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Krug
04:52 / 08.03.06
I've just noticed that I have 7 unread messages complaining about my nickname. I'm sorry for not responding earlier because I just dont look at that part of the page and don't notice "unread messages" since I only receive them occasionally.

Some of you have suggested that I should not post until I can change my nickname again which is still 26 days away.

I can understand why some of you may be upset at the nickname and even think it's rather juvenile but I'm afraid in my vaccum its a bit of a joke. That said I profoundly apologise for upsetting anyone who is sensitive. I'm not going to raise the contentious issue that adults should be allowed to joke about everything but since this is a community and several of you are find it offensive. So I reiterate my apology for offending you as Barbelith as much yours as it is mine. Meaning I think I should be allowed to participate without being gagged.

I realise now that if I saw this nickname on someone's profile I wouldn't be sure how to pereceive it but I wouldn't jump to a conclusion. I try to laugh at everything and this is an inside joke between me and my friends about the warped androphobic reality tunnel that "all men are rapists." Since I'm accused of being very sensitive by just about everyone, I said that I would howl and tear up after sexual intercourse. Or at least I should since I am both "sensitive" and a "rapist."

In all seriousness I'm as sensitive to these issues in the real world as anyone can possibly be who hasn't had a first hand experience of rape. But I'm a little miffed that in a community mostly composed of forward thinking astute and intelligent adults there would be a kneejerk response that simply says that they are terrorised by words without being aware of context which does define everything. I won't criticise your choice to be presumptuous and take the liberty of assuming what context this could exist in but I would like to hear other opinions.

I didn't mean to hurt the feelings of strangers blindly on the internet. I tend to do that to twats in real life. If an overwhelming number of you feel that I should after my apology and explanation refrain from posting then I'll resume contributing next month.

Sincerely,
Z.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
05:07 / 08.03.06
The thing is, people don't want to see that name while they search around Barbelith. For a variety of reasons which you can find in the policy. I don't have a problem with you posting again, but not while using that name.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
05:36 / 08.03.06
I can understand why some of you may be upset at the nickname and even think it's rather juvenile but I'm afraid in my vaccum its a bit of a joke.

Quoted without comment.

That said I profoundly apologise for upsetting anyone who is sensitive.

Interesting choice of words - so, anyone who doesn't want it around is "sensitive"?

I'm not going to raise the contentious issue that adults should be allowed to joke about everything

You just did.

but since this is a community and several of you are find it offensive. So I reiterate my apology for offending you as Barbelith as much yours as it is mine. Meaning I think I should be allowed to participate without being gagged.

There is no connection between these sentences. Also, consider the use of the term "gagged". You're not exaclty Aun Sang Suun Kyi here, son.

I realise now that if I saw this nickname on someone's profile I wouldn't be sure how to pereceive it but I wouldn't jump to a conclusion.

That's very big of you, but I don't think anyone has "jumped to a conclusion". They have looked at your username and decided that it is offensive.

I try to laugh at everything and this is an inside joke between me and my friends about the warped androphobic reality tunnel that "all men are rapists." Since I'm accused of being very sensitive by just about everyone, I said that I would howl and tear up after sexual intercourse. Or at least I should since I am both "sensitive" and a "rapist."

The fact that you are talking about sex in the hypothetical speaks volumes here. For more on this cocking imaginary "warped androphobic reality tunnel", see here.


In all seriousness I'm as sensitive to these issues in the real world as anyone can possibly be who hasn't had a first hand experience of rape.

This is clearly untrue.

But I'm a little miffed that in a community mostly composed of forward thinking astute and intelligent adults there would be a kneejerk response that simply says that they are terrorised by words without being aware of context which does define everything.

The context here being that you and your friends think that rape is funny, and that by shouting "I'm a rapist!" you are somehow getting revenge on t3h evil feminists? That does define everything, certainly.

I won't criticise your choice to be presumptuous and take the liberty of assuming what context this could exist in but I would like to hear other opinions.

My opinion is that the context in which you came up with this name suggests that you and your friends do not talk to women and have no experience of women as social or sexual companions. Since this is pretty much what I presumed, I don't think my choice, or the choice of many other people here, is something you are going to have much luck criticising.

Now, read back over your messages and recent emails. One of them should be from Tom Coates. Tom runs this board. He has the power to change your name, and is probably offering to do so. You may want to explore this option with him.
 
 
Seth
05:45 / 08.03.06
At one point our guitarist wanted to name one of our songs Magical Rapist. I refused point blank for largely the same reason I take issue with the fictionsuit, in that communicating on the subject of rape is difficult and emotionally charged enough without the woefully misguided belief that you can spin it for humour value, even if that spin is what you believe to be an absurdist juxtaposition of words. You never know who you're going to be talking to and what their experience is. Given that I know for a fact that the number of sexual assaults that take place is far, far higher than generally reported, and that I don't think that it's stretching the truth to say that most women will at some point have had sex when it's not what they wanted, I think using the fictionsuit will cause too many issues, and that the mature, caring and responsible thing would be to remove yourself from the possibility of communicating things you state that you don't want to until you can change it. You cannot anticipate that people will understand your meaning at the best of times, so I find it best to minimise the possibilities of causing offence unless you're totally sure it's a battle worth fighting. I don't think that defending the name *Sensitive Rapist* is a battle worth your or anyone else' time and effort.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:48 / 08.03.06
Damnit, I was just checking links and Haus beat me to it. Fastest typing fingers in the west.

'Sensitive', you might want to try consider your feelings on discovering Barbelith not being a safe-space for insensitivity and stupidity and see if you can understand the possible reasons people might be upset. There's a world of difference between discussing these topics and chosing a ficsuit name.

It will take you time but you should really consider reading these few threads if you haven't already, as they each cover, in their own way, the whole 'but it's only words' or 'Barbelith's supposed to be for free speech isn't it' issues.
 
 
Sax
06:15 / 08.03.06
It might be an idea if you re-apply for membership and ask to have that suit burned, Z.

As the previous replies have stated far more eloquently than I can, a name like that is just going to raise hackles and, unfortunately, you're going to be playing with ten men before you've even contributed anything useful to the board.

In-jokes are all very well, so long as they're our in-jokes. Now get a new suit and prepare yourself for ass-candling, etc etc.
 
 
Evil Scientist
06:56 / 08.03.06
Hi Sensitive. I'm in agreement with the above posters, and would just like to add something for you to think on. I did bring it up in another thread and you may find it relevant to your point that;

In all seriousness I'm as sensitive to these issues in the real world as anyone can possibly be who hasn't had a first hand experience of rape. But I'm a little miffed that in a community mostly composed of forward thinking astute and intelligent adults there would be a kneejerk response that simply says that they are terrorised by words without being aware of context which does define everything. I won't criticise your choice to be presumptuous and take the liberty of assuming what context this could exist in but I would like to hear other opinions.

Barbelith is made up of a diverse group of people from many different backgrounds, and some of the people on here may well have experienced sexual assault. In which case your choice of name is understandably offensive.

I would also point out that you provided no context for the name. Perhaps if you had contributed to one of the threads currently running which, at points, discuss the myth that all men are rapists, and had explained this before changing to this name, then it might have been acceptable (although probably not).

If an overwhelming number of you feel that I should after my apology and explanation refrain from posting then I'll resume contributing next month.

As has been pointed out Tom Coates has emailed you regarding changing the name. A problem raised in discussion about your name over in Moderation Requests was that changing your name in a month will still leave the offensive part of it visible in the (Prev. known as....) section.

Still, I respect that you came back to discuss this with the community.

PS I didn't mean to hurt the feelings of strangers blindly on the internet. Is really no different to walking into a pub of strangers with an ironically intended "Sensitive Rapist" t-shirt on.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
06:57 / 08.03.06
I didn't mean to hurt the feelings of strangers blindly on the internet. I tend to do that to twats in real life.

Oh, get lost, you asshole.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
06:58 / 08.03.06
But I'm a little miffed that in a community mostly composed of forward thinking astute and intelligent adults there would be a kneejerk response that simply says that they are terrorised by words without being aware of context which does define everything.

But you've given the context -- you were joking about what you see as a received idea that all men are rapists, combined with what your friends know as your tearful sensitivity -- and the word "rapist" still triggers for me, someone who has not been raped but who has close friends who have.

The context of your joke with your charming friends doesn't define the word differently for me when I see it in your name.

As a sidenote I think we might remember that the word "rapist" isn't just potentially upsetting or uncomfortable for women, but for men also (ie. men can also experience rape first-hand): this is just to point out that you risk directly ... I don't know, is "violating" anywhere near appropriate? ... the security and comfort of the entire Barbelith community, not just half of it.
 
 
elene
07:18 / 08.03.06
I'm accused of being very sensitive by just about everyone

I bet.

this is an inside joke between me and my friends about the warped androphobic reality tunnel that "all men are rapists."

You mean the view expressed by a character in one of Marilyn French's novels that, "Whatever they may be in public life, whatever their relationships with men, in their relationships with women, all men are rapists, and that's all they are. They rape us with their eyes, their laws, and their codes," I suppose. Why don't you just add, "with their Barbelith screen names" to that, Z, or do you and your friends really get called "rapist" a lot?

I didn't mean to hurt the feelings of strangers blindly on the internet. I tend to do that to twats in real life.

Oh baby, are you really for real, or were you created by some misguided feminist seeking to inspire a radical reaction?

Change your screen name, Z.

Oh hello miss wonderstarr! :-) I guess that's a reference to, "O star of wonder, star of night, star with royal beauty bright," rather than to Portishead's Wandering Star, "the masks, that the monsters wear / to feed, upon their prey," right? Actually the business with the masks sounds like Z's thing. Yes it does, Z.

Change your screen name!
 
 
Jub
07:28 / 08.03.06
Why you ever thought this would be a good idea is beyond me - but well done for addressing the matter. Don't think your explanation really passed muster. Think about changing your name, since I don't think anyone will want to hear from you until you do.
 
 
Ex
08:02 / 08.03.06
It's difficult to know where to start, seeing as I'm putting myself in the group of people you've called 'kneejerk' and 'presumptuous' before I even speak.
But actually, this breaks down, for me, into three jerks of the knee, if you will.

Point one:

without being aware of context which does define everything. I won't criticise your choice to be presumptuous and take the liberty of assuming what context this could exist in but I would like to hear other opinions.

A user name is nothing if not utterly sheered of content. We aren't that friend group, so shared discussions about sex and androphobia are not clustered around you whenever you post here. All we have is two phenomenally offensively combined words. Is this post is an attempt to 'provide context'? Because it's actually an attempt to get people to ignore context – to say that no matter how the hundreds of posters encounter your screenname, your interpretation of it is more important. The 'context' of your username is 'Appearing just to the left of your posts' – it works in communication with your posting histoy on the board, the content of those posts, and nothing else, really. A few of the board may know you in real life, but that's unusual and unreliable. The context of people reading your name is something else again which I'll address a little below.
What you're talking about is not so much 'context' - it's backstory. And you can't expect everyone to know or guess your backstory. Especially, you can't expect someone who has just been confronted with that username to go far, far out of their way to hallucinate a backstory that would make it fine and amusing.
As you have such an awareness of context, you would have done better to pick a name that would survive in any 'context' of the board – alongside posts about a film, or a book, or politics, with no attached explanation of the words of your username.

Which brings me to point two:
Your backstory is terrible. Seriously, it's worse than the Star Wars prequels at providing a sympathetic and humorous explanation of your name.
I've said in another thread that I spend a lot of time thinking 'How could this be true? How could I be wrong and this be right?'. When I did that whole schtick on your username, the explanations I thought up in my head were better than yours. Others have covered this, I think.

And point three:
The main point for me is not where this name came from but where it's going. You've given us a story. But the story doesn't limit the way in which the name goes on having effects. It's going to cause a lot of people to recoil, to be reminded of horrific things that have happened to their friend or themselves. It's going to remind them of the last survey they read with results showing how many college men believe that forced sex is justifiable under certain circumstances; and the prosecution rates, and the conviction rates. It may make people feel sick, and panicky, and like crying, and it may make them avoid Barbelith for the next month to avoid you. Or indeed for longer, as they feel that they don't want to invest in a board which condones or accepts or ignores something like this. It's only going to make you think of a jokey conversation you had with your mates and give you a warm glow. Is it worth that disparity?

This is what the name will do – those reactions are a part of its context. This thread won't change that.
 
 
Cat Chant
08:03 / 08.03.06
this is an inside joke between me and my friends

The thing about inside jokes is that by definition you have to be an 'insider' for them to be funny. Taking them 'outside' - say, by using them to represent you in a public place - makes them not funny. Which means that the only thing left is their literal meaning.
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:24 / 08.03.06
It might be an idea if we hold off for a sec and wait for Sensitive to post his responses to what's been written so far. He had the courage to respond to the criticisms of the name and has said he's willing to have a time out if necessary. He's willing to engage with other posters on this subject, which I'd personally rather do than scare him off.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:28 / 08.03.06
Yes, ES, but he also a) didn't really engage at all, just slagged people off for being oversensitive and "kneejerking" and b) said that he would require an "overwhelming" response before acting on it.

As such, I'd ask people to keep posting their thoughts to this thread.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:55 / 08.03.06
I'm struggling to determine, in my head, what level of anger I can express in this thread without being accused of going over the top, of being abusive and unhelpful, or judging a person rather than helping them learn like the special snowflake they are.

Really, I don't think any level of anger would be unjustified at this point. Especially after the first post in this thread, yet another fucking vile disingenuous "Kilroy apology". I'm sorry, I'm so sorry, I'm profoundly sorry... you're gagging me, I'm not sorry at all, I'll continue posting with this username like the fucking cretin I am, stinking up the Comics forum with my iniquity. Jesus, why are all of you motherfuckers the same?
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:56 / 08.03.06
I'd say 12 responses is fairly overwhelming. No worries though. Carry on Barbelith (as Kenneth Williams never said).
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:58 / 08.03.06
I'd say 12 responses is fairly overwhelming.

Oh no! How will the poor dear cope?
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:01 / 08.03.06
As I said, fair enough. I don't feel any particular urge to defend the idiot.

The more the merrier.
 
 
sleazenation
09:03 / 08.03.06
For the record, I find this 'fiction suit' insensitive and offensive and refuse to engage with it.
 
 
illmatic
09:12 / 08.03.06
Jesus, why are all of you motherfuckers the same?

I think we tend to hear the same arguments because the people challenged are attempting to basically defend the indefensible, thus rather than talk about/acknowledge the offense called, we get run through the limited range of possible response - thus "my mates wouldn't mind", "you are all too sensitive" and "hey, it's only a joke".

Whoever you are, burn the name. I don't know if you've read the feminism thread at all, but you certainly should. Fucks sake. Grow up.
 
 
Spaniel
09:14 / 08.03.06
kneejerk response

Kneejerk you say? You are aware that before your screen name came to the attention of the board we were having a discussion about feminism and androcentric culture. A discussion that was moving faster than any other thread in recent memory, a discussion that brought a large number of lurkers out of the shadows, a discussion that numbers hundreds of posts? And that's not all, you are aware of the off-shoot threads in the policy, and the fact that many, many 'lithers have been thinking on these issues for years?

You say kneejerk, I say very, very considered.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
09:22 / 08.03.06
This name change was a stupid, nasty act, made worse by a self-pitying non-apology. A new forum low.
 
 
Olulabelle
09:29 / 08.03.06
I would like to 'officially' register my difficulties with this name. I thin you should stop posting anything, anywhere under it and since an overwhelming response is requested I would say

CHANGE YOUR USERNAME. NOW.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
09:39 / 08.03.06
He can't Lula. It'll take another month.

Then, of course, it's going to take *another* month for it to stop appearing on the board. So I'm rather afraid that you're going to have to refrain from posting for at least eight weeks.

I'm sure we'll manage without you.
 
 
Spaniel
09:47 / 08.03.06
Tom has emailed him and informed him that a immediate name change is more than possible
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:49 / 08.03.06
Or, as mentioned, talk to Tom, who can, if he feels so inclined, sort it, not posting until that has been sorted might be a useful learning experience, however.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
10:00 / 08.03.06
Waitwaitwait. So he's already been offered the chance to change the name and refused?

Wow. What a lump of crusty dickcheese.
 
 
Spaniel
10:04 / 08.03.06
No, I think he hasn't actually read the email Tom sent him.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:05 / 08.03.06
He doesn't appear actually to have read any of the messages he has been sent about his name, as far as I can tell from the first post on this thread.
 
 
illmatic
10:05 / 08.03.06
You are aware that before your screen name came to the attention of the board we were having a discussion about feminism and androcentric culture

In light of that, it's a little like throwing a pigs head into a mosque. Perhaps you should find an Islamic board and start posting as BaconLover if you still can't grasp the analogy.

Given that it appears to be a deliberate attempt to offend, is this another suit hijack by Andrew?
 
 
Jub
10:07 / 08.03.06
We don't know he refused - but Tom's PM was probably one of the ones he's got recently as per here - he might not have got round to doing it yet. Hopefully after reading this thread he will.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
10:12 / 08.03.06
It is tempting to pile on (I've done my pile-on above) but unless the purpose of this thread is to draw up a kind of petition in order to register the number of objections to the name, then it might be more interesting to wait for Mr Sensitive to reply. Or perhaps the thread is useful for people to express their anger at his attitude? I don't know. I can see it's hard not to let off steam, but a lot of people putting the boot into one person, however crass that person is... perhaps it's a little too easy.

Easy for me to say anyway, as I already took my shot, early on.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
10:14 / 08.03.06
If an overwhelming number of you feel that I should

is an invitation to pile on.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
10:18 / 08.03.06
Maybe he's a sensitive masochist and is enjoying it.
 
  

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