrived at that conclusion because you are someone who likes to label and cant carry on a conversation without applying sterotypes.

so we can make fun of murder victims because theyre dead? are you serious? is it ok then to make fun of rape victims who were also killed?

shallow, you some of you. v v shallow and weak. my condolences to the people who have to actually speak with you on a regular basis.
 
 
Jub
14:54 / 08.03.06
meh/
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:05 / 08.03.06
You say that, Saxy, but you have already said or strongly implied that none of these three things should preclude somebody from, say, having custody of their child. I have a feeling you wouldn't feel the same way about a woman daring to have an abortion without telling the father first.
 
 
matthew.
15:09 / 08.03.06
i believe that rape and wifebeating and child abuse are worse than not telling the father of a fetus that the mother is going to have an abortion

Couldn't you have simplified this a little bit? What's the point of bringing the moral-muck of abortion into this? What good did it do to your point?

As well,
so we can make fun of murder victims because theyre dead? are you serious? is it ok then to make fun of rape victims who were also killed?

I don't get it. Where did you get this nugget of logic?

Whatever. I can't imagine why we're still arguing about this. Sensitive [blank] needs to change the name. It doesn't fucking matter if it was a joke, or if Barbelith is being overly sensitive or any of that. It is simple fucking courtesy. I find it immature and incalculably childish to think being offensive for the sake of being offensive is funny. That last sentence doesn't even make sense, I'm so angry.
 
 
electric monk
15:10 / 08.03.06
SR, change the ficsuit name and don't post for two months. Unless this is a suit-jacking. In which case, please step closer to the airlock.

---------------------------------------------------

Shadowsax, would you please PM your login and password to me? I have a really cool trick I'd like to show you.
 
 
ShadowSax
15:10 / 08.03.06
You say that, Saxy, but you have already said or strongly implied that none of these three things should preclude somebody from, say, having custody of their child. I have a feeling you wouldn't feel the same way about a woman daring to have an abortion without telling the father first.

again with the presumptions. you say imply, i say infer. due process should be applied in all legal cases, without bias. your feelings about my opinions, when attached to such vehement comments (i was going to say "point of view," but you never seem to have a point of view, settling instead for trying to snarkily discredit others' points of view) are nothing more than semantic violence directed at those you "feel" deserve it, not thru actual statements, but by your presumptions.
 
 
matthew.
15:14 / 08.03.06
shallow, you some of you. v v shallow and weak. my condolences to the people who have to actually speak with you on a regular basis.

And yet, you seem to post frequently on this board. Perhaps you enjoy our company...?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:14 / 08.03.06
So, that's what you believe, you know that it is actually too apalling to say outright, but you are too proud to disclaim it?

Semantics indeed. That's a pretty damn big sign you just built.
 
 
Ex
15:27 / 08.03.06
Maybe posters could engage with ShadowSax by PM, rather than derail this thread. Because on previous form, and on the basis of his posts here, I can see the derailment taking four pages or so, easily.

(This post has been phrased in a deliberately noncomittal manner so as not to appear to be in itself an engagement which I would then be suggesting ShadowSax not reply to.)
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:28 / 08.03.06
so we can make fun of murder victims because theyre dead? are you serious? is it ok then to make fun of rape victims who were also killed?

No, you unconscionable moron. That's not what I said at all. Once again you've completely failed to understand a relatively simple post.

My point was that murder is considerably rarer than rape, and therefore more abstract. You are far, far less likely to offend or distress someone on the board by calling yourself something-or-other Killer than something-or-other Rapist.

As has been pointed out very eloquently by a lot of people who you've chosen to ignore, rape and sexual assault are not rarities or abstracts. They're as common as grit. I believe the official figure for the UK stands at one in four women; that could be your mum, your daughter, your girlfriend, your mate, whose suffering you are belittling.

Or one day it could be you. I'm not sure of the figures for men since male sexual assualt survivors underreport even more than women. Would you still think it was funny?

How in the name of all that's holy anyone could find the concept amusing is beyond me.
 
 
Ex
15:32 / 08.03.06
(Also wasn't intended as a criticism of anyone who has so far replied to ShadowSax for trying to engage.)
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:33 / 08.03.06
Shadowsax, you bore me. Are you ever going to post anything that is actually worth me reading?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:54 / 08.03.06
He did say that he was leaving the board fairly early on in the F4J thread, I think.
 
 
Jawsus-son Starship
16:03 / 08.03.06
Well if the kid was looking for some attention, he certianly recieved it. Prepare for next month when he throws shit at us across his broadband line.

Personally, I hope he sucks it up and fucks off out of it.
 
 
ShadowSax
16:05 / 08.03.06
mordant, you small minded twit.

lady, chicks like you bore me, too.

my post is miniscule compared to its responses, which brought up issues about me that had nothing to do with my post here. i won't continue it. i'll leave you to rot the thread on your own. dont blame me for your own pettiness.
 
 
matthew.
16:15 / 08.03.06
Good gravy.
 
 
Sniv
16:20 / 08.03.06
Okay people, what did we learn on the first day of message-board school? That's right. Don't feed the trolls.
 
  

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