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Battlestar Galactica Season 2 for UK Sky People

 
  

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penitentvandal
12:49 / 15.03.06
Good points. Somehow I don't see the Pegasus being around that long. I suspect Gaius and Six may have a hand in its demise...perhaps Pegasus Six will go all suicide bomber on them?

Either that, or it's gonna look as if Galactica's going to get the frakk kicked out of it and then, bang! Up goes the Pegasus...

...because the entire Cylon fleet have just frakked it with Raiders.

And then, 'to be continued', of course...

I don't think Adama would have reacted any differently to the rape of Boomer if Helo and the Chief hadn't got up in the Interrogator's business. I think Adama would have found the idea of rape as a tool of interrogation disgusting, and acted accordingly. Maybe not by launching Vipers, but by formulating some sneaky plan involving Gaius and Gaeta, probably, or Starbuck's stealth viper thing.

Evil Scientist - don't forget that Starbuck had to nurse a Cylon Raider back to health last series, and developed a very complex relationship with the Headfuck Infiltrator when she had to interrogate him. Both those things might factor in to her being uncomfortable about compiling kill rankings.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:13 / 15.03.06
Dude, she totally scooped out the Raider's brains! I dunno, I don't think that counts as "nursing it back to health". Even if Boomer's "treat it like an animal" schtick implied it was still alive, it was lobotomised.
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:06 / 16.03.06
Does the fact that it was Helo and Chief who ran to intervene in the assault on Boomer simplify or complicate matters? As in, how many of the rest of the Galactica crew would have done the same thing?

It'll definitely complicate matters for them, but Helio's already a "toasterfracker" in the eyes of the Galactica crew, so I doubt any of them would be surprised that he'd stand up for his toastergirl. The Chief's emotional entanglement is probably going to be looked on in a similar light.

It's hard to say if any of the others would have come to Boomer's aid. She'd saved Starbuck back on Caprica and yet Starbuck said nothing when the President ordered Boomer chucked out of the airlock. I like to think that neither Starbuck nor Apollo would have reacted any differently than the Chief and Helio.

Hell even Cally, the world's sweetest Jack Ruby impersonator, was disgusted with the Pegasus deck crew. Which isn't to say she'd go in guns blazing to save Boomer 2. However, I think that the Galactica crew may have more empathy for the Boomer model purely because so many of them worked alongside one as a friend.

If Boomer had been uncovered back in Season 1, I can't see Adama asking Starbuck to interrogate her in the same brutal fashion as they did with Headf**ker. Even if Boomer is now "the enemy" I think those who were her friends still have a tough time distancing themselves emotionally.

I found the former's objection to the Cylon "scorecard" slightly out of character

I reckon she was just doing it to get a rise out of the new CAG. Starbuck doing her anti-authority thing.

what can be done with the Pegasus crew?

Nothing really. I have a feeling this is going to be resolved without the two battlestars exchanging nuke broadsides. I can see the President moving Colonial 1 in between the ships, if necessary, to stop that.

I reckon the makers have been waiting to blow up a battlestar in lovingly slow-motion. So my money is on Pegasus going down with all hands on board during the upcoming assault on the mystery Cylon Party Ship. Baltar'll spirit 6 off into the civvie fleet, faking her death so she doesn't end up in a cell.
 
 
penitentvandal
19:40 / 19.03.06
Trailers for tuesday's eppy on Sky:

'In a special two-part episode, humanity fights back...'

Me and Pinky, at practically the same time, 'What, by attacking itself?'
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:24 / 26.03.06
So... 'Resurrection Ship' thoughts? Apart from "Holy shit!"?

I don't really know where to start. Apart from that Edward Olmos is an incredible actor, and that I love that inappropriately calm piece of music they used in the battle scene here, the one from the opening scene in 'Kobol's Last Gleaming'.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
06:11 / 27.03.06
Didn't get to see last weeks' double bill 'til the weekend...but, good god, what a double bill!
 
About Helo and the Chief rescuing Boomer - that rape scene was one of the most disturbing things I've seen in some time, and I really think any of Galactica's crew would have reacted the same as the Chief and Helo did. I think Adama's acknowledgement that the Cylon infiltrators are not animals will be quite important.
 
The parallel assasinations surprised me somewhat - not that they were planned, but that Admiral Cain called off her attempt. Obviously, Adama changed his mind due to his conversation with Boomer, but why did Cain? Nonetheless, I cheered when Cain got it in the head from #6, I really disliked her character.
 
With the old XO, Tigh's friend, taking charge of Pegasus, there should be less trouble cooperating, but I think the crew of Pegasus might still cause trouble. They're used to Cain's way of doing things, and I kinda see them like the soldiers at the end of Full Metal Jacket - very desensitised. Galactica's crew had many civilians to deal with, plus the clashes between President Roslin and Adama to agonise over...I feel they've kept their humanity a lot better than the Pegasus crew. Ironically, I think the Pegasus' XO's functioning alcoholic status might've saved him and Galactica; I daresay he had problems with Cain's orders, but the booze helped him cope.
 
 
penitentvandal
09:53 / 28.03.06
I didn't see it 'til last night either. Wow.

That resurrection ship thing really does change it all a lot, doesn't it? Cylons gon' be pissed...

Just wondering here: is alcoholism, like, a prerequisite for XO status in the Colonial Fleet, then?
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
11:27 / 28.03.06
Heh, I was wondering about that too, vv. It's quite the coincidence that both XOs are so similar...
 
 
penitentvandal
11:37 / 28.03.06
Maybe the whole colonial fleet promotion system is based on alcohol tolerance. Adama couldn't make Admiral because he didn't want to fuck up his liver.

There are certainly some twisted habits in the fleet. Baltar, in particular, would probably happily wander around the command deck rubbing cocaine into his gums if he thought they'd let him get away with it.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
08:11 / 29.03.06
Heh. D'you think Balthar'd really *need* drugs? One of my favourite scenes this season was the one a couple of episodes ago where the imaginary Number 6 tried to convince Balthar he was, in fact, completely crazy.
 
I was thinking about Pegasus a little...and wasn't the main reason that Galactica survived the first Cylon war because it was the only ship that didn't depend on networked computers? Perhaps Pegasus, being the flagship and whatnot, had a backup system that allowed it to operate without the network... but still, I thought it might get a passing mention.
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:22 / 29.03.06
Presumably the Pegasus (is it the flagship?) dismantled their computer network after escaping the Cylon attack on the shipyards. I got the impression they pretty much jumped away before the virus could be transmitted. Or maybe their network was already in pieces whilst they were getting overhauled.

Regarding last night's episode.

More subdued than the action-packed last few weeks, but I didn't feel it suffered for that. The flashbacks to Roslin's final few days on Caprica was a nice touch (her sleeping with the Pres, seeing Baltar and 6 in the background, the fact that she was pretty much going to be fired when she came back from the Galactica visit).

The order to abort Boomer's baby based on a few "genetic anomolies" seemed horribly callous (and poorly justified), but again underlines the rather nasty attitude of Rosalin/Colonials that "toasters aren't human". Ironic really that she orders forced termination of a baby whilst her letter criticises Baltar for lack of compassion.

The Baltar/Real 6 relationship's off to a shaky start what with Baltar seeming to forget what she'd been through only a few weeks prior. But I like the concept of there being an underground of Cylon sympathisers (although, what with the suicide bombers and spitting fanatical leader they do seem less sympatheticly presented than the Cylons have been).

Boomer's "Let them come!" moment had me giving a silent cheer for her. Helio again stands up for his toastergirl (he's not getting a good grade when the yearly appraisals come round is he?).
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:24 / 29.03.06
The more I watch this the more I want the Cylons to win. The humans are so sick, they go around pretending morality and then start to forcibly abort a baby. They kill Cane but are just as emotionally (if not practically) callous as her.

Most of the time I just wish John Crichton would turn up and start shooting the people on Galactica.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:55 / 29.03.06
"Don't confuse compassion with the will to survive", Adama says. He's talking about Boomer, but he could be talking about Roslin's decision to suspend the termination, couldn't he?
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
07:56 / 30.03.06
Yeah, the whole termination thing was very very poorly justified, IMHO. All the same, I'm glad Roslin survived; Balthar's more interesting the way he is, if he became president, he'd be under too much scrutiny to be a decent character.
 
I was very surprised at the contents of the trunk - you'd think that a potential terrorist - which is how they'd view the leader of the Cylon sympathisers - would be more thoroughly checked.
 
 
Evil Scientist
14:17 / 12.04.06
F**k Barbelith! Is the Battlestar Galactica Season 2 for UK Sky People thread dying?

Help me Velvetvandal, you're our only hope!

Hmm, my sci-fi's getting tangled.

I'm happy to bypass last weeks ep (good though it was) and move sraight onto the rather tasty "SCAR"!

Reading the synopsis beforehand it reminded me of that Space: Above and Beyond ep with the Chig ace who was carving up the marines.

Much better though. Blending in some impressive dog-fighting amidst the asteroids with the slightly non-linear run up.

Last week we saw how Apollo's getting messed up by the stress. This week Starbuck hits a rough patch, hits on Apollo, and gets hit by Cat(?). Drinking like a Tigh possessed the whole way through.

Revelation that the Cylon raiders resurrect too. I wonder if the Centurions do? It would make sense.

Jesus, the entire crew of Galactica needs a group hug this season.

I heard third person rumours that the next season is going to be a massive change in format. Why do I have visions of the Galactica going down in flames and the few fleet survivors ending up with the resistance on Caprica? Hope I'm wrong.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:46 / 12.04.06
Reading the synopsis beforehand it reminded me of that Space: Above and Beyond ep with the Chig ace who was carving up the marines.

Yeah, I remember that episode of SA&B. They called that ace "Richtofen" or something like that (after the Red Baron) and it had the words "Abandon all Hope" written in the cockpit, which is cool. It was the only watchable episode in that abortion of a series. And it wasn't even all that good.

Anyway, we're still on ep.2.4 down here in Brazil, so I really should star avoinding this thread...
 
 
Evil Scientist
09:19 / 13.04.06
Chiggy von Richthofen! Cheer Meg, I'd forgotten that.


Scar looked damn evil. I would have liked to have seen a little more of him actually stalking and ambushing the Colonials.

I'm wondering if he is supposed to be the reincarnation of the one Starbuck lobotomised baaaack in S1.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
18:06 / 13.04.06
I agree we need to keep this thread going. I haven't been able to resist imbibing some juicy spoilers for the rest of the series, but will confine my comments to the last couple of Sky episodes.

Re episode B14: It's such a cliche to liven up a boring character by suddenly turning him into an amoral badass, but who else found Apollo way more interesting the second his girlfriend said: "I'm going to have to charge extra because you spent the night"? And then we're into milquetoast Lee as some kind of Shaft/Jack Bauer crusader hybrid. Too bad he undermined himself the following week by refusing to shag the heroically drunk Starbuck when she was falling all over him. The boy has no manners.

For more food for thought, I'd like to repost something I brought up on another board... Having pondered the Lord of the Rings analogising experiment back on page 1 of this thread, I have the sneakiest feeling that the producers of this admittedly brilliant show have been cribbing from another spectacularly depressing sci-fi odyssey of late, Neon Genesis Evangelion.

Consider:
Sternly patriarchal head honcho has problematic relationship with his son, the hotshot young pilot on whom all our hopes are pinned?
Head honcho also has older, burnt-out male adjutant with whom he goes way back?
Hotshot young pilot's unresolved attraction to driven, tomboyish female pilot, who has lorryloads of emotional baggage of her own?
Remote, inhuman, implacable enemy seeks to exterminate mankind - and on our current form, they might just have a point?
Remote etc. enemy occasionally switches tactics and gets up close and personal with hapless human characters for reasons ambiguous? (I.e. the Cylon infiltrators = Kaworu.)
Addled religious/philosophical content spliced in with the implication that all this nonsense has been contrived not because it makes any particular sense, but because it sounds cool?
Constant political intrigue and jockeying behind the scenes for control of resources?
Terminally unfortunate, neither-human-nor-inhuman female character is repeatedly wounded, traumatised, killed and replaced until she becomes an emotional wreck?

Not sure how many Eva buffs are watching this thread (where's Seth at?), but somebody needs to tell me I'm wrong about this.
 
 
Dead Megatron
19:30 / 13.04.06
Scar looked damn evil

Does anybody have a link to a image of Scar? The curiosity is killing me, and Google ain't helping.
 
 
penitentvandal
20:05 / 13.04.06
Just watched the repeat on sky, er, two (is it me or is Sky just replicating all over the shop now?). Thought the parallels between Starbuck/Tighe and Cat/Starbuck were quite interesting. Cat's confidence seems tremendously frail and false, though, and I would guess it's going to desert her at some crucial point in the series.

Tell you what I'm getting a bit tired of, though - this use of the 'x hours earlier' plot device, in both last week's Apollo episode and this one. It was alright during Apollo's NDE episode but overuse of it is starting to get a bit irritating. Let's have an episode in real time instead, eh?

A big change in format next season, eh? Perhaps the colonials will find Earth by the end of this season, leading to the excitement of Galactica 2007!

In which, presumably, the Cylons and the Fleet will join forces to fight their true enemy - sarky geeks on message boards!
 
 
Evil Scientist
22:38 / 13.04.06
A big change in format next season, eh? Perhaps the colonials will find Earth by the end of this season, leading to the excitement of Galactica 2007!

I can see it now:

There is a plot to destroy the human race. The enemy looks like everyone else. There are spaceships 200 years in advance of our own hanging over Washington. A horde of Cylon Centurions are swarming across Europe and some of my own people may be involved.

I'm Jack Bauer and this is the longest 24 hours of my life...again."
 
 
Seth
01:11 / 15.04.06
Not sure how many Eva buffs are watching this thread (where's Seth at?), but somebody needs to tell me I'm wrong about this.

The similarities you mention seem pretty spurious to me... a lot of them you'd find anywhere.

Evangelion is a Jungian/Freudian nightmare of a show and seems constructed around delivering the maximum cruelty and torment at every turn. It pulls off the remarkable trick of delivering revelations that should tie the show together yet instead unravels and comes apart at the seams in a manner that's quite terrifyingly controlled by Anno, who seems to be using it all as an examination of his personal baggage having grown up in a cult. BSG has nowhere near this level of directedness… it just doesn’t have the depth of characterisation to hold its trauma of the week structure in place, or the sense that the writers know where it’s going enough for you to fully invest in all its twists and turns. BSG is incestuous, Evangelion is about incest.

Eva deals with the build up and aftermath of cataclysmic events, both on a personal and global scale, often leaving the event itself horribly and intentionally ambiguous. As opposed to BSG, which as it progresses in the second half of the second season does the opposite. The event is key, the build up and aftermath are bizarrely absent, in a way that seems to fudge how it effects characters and relationships. I know which approach I find more satisfying. BSG is interested in events and not characters. Events in Evangelion are torture devices designed specifically for the broken psyches of the people they are intended to mangle.

At heart they're both shows about the patterns of relationships we fall into, the secrets we keep from those we love, the ugliness of power misused, the pain of not being able to cope with or realise your blind spots as a person and the ways we hurt those with whom we need to be intimate. Anno seems that much more adept at this that Moore, in that he knows that some trusts, when abused, can never be repaired or made right. Moore may attempt this at times. Anno has lived it. And while I’m creating a caricature of Eva that doesn’t mention its sometimes tender, sometimes puerile humour or moments of utter silliness it’s that black hole at its heart that most draws the contrast between the two series into fine definition.

The difference between the shows is mainly in spirit, and Evangelion’s spirit is quite incomparable: bubbling under the surface of the show is a seam of something unknowably and horribly other, some kind of primal sexual/sacred rage that’s been twisted into an ugly form from which it’s desperate to break free, no matter how much destruction it may cause in the process. Evangelion is a wild animal, and it is not your friend. BSG makes no attempt to duplicate this spirit, and as a result it seems to me like a comparison between a house cat and a lion.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
09:35 / 15.04.06
Heavens. That's the most detailed, considered and impassioned response to a lazy, half-assed analogy of mine I've ever seen. Not only that, but it made me realize my conceptions of Eva are based on the one or two watch-throughs I made of the series and movies, over three years ago, and I should really revisit it. Thanks, Seth.

Just count ourselves lucky I never jumped into The L Word thread with my notion about how that show maps on to Bubblegum Crisis (mostly revolving around Shane = Priss). Now that was half-assery.
 
 
Seth
10:08 / 15.04.06
How were you to know that I've been rewatching it recently and would rant at the slightest provocation? S'all good though. 3:16.
 
 
Tom Coates
14:29 / 15.04.06
It would be inappropriate of me to say anything more than this, but yeah, I think it's fair to say that there will be a pretty radical change of format for at least some of next season. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. I think the thing I love most about BSG is this sense that it's difficult to tell sometimes whether the Cylons are purely evil or whether there's something purer about their motives. Increasingly it seems like they've set this up as really nothing more or less than a direct culture clash - the Cylons have a sense of what's right that's perfectly in concert with their creation and subsequent development, the Humans - of course - don't share this at all. I even think you can sort of look at the Cylons disregard for human life through the prism of their own ressurection - they understand death as a painful process, but don't really ever get confronted (or seldom get confronted) with the idea of it as an end. So it's no wonder they don't really understand why humans get so tense about it. It's like if you had forty six senses, then the idea of losing one would seem pretty trivial.

And to recap - Pegasus 1&2 - AWESOME, Apollo episode - SUXOR, Scar - pretty fucking awesome little episode right about there, and .... must not say any more. Rest of season too good for words.
 
 
Mysterious Transfer Student
16:45 / 15.04.06
Tom's points about the Cylons are well made, but nonetheless I can't shake the feeling that their motivations as a species are among the weakest elements of the show, where they should be the strongest. The impression I have is that of writer/editorial disagreement and miscommunication contributing to a somewhat muddy picture of their masterplan - a real flaw in a show where this one element is referred to in the pre-titles sequence of every episode.

In my flip post above that compared the show to Evangelion, the one point I intended to stand out was this:

Addled religious/philosophical content spliced in with the implication that all this nonsense has been contrived not because it makes any particular sense, but because it sounds cool?

I may sound like I'm trying to pick fights over the content of Eva (and apologies to all here who don't know that show and have no idea to what I'm referring), but while I can agree with Seth that deep-set psychological pain and rage is well-conveyed, a coherent metaphysical/religious framework certainly isn't. The trauma, anger, confusion and distress of the major and minor characters in BSG is well drawn and convincing almost all of the time, as a consequence of good writing, directing and acting; the vitally important notion of the Cylons' plan really isn't, and unless things are going to shape up soon in the few remaining episodes of season two, that's how it will remain. I don't insist that the creators of the series spell everything out - some of the pleasure of this kind of fiction lies in reading between the lines - it's just that I perceive a lack of verve and self-confidence on their part when it comes to this one element, that's nowhere to be found in any other aspect of the show. That bothers me.
 
 
Seth
19:30 / 15.04.06
There's not much that I'll add here on BSG's shortchanging of character - that's all in the other thread, so I guess it'll have to wait until you're up to date with what's been shown in the States. On the subject of the Evangelion mythos it's not all that relevant to the show: for the most part it's cool window dressing. Where it becomes relevant is where it sheds light onto character and the relationship between characters, which is Anno's exploration of his Jungian influences. He plays fast and loose with the Judeo-Christian texts from which the symbols take their origin, but then so did Jung (further evidence of Anno's obsession with Jung and Freud: the daftly named Soviet pilot who turns up in the second episode of Gunbuster).
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:02 / 21.04.06
Watched the most recent episode last night.

BILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYY!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

(choked sobbing) Why, Lords of Kobol? WHY?
 
 
Dead Megatron
14:44 / 21.04.06
Why? Because the damn acto would not sign a 5 year-contract:

link

I hate when real life issues interfere in fiction...
 
 
penitentvandal
09:24 / 25.04.06
Five years? Crikey. I hate when series hang around too long...I hope BSG doesn't do that and just sputter out, not with a bang but a whimper, at the end. I think TV series could learn a lot from comic books, specifically the big-but-finite series of the 90s, i.e. Sandman, the Invisibles, Preacher, etc. Tell the story in an episodic format, but stop when you get to the end, and don't try to introduce loads of new stuff just to spin it out a bit longer. The TV approach seems more like traditional comics, build a show to run and run and then milk it for all it's worth, until the udders run dry and turn wrinkled. I don't want this to happen to BSG, and it also worries me that it could happen to another fave show of mine, Lost (if you read articles about Lost, they always go on about 'how many series they can make it run for', rather than 'how/when it will end', which worries me).

I think BSG will be perfect with one, maybe two more seasons, but it shouldn't be an ongoing thing. The very structure of the story suggests there is an end-point (crew reach Earth), and while that does give a lot of scope before you get to that, there really is only so far you can go before the Fleet totally breaks down, and if it doesn't it just looks unrealistic.

It's a bit of a downer to hear Billy is out of the series for good, as I had hoped he would turn out to be a Cylon and they would bring him back to fuck with Roslin's head. Oh well.

And, Tom?

I think it's fair to say that there will be a pretty radical change of format for at least some of next season.

How do you know this? What do you know? Are you going to tell me, or am I going to have to lock you in a cell while grappling with the ethical quandaries involved in torturing you before you reveal it? Don't make me spend fifty minutes questioning my morality and standing around staring with a chunky phone in my hand, dammit! What do you know?

Back to the episode in hand - am I the only guy who thought it would have been immeasurably improved if cute soldier girl had actually said 'Billy, don't be a hero!' at some point?

And when did Starbuck start fucking everything up? Is BSG now being written by the geniuses who came up with the excellent 'Shelton fumbles every move he does' storyline for the (previously unbelievably excellent) Shelton Benjamin in the WWE? And, if so, does this mean that at some point in the series this unexpected twist in Starbuck's character will be resolved by introducing...Starbuck's Mama?

Actually though, given that Starbuck hates her parents, that might work...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:49 / 25.04.06
I think Starbuck is just having to learn that the rash, hotheaded approach is not a sustainable way to live, because it risks making either you (last week) or your nearest and dearest (this week) dead.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:52 / 25.04.06
Incidentally, I don't think Starbuck hated her father at all. She had his music on at her apartment, remember? Plus, it's been heavily indicated that it was her mother who was the abuser, and who broke all her fingers at one point or another... Her father was a pianist - you do the math.

We've already had her mother in the show, arguably - she was called Cain.
 
 
penitentvandal
08:28 / 26.04.06
Yeah, I couldn't remember if it was her mother or father she hated, so I just went with parents in general - my bad.

I couldn't quite remember who Cain was, so I looked it up (yes...Pegasus commander, really should have remembered that) on the BSG fan sites.

Forgetting that lots of these sites are ran by Americans.

Who have seen all of series two.

And thus did velvetvandal unearth a Major Spoiler...Damn you, Gaius Baltar!

Not going to reveal what it is though, so instead...last night's episode, eh? Crikey. Best one we've seen in a while IMHO, I think because some of the recent episodes exploring the situation in the Fleet have almost sort of left out the idea that the Fleet is, y'know, being followed by devious aliens who want to exterminate he entire human species. The Scar episode was pretty good, but the scared-of-dying, guerilla warfare Cylons just didn't seem as threatening. Until last night and the great 'ah, a distress call...FUCK! Three base-stars!' maneuver. That was good. I actually found myself thinking 'ah, so this is how they're going to write the Pegasus out...'

Is anyone noticing this series seems to be themed around the idea of almost killing Apollo, btw? He gets blasted out of his Viper during the attack on the resurrection ship...but survives! He gets beaten to fuck by gangsters...but survives! He gets shot by Fumblin' Starbuck...but survives! He's on a ship that gets nuked...but survives!

Apollo is the ripped shirt Kirk of BSG. FACT.

I love that Gaius has quietly worked out that the human race is doomed while everyone was running around panicking months ago. Of course, he could just be feeding misinformation to Roslin to force her into making an unpopular choice, but I think the idea that Gaius calculates astonishing facts in his spare time but no-one ever asks him for them fits better with his godlike genius persona. But, on the other hand, damn you, Gaius Baltar! Damn you!

The ban on abortion was handled very well, and made me muse on one of the things I love about this series - the realism of the issues it deals with. I think this is the first time we've seen abortion dealt with in a TV sci-fi series, just as I believe we also saw the first treatment of rape in TV sf on BSG a few weeks back. The fact that this show will stray out of the safe confines of TV sf and address issues like this gives it a massive edge over the Stargate Whateveritscalleds of the world for me, any day.

Roslin's little bait-and-switch with regard to the girl was a bit pulled out of a hat, though, but it was good to see the Prez put one over on the cleric* and her pro-life views. Interesting as well that they made Adama pro-life (in a qualified way) in the episode, too, rather than depicting the pro-lifers as rabid frothing rightists. I liked the way Adama and Roslin's disagreement was handled as a quiet discussion between two people in a desperate situation, rather than an I-will-not-move-an-inch slanging match. And this was another good thing about the episode: they didn't just tack an abortion episode onto the series, but explored the issue in the context of the situation, with a human race on the verge of extinction (if you believe Dr Baltar, of course...damn him!); which also, rather neatly, allowed them to resolve the issue in-plot, rather than leaving it open, without fear that the episode would be seen as an endorsement of the rabid pro-life position. Yes, Roslin bans abortion, but it's made abundantly clear that this is only because of the situation in the Fleet and that she hates the decision on a personal level.

And then Gaius, bloody Gaius, turns round and punks out the Prez for it in front of the press! DAMN HIM!

Oh yes, and Apollo has a ship now. And Zarek is back in Evil Scheming Mode. So much in one episode! Fantastic.

*Actually she wasn't the cleric, was she? Or at least not the Pythian cleric, who got blown up on Kobol. So who was that woman? She wasn't Billy's replacement, so what was she doing there? Was she just a radom character brought in to be a villainous fundie, or what?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:41 / 26.04.06
Best one we've seen in a while IMHO

Agreed. I'm especially glad that it picked up the Pegasus situation - the fact that it's still mostly filled with and staffed by people who don't entirely trust the Galactica crew. Apollo had to be specifically given command by Garner, he couldn't just seize it even if it was on his dad's authority.

Baltar's making it up. He's totally making it up. Notice how he tells the President not to bother reading the report he claims this is in (and Laura, really, falling for that, for shame...).

I'm not that sympatheric to the President's position - she got played, and the reason she was able to get played was because deep down, her instincts were to criminalise abortion, regardless of what she says about her previous position. What was great about her and Adama in this episode was the way their positions in their first conversation about the issue - and remember, Adama doesn't push it any further than that - are countered by their actions or reactions later on: she actually goes ahead and enacts the ban, Adama listens to his old-looking wireless radio (God I love some of the design on this show) and pulls a face like he knows it's a really, really bad idea. Not that I think the guy's secretly a keen pro-choice advocate or anything...

I appreciated the absence of a character there to tell us all why it's both immoral and a strategic fuck-up, much like as in 'Flesh and Bone' there was nobody who said "Hey, isn't torturing people wrong even if they're Cylons?". Yes, this leaves the show open to an entirely positive gung-ho right-wing interpretation, but that would involve ignoring a shitload of tone...
 
 
sleazenation
13:04 / 27.04.06
BSG set to have it's own spin-off series: Caprica Set 50 years earlier, apparently...
 
  

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