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Jack Fear
10:20 / 08.03.06
Yeah, let 'em pile. people are pissed off about this and need to vent.

God knows I do. My only regret is that I came so late to the party, and the perfect, acid-tongued scatological blast of righteous fury that I had so painstakingly composed in my head has now been rendered moot. It really pains me, because all of you would doubtless have found it both agreeable and amusing.

Anyway: SR, if your mates find you and your "dark" "edgy" sense of "humor" so goddam hilarious, why don't you fuck off back to your self-described vacuum and amuse them for a while? Or, indeed, forever?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:21 / 08.03.06
Well, he's stated that he will require an "overwhelming" response before considering his position. Since he doesn't seem to believe that there is a good reason for people to object, that result is probably only achievable with a fair number of people.
 
 
Sax
10:23 / 08.03.06
Possibly, this is where the "ignore function" comes into its own for the next 26 days.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
10:25 / 08.03.06
Whatever the merits that have endeared you to your wide circle of injoking chums, you, sir, are currently engaged in acting like a whiny, arrogant, cluless waste of bandwidth.

Don't try to turn this into a frea speach issue because it isn't. Don't try to spin it as some act of rebellion agains this mythical cabal of man-hating feminists (anyone ever seen their footprints, by the way?) because it's not. Unless I miss my guess, it's a knuckleheaded, ham-fisted reflexive response to being on the same board as people who talk about that icky feminism stuff.

Now change your fucking stupid username or piss off.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:33 / 08.03.06
Also, I know the question of "is there an onus on individual members of Barbelith to make what amounts to a collective response in order to demonstrate that the board as a whole does not accept X or Y?" is a question that's been done to death, but if ever there was a situation that demanded an unequivocal collective response, it's this one.
 
 
Proinsias
10:46 / 08.03.06
It's a stupid/offensive name.If they point has not got through by now it's a lost cause.


you and your friends think that rape is funny

That's a bit strong Haus. Apologies if I've taken this the wrong way as I haven't been closely following the threads linked above, but this sounds a little like the chanting that Chris Morris was pissing himself at the thought of kids being raped after the pedophile special - admittedly Morris was funny and this clearly isn't.

I think sensitive is in a rather tight spot of his own making at the moment as he can't reply or engage until half of his name vanishes without presumably pissing people/otherkin off even more.

If possible burn the suit as Sax suggested and start afresh. He'll be slightly annoyed at being a newbie with zero posts and we can all join in the (sensitive)ass candling.

Now change your fucking stupid username or piss off

Perhaps if people can't be bothered ranting they could just copy and paste Mordants suggestion onto a post, it seems to convey the boards feeling rather nicely.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
10:47 / 08.03.06
Sincerely,
Z.


The signature's the icing on the cake. Wouldn't know sincere if it emerged from a vaccum and hurt his feelings blindly. Stupidity and Insensitivity, those he has a talent for.

I wouldn't have bothered joining the dogpile, when so many others already have eloquently done so, but I had an urge to overwhelm.
 
 
Smoothly
10:58 / 08.03.06
Me too.
I was willing to believe he could still walk this back, but I read his response and thought, 'Flush the turd'.

I honestly believe that unless he burns his existing suit and applies again from scratch, he will struggle ever to live this down.
 
 
penitentvandal
11:00 / 08.03.06
Y'know, I, well, I dunno.

On the one hand I can see, perhaps, some merit in juxtapositional usernames, given that my own username fucking is one, but on the other hand I would never in a million fucking years call myself Sensitive Rapist.

Now, why is that? For one, I don't think you can actually be a sensitive rapist. It's a juxtaposition too far. My own username is based on the idea that you could, just possibly, generate a concept of 'nice' vandalism, i.e. unauthorised attempts to glamorise one's surroundings, as opposed to purely wanton destruction. But I don't think you can rape someone in a sensitive way. Rape, by definition, is an unwanted invasion of someone's personal space purely for one's own gratification: there's nothing sensitive about it. So I don't think it works on that level.

There is, then, the argument that it's meant to be a sort of operation mindfuck combination. But the thing here is that you have to still have some kind of reason for it. I could, for example, set up a band and call it Pagan Jesus Freak, partly because it would be a cool name, but the philosophical idea bundled behind that would be the idea of removing the figure of Jesus from a purely christian context. But even here, I'm still trying to get people to think in a certain way, I'm throwing a little bomb of content at people in order to get them to think differently about a subject. But again - how does the name 'Sensitive Rapist' in any way encourage people to think differently about rape? Are we, perhaps, supposed to think that the embattled rapist may not get a fair deal in our sick and twisted society? Hmm, no.

Or maybe it's just meant to be total nonsense. Let's say I call my hypothetical beat combo above the Sumo Lightweights, instead. Now, that's clearly nonsense: the two words are purely antithetical and there's no kind of reconciling-of-opposites behind it, it's just a laugh, it's silly, it's nonsense. Right? Right.

Except that even if I intend it as nonsense, other people are going to read things into it. Some people might even come up with really deep readings of it. Now, I'm not responsible for those readings, but I do have to take into account that my silly name will cause these kind of associations for people.

Now, if my name was 'Sensitive Rapist', what I would have to do was take into account that people would be very offended by the associations they'd make with my silly, nonsensical little joke name.

The point is, I can think of no way in which this juxtaposition - the concepts of 'sensitivity' and 'rape' can be married successfully without offending people horribly. I just don't think it works, really. You say there's a message behind it, but clearly the way you're trying to get that message across is hampering your delivery of that message and, when that happens, if you believe you have an important message (and I'm not sure you do; I see very little androphobia around me in my daily life), then you need to find a new way of getting it across.

In summary, then: change your name. Tom will help you do it, and there won't be any of this bother. And then we can all have a grown-up discussion of this 'androphobia' you think you've seen and whether or not anyone outside of Andrea Dworkin actually really believes all men are rapists. Yes?
 
 
Quantum
11:02 / 08.03.06
if ever there was a situation that demanded an unequivocal collective response, it's this one

Normally I avoid futile posts but in this case 'Me2' change the name, dogpile dogpile etc. Maybe change it to 'Sensible Facist'.
 
 
Lurid Archive
11:04 / 08.03.06
This explanation is far weaker than I imagined it would be. In the absence of an actual apology or, it seems, an awareness of the level of offence caused (beyond calling people too sensitive), I can't see my way to summoning up much patience here.

I'd hope that a reasonable person would take this criticism on board and change their display name - with Tom's help. Regardless, I hope that Tom will make sure it gets changed even if Z doesn't want to cooperate.
 
 
The Falcon
11:05 / 08.03.06
No-one supports this, Z. At all. Please check your pm's, read and think about them, accept Tom's offer to alter this (fucking stupid) username and consider yourself very lucky he didn't just ban you.

Then maybe start working on things like empathy.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
11:10 / 08.03.06
If all trace of the SR's current nom-de-plume is removed from his profile though, won't that mean he effectvely does have a new ID? Unless he announces his new name in this thread or elsewhere (which is something I can't honestly see him being all that inclined to do,) won't he be untraceable?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:12 / 08.03.06
And then we can all have a grown-up discussion of this 'androphobia' you think you've seen and whether or not anyone outside of Andrea Dworkin actually really believes all men are rapists.

Hate to ask, VV, but where does Dworkin say that she believes that? There's discussion of this around the Feminism 101 thread and "The trouble with feminist spitfires" in the Head Shop. To quote the woman herself, "I think both intercourse and sexual pleasure can and will survive equality".
 
 
penitentvandal
11:18 / 08.03.06
Possibly he could call himself 'Offensive Poster' for the first month, then we'd all know who he was, but he wouldn't be saying it?

Haus - fair point. I was just pulling a sample 'extreme feminist' out of the air.* I'm not massively familiar with Dworkin, but was using her more as representative of a certain brand of feminism which - I'm guessing - the Sensitized Rapper objects to.

*Incidentally, this is not a magic trick I recommend to anyone. I've just done it, and now Dworkin is running around my bloody house and screaming, refusing to have anything to do with me and my oppressive maleness. This is going to be very hard to explain to the cops, not least since the terms of my asbo explicitly forbid me to open interdimensional portals. Bugger.
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:33 / 08.03.06
If all trace of the SR's current nom-de-plume is removed from his profile though, won't that mean he effectvely does have a new ID?

If the basic ficsuit's the same (rather than burning it and starting with a fresh one) then presumably the new name will appear atop of this thread.

I would prefer Septic Rotatist's new identity was well known. Lest we forget, and all that.
 
 
Sax
11:36 / 08.03.06
Although there is an argument that Z could be re-allocated a new identity under the Barbelith Witless Protection Programme and hereafter only the words and deeds count...
 
 
Sax
11:39 / 08.03.06
Y'know, given that the SR suit is three years old and that there has been some minor discussion of secondary suits in policy, it wouldn't at all surprise me if someone's playing Ozymandias out there. Common enemy to unite the warring tribes and all that.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
11:40 / 08.03.06
How about Tom changes his username to 'I am a very silly person' then lets him choose his next name?
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:43 / 08.03.06
Although there is an argument that Z could be re-allocated a new identity under the Barbelith Witless Protection Programme and hereafter only the words and deeds count...

IMO He'd have to show a hell of a lot more contrition than he has here to deserve a totally clean slate.
 
 
Bed Head
11:45 / 08.03.06
“Silly person”? I’d maybe vote for calling him ‘Stupid, insensitive asshole (prev: complete nonentity that noone ever gave a shit about or even noticed)’. And then keeping it like that for a loooong while.

But instead I'm going to 'me too' for the airlock option. It’s not like he has other, valuable qualities that would be a loss to barbelith. Just some stupid guy who wants to chunter on about comics. There are plenty of places he can do that.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
11:45 / 08.03.06
it wouldn't at all surprise me if someone's playing Ozymandias out there. Common enemy to unite the warring tribes and all that.

That's why I burned "kovacs", of course. No compromise, even in the face of Armageddon.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
11:48 / 08.03.06
Presumably the new name will appear atop this thread

Ah yes, that's right.

It's not easy being 75.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
11:51 / 08.03.06
I'm not usually one for more regulation, but burn this fucker. Make him go away. We don't need another anti-feminist anti-hero around here. Too many lurking about already.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
11:56 / 08.03.06
SR, your whole post reads like you originally thought you were being clever with then name and then, when it backfired on you, you thought you ought attempt some damage limitation.

Frankly it isn't going to wash, you did something that is basically very wrong. It's understandable, you are human after all. Really the best thing that you could do here is accept that you were wrong and move on. Trying to justify the name really lacks any sense of maturity.

Also, add my name of to the list of those who feel you shouldn't post until the name is gone. I think Tom has probably offered you a very generous out under the circumstances.

A somewhat less "weaseling out of having actually done something wrong" apology would be a nice diversion from this travesty as well.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:01 / 08.03.06
Consider me engaged in dogpiling too. And for once, not only do I agree with Flyboy's sentiment, I also agree with his manner of expression.

It's the best part of two pages, mate, with only a couple of posters appearing more than once. I'd call that overwhelming.

If I were you (which I'd like to think is a considerable stretch of the imagination) I'd take Tom up on his kind offer, and I'd be incredibly, embarrassingly, yes, overwhelmingly grateful for it. Then I'd have a good long think about what I'd learned about social interaction.
 
 
■
12:11 / 08.03.06
Dear SR, as someone who always gives people the benefit of the doubt, quite often to my detriment and the scorn of other posters, I have tried really hard to find some doubt to benefit you with. There is none. Change your name.

We've all fucked up now and then, just do the decent thing.
 
 
ghadis
12:17 / 08.03.06
I don't have anything to add that hasn't been said above so i'm just adding my name to the 'overwhelming number'as it were. It was an idiotic thing to do. You really should change it as soon as you can.

Plus your explanation and apology was shite. Really bad.
 
 
Sniv
12:22 / 08.03.06
One more for the dogpile (and I'm, a heavy fucker too). I mean, c'mon Z, that's really pretty stupid, even by my own impressive limits of idiocy. I can't believe you've been reading the board and then go and call yourself something like that (and use 'twat' in the post... why'd nobdy jump on him for the sexist language, eh? ).

I'd like to add my voice to the (teeny tiny) chorus reminding users that if they really do find this poster so offensive they can't bear to look at his name (which is a distinct possibility), there is the 'Ignore' button. I doubt he's got anything more salient to add anyway, just pretend he don't exist.

I think though, banning should very much be an option here. I do not think, by any stretch, that Z will be able to get a fair hearing on these boards any more, or at any point in the foreseeable future (the feminism threads dug up some arguements over 3 years old... I can't see Z ever escaping his dumbness on this one to make posting on here a worthwhile experience).

While the idea that Z could be re-allocated a new identity under the Barbelith Witless Protection Programme and hereafter only the words and deeds count..., it's never going to happen as he has broken probably the biggest taboo we have here - I'd definitely say that sexual violence is just about the worst thing someone can do, and joking about it via your name, with absolutely no context (or a shitty conext, as he went on to explain) is a very dumb thing to do. Face it, there's no way out. I think you may have to commit suiticide.
 
 
Ariadne
12:32 / 08.03.06
Ignoring doesn't work, John, the poster's name's still there.

And adding my voice to this - Z, get rid of the name.
 
 
Sniv
12:34 / 08.03.06
Ariadne - I didn't know that (I've never had cause to ignore someone). Thanks for filling me in!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:35 / 08.03.06
Velvetvandal - Go to the "Feminism 101" thread now. Do not pass go. First three or four pages should do you.

nb. I'd like to add my voice to the (teeny tiny) chorus reminding users that if they really do find this poster so offensive they can't bear to look at his name (which is a distinct possibility), there is the 'Ignore' button.

This doesn't block out the user name, however, John.
 
 
matthew.
12:45 / 08.03.06
Uh. Change the name. Is that an overwhelming response yet? I can't be bothered to deal with this poster anymore. How can you not see that you have 7 unread messages?
 
 
Dead Megatron
12:48 / 08.03.06
And the ignore button would not solve the problem of any response-posts in thread the fella chooses to participate in. Closing your eyes does not make reality go away, you knowl...


I knew this guy's name was a time-bomb the moment I saw it in the comic forum yesterday. It didn't take long to explode.

Is he even paying attention to this?
 
 
penitentvandal
13:10 / 08.03.06
Oddly enough, I was about to apologise for the Dworkin joke, on the grounds that, having given it some thought, it did present an image of Dworkin which was too similar to the old 'hysterical female' chestnut for comfort - so much so, in fact, that I was even going to apologise for using the word hysterical, even though, on re-checking, I found I hadn't. But it is interesting to observe how many of Dworkin's ideas have been taken out of context. As mentioned, I pretty much plucked Dworkin's name out of the ether because of the alleged 'school' of feminism she's came to represent, and more out of laziness than any real familiarity with the case. Sorry.

Oddly enough I do half-agree with the all-men-are-rapists cariature, in that I regard all men as potential rapists, but then I regard all people as potential murderers too, given the right combination of circumstances. However, for most people the potential is fairly low, obviously - society as a whole wouldn't function if it wasn't.

The worrying thing, though, is that society functions too well with the amount of actual rape that goes on, to the extent in fact that the real figures get downplayed and/or ignored. But the ways in which male rapaciousness could be curbed are probably not a suitable topic for this thread, even if it does deal with some types of stupid and offensive male behaviour.

Incidentally, yes, I do regard rapists as being predominantly - one might even say exclusively - male. I realise that I have no statitics to hand to prove this, but I think it is a fairly well-accepted point, if for no other reason than that I think men have obvious physical and social advantages in this area. I suppose it is possible that there may be a few instances of female rapists, but probably not a statistically significant amount.
 
  

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