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Battlestar Galactica Season 2 for UK Sky People

 
  

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penitentvandal
17:57 / 27.02.06
Well, the idea that the Cylon religion is programmed into them is occassionally touched on in Baltar's conversations with Six and was more explicitly discussed in the episode where Starbuck interrogates the Headfuck Infiltrator*. And also, it makes a certain amount of sense: imagine you program a race of highly intelligent mechanoids. Wouldn't you want them to think you were God? Though that is getting kind of into Dr Moreau territory there.

I have a theory that one of the ideas the series will hopefully come to explore more explicitly is the idea that both sides have machine-like responses, so to equate the Cylons' mechanical programming and the humans' cultural programming. Though it might be more interesting if we find the Cylons did invent their own religion, if only because it would mean they might have a massive blindspot to be exploited.

As to the Cylons not knowing where Earth is...they did tell Starbuck she'd find Cobol, which is where she found the arrow...are the Cylons looking for Earth?

Did they ever get back to Earth in the original, btw? Hmmm.

*The only Cylon infiltrator model whose name sounds perfect for a Heavy Metal band
 
 
penitentvandal
18:01 / 27.02.06
Also, hurrah for page two of the thread! We'll show those schemey 'US Season' 'we've-watched-it-on-the-internet' boys yet, chaps! Dig in!
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:07 / 28.02.06
We r teh be3t!

And also, it makes a certain amount of sense: imagine you program a race of highly intelligent mechanoids. Wouldn't you want them to think you were God? Though that is getting kind of into Dr Moreau territory there

Count Iblis, you watch. We'll have a CGI'd Patrick McNee yet.

This theory reminds me of Space: Above and Beyond's Silicates. A.I.'s that rebelled after someone released a virus which told them to "Take a chance."

Possibly a similar thing happening here?

Checked out the SkyGuide for tonight's ep. LUCY LAWLESS no less!
 
 
sleazenation
08:27 / 28.02.06
Did they ever get back to Earth in the original, btw? Hmmm.

Sort of... There was a shoert lived series call Galactica 1980 wherein the Galactica arrived at earth in the 1980s... it was very bad apart from the last episode, which brought back Starbuck...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:51 / 28.02.06
"Brought back" in a very specific sense: it was revealed that Starbuck's Viper had crashlanded on a more-or-less deserted planet and that the fleet had had to go on without him. Very heavily inspired by the film Enemy Mine, the episode has Starbuck becoming friends with a Cylon who's also stranded there, who helps him deliver a baby. I tend to think of that episode as being quite influential as far as the new series is concerned ("What if EVERY episode had a character stranded on a ruined planet in a tentative alliance with a Cylon?").
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:37 / 28.02.06
Self-correction: earlier I said that Boomer quoted the Bible in 'Home', but it was actually in 'The Farm', referring to the Cylon's attempts to breed:

"That's one of God's commandments. 'Be fruitful.'"
 
 
Evil Scientist
10:48 / 28.02.06
There was a short lived series call Galactica 1980 wherein the Galactica arrived at earth in the 1980s... it was very bad apart from the last episode

I have only hazy memories of Galactica 1980, for some reason I remember a troop of fleet kids being brought to Earth by two pilots (Troy and ???), all the Colonials were super-strong on Earth due to lighter gravity. The pilots used to speed around on cheesy space-bikes which by themselves trumped CHiPs for campness.

First humanform Cylon in this too, I believe.
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:42 / 28.02.06
My brother just emailed me an interesting fact. That nebula they're heading for is from the original series. The Cylons mine it to shit and Apollo and Starbuck get to fly through ahead of the fleet carving a pathway.

Am I right?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
20:02 / 28.02.06
Oh God, I love this show.

Never. Trust. The media.
 
 
penitentvandal
20:12 / 28.02.06
Hmm. I think I get Battlestar 1980 mixed up with the A-Team in my head. Was there a boy scout troop leader in it who helped them?

I actually spent fifteen minutes in the shower yesterday coming up with a bizarro conspiracy theory to link original series BG to the A-Team; the odd thing is it actually made more sense than the actual plot for the series (I mean, what, they were in 'Nam? How old were they, fifteen?)...

Anyway, tonight's episode:

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh another one! How clever of them to reveal that Journobot was an infiltrator only after she'd won our sympathy. Also, nice use of the original series theme in the end of the report, and nice to see a nod to Babylon 5 in the episode-where-a-journalist-films-on-the-ship concept.

It's nice to see, too, that the Fleet hangs on to values like freedom of the press in the face of a threat like the cylons, whereas our own Fearless Leaders decide the time is right to arrest trainspotters because we might, maybe, just possibly, at some point, have a few bombs go off...

Sorry. Little bit of politics there.
 
 
penitentvandal
20:14 / 28.02.06
Oh, and

all the Colonials were super-strong on Earth due to lighter gravity

OMG THAT IS TEH SUCK ECT
 
 
penitentvandal
07:56 / 01.03.06
Hang on, was that journo Lucy Lawless, then?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:10 / 01.03.06
Indeed. Not easy to recognise at first, more so by the end.
 
 
sleazenation
10:22 / 01.03.06
So, does anyone here have an explanation for how the cylons at the end saw recordings of events that took place after the raiders'mlittle attack? Surely if the raiders were necessary to relay the recordings made by cylonlawless then later recordings would not have been able to be transmitted?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:22 / 01.03.06
I would think that as long as the cut Boomer footage was filmed before that Cylon attack (which it was), it's not a problem: presumably when the finished film was broadcast to the entire fleet, it would be fairly easy for the Cylons to pick up that kind/size of broadcast. And those are the only two things we see them watching.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:25 / 01.03.06
Loved the ending. The look of happiness on the faces of the Cylons in the cinema when they realised the baby was still alive. Bless their silicon pathways.
 
 
penitentvandal
12:19 / 02.03.06
So...do the cylons use the cinema for anything else?
 
 
Evil Scientist
14:05 / 02.03.06
They watch a lot of tacky 80's action flicks.
 
 
sleazenation
14:30 / 02.03.06
The A-team, obviously - they love that crazy Dirk Benedict and want to see him get more TV work...
 
 
penitentvandal
09:36 / 07.03.06
Worrying to think that that would make the Cylons' favourite film Body Slam, in which the Dirk stars alongside that master of the Stanislavsky Method, 'Rowdy' Roddy Piper...

On the plus side that might mean they've seen They Live at some point as well, which would explain a lot...
 
 
sleazenation
09:49 / 07.03.06
I believe the cylons are all out of gum too...
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:32 / 07.03.06
Now I want Piper to be the next Cylon model.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:59 / 08.03.06
You can see why, at the end of 'Final Cut', a Cylon essentially makes sure that Tigh stays alive and in his position as XO. If I was the Cylons, I'd want Tigh at his post too. He almost always suggests a course of action that would help the Cylons if people actually did it.

Television Without Pity described the moment where Boomer, all eye-rolly and interfacing with the mainframe, says "This" and shuts down all those Raiders, as "very impressive... in a very old-school Claremont ass-kicking kind of way", and that's very true, which I guess means you could also call it a Buffy moment.

I always find those "yay, we are all friends together, go us!" endings horribly ominous.

More Gaeta, please.
 
 
penitentvandal
10:27 / 08.03.06
Yes, I like the idea that Gaeta is sort of on the edge now. In a way he reminds me of the doctor character in B5 - totally job-driven, but starting to react badly to the pressure and beginning to wonder if there isn't anything better he could be doing.

I do kind of think Tigh is the Cylon's secret weapon too, though probably not actually an infiltrator. In fact, definitely not. Dramatically the idea that Tigh helps the Cylons inadvertently because of his bad judgement is much more satisfying than him being an Evil Robot Tigh.*

I still think his wife might be one, though.

Anyone else think the scene with Apollo not being able to find Starbuck in the new ship is meant to suggest it has some kind of stealth capability? I can see that being used in future episodes.

And the end, I thought, was great, because it makes one unsure how to feel. On the one hand, big human victory, lots of cylons getting battered etc, very good, but on the other hand, the pilots' obvious joy in killing the 'toasters' contrasted with Boomer's face, and Adama still calling her a 'thing'...it's good that the enemy is being humanised in this series, instead of the interchangeable stormtroopers of Star Wars etc.

And is it me, or is calling the new ship 'Laura' a bit disrespectful? It's like the Germans building a battleship, getting Bismarck down to see it, and saying 'There ya go, mate - the Otto!' Maybe it is just me, though.

*Of course, if you want to go with my 'they're all robots in some way thesis, then Tigh is pretty easy to fit in as he is, effectively, programmed by his need for alcohol. One assumes that, perhaps, at some point, the Cylons may well try to exploit this, in the same way that Six exploits Baltar's immense ego. But we shall see.
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:16 / 08.03.06
I tell you what I liked. Baltar having an episode where (a)His sole interaction isn't with Six, and (b) Actually sounds like he's got his shit together rather than being all twitchy.

Interesting moment between Apollo and Dualla there. Just a moment? Or are we going to get a vicious love quadrangle going?

Love the stealth-viper, is Blackbird a reference to the X-Men's jet? I thought they'd put a jump-engine in it initially (the flare of the engines looked a touch like a jump effect).

The continued development of the crew's perspective on the "toasters" continues. Boomer saves the day and gets nothing but "Get that thing out of here!" from Adama.

Helio and the Chief's little moment was good. Hopefully we'll see them coming together a little more due to their shared love of Boomer (and I like how she always call him Chief rather than his name).

This one definitely built on last week's point that the crew are hitting a low point as the endless flight-and-fight begins to wear them down.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:27 / 08.03.06
Sorry for the double-post, but the Vipers cutting through the Cylons at the end was nice. Finally we get to see those "soft-on-the-inside" raiders exploding into chunks of free floating Cylon blood and guts.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:50 / 08.03.06
You say "nice", some might say "pointless slaughter that wastes resources which it's mentioned in the same frakking episode that they need, ie. scrap metal". Actually, I'm not sure why they couldn't bring at least a few of those Raiders on board Galactica to hollow out and use a la Starbuck's Raider... Were they worried they might wake up again? Or just kill-crazy?
 
 
Evil Scientist
20:43 / 08.03.06
Maybe I've just been playing too much Freelancer, Flyboy.

But, in a glorious wine-fueled attempt at a Flyboy no-prize (yes kids, the legends are true), it's possible that the Cylon logic bomb shenanigans might've left them a little leary about scavenging Cylon tech. The Cylons back on Caprica are well aware that the fleet brain-jacked one of their raiders.

A raider, even hollowed out, could still have a self-destruct hidden somewhere these days. The Colonials probably want to stick with tech they know to be clean.

Do I win?
 
 
penitentvandal
20:43 / 08.03.06
Kill-crazy, I think. It's the first time they've really got the drop on the Cylons, of course they're gonna go buck wild on 'em.

Isn't saying 'buck wild' great? Like you're a cowboy, or something. Go on, try it. 'Buck wild.' You can practically taste the chewing tobbacco.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
07:27 / 09.03.06
Nice episode. I think the Blackbird was a reference to the Stealth Bomber, or one of its prototypes.
 
As they mowed down the Cylon ships, I was wondering whether they'd try and capture some, too...perhaps they did, perhaps they just killed 'em all as payback. I wonder, though, whether the Cylons predicted what would happen...I mean, they know Boomer and the baby are still alive and on board; and as the baby seems to be pretty central to their plans, it seems very unlikely that they would try to destroy Galactica. Maybe Galactica Boomer was pretty much in on it all the time, and they wanted to see how much the puny hu-mans trusted her...although that would be one hell of a risk.
 
Anyway. The Blackbird (or Laura) is teh cool. I was half expecting to see Starbuck welding something and lighting a cigar off the welder, and the A-Team music playing in the background. Velvetvandal - as well as the ship being invisible to Apollo, they mentioned several times that it would be difficult to spot on radar, and I'm pretty sure the name Blackbird was used for real-life stealth bombers, so I daresay a small group of stealth vipers will appear in a storyline, trying to infiltrate a basestar or something soon... Also I really like your point about Tigh being programmed by alcohol. His wife also has the "cylon or just shit human being?" thing, too.
 
 
Evil Scientist
08:07 / 09.03.06
Two theories regarding the reasons behind the massive Cylon attack.

1) The Cylons aren't as cohesive a group as we've been led to believe. Perhaps there are factions pushing an extinction agenda and factions pushing a hybridisation agenda.

2) The Boomer Cylons back on Caprica (or in whatever fleet's pursuing the Colonials) are either in contact with Sharon, or are able to accurately predict her reaction to a massive assault. Sharon's assistance in wiping out the attackers improves her relationship with her captors and, by extension, protects the baby.

I think the second theory is more likely though. The Cylons were willing to blow up a basestar to give Sharon(deceased) a clear shot at Adama.

I'm wondering if the raiders, basestars, and centurions "resurrect" into new bodies. Not much of a loss on the Cylon side if that's the case (although virus-infected Cylons might not get re-booted).
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:56 / 15.03.06
Waaah. Shaking.

I was entirely spoiled for this episode and had read quite a lot of discussion about it, but still...

Fuck.

Rarely have I been so relieved to see someone die from severe head trauma.
 
 
penitentvandal
08:24 / 15.03.06
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!

Astonishing. Just...wow. So. Much. Brilliance.

We find ourselves actually caring about the Cylons. The things which have just been unstoppable killing machines the entire series, just about. And yet, it works. When Pegasus Six reaches out to take the food, we feel like cheering. And this isn't Boomer, who we've been subtly conditioned to think of as the Good Cylon for most of the series, this is Six the Nietzschean Uber-Infiltrator who believes humans must be wiped out. And our sympathies are with her, and not the humans. Amazing.

There was just so much to like about this episode. Adama's unthinking support for the Admiral at first ('I've been taking orders my whole life, it's as simple as that.'), followed by his principled rebellion. The slow revelation of what the Pegasus crew have been doing to their captured Cylon. Baltar admitting his love for Six. Helo and the Chief coming to the rescue and, as Flyboy points out, the deep sense of satisfaction when the interrogator hits the wall. Starbuck and Appolo resisting the attempts of the Pegasus troops to wear 'em down. The mysterious Cylon death star. The interaction between Tigh and the other XO (is it me, or is this going to be an important feature of the next episode? Tigh's counterpart doesn't seem too happy with the Admiral's actions. Will he rebel, too?). And the end, with Adama going all Battleship Potemkin on the Admiral's ass. Amazing.

The music was out of the ballpark this episode too, with the exception of the cheesy soft rock when they found the Pegasus. That theme at the end where the tension mounts was really, really nailbiting stuff.

And it will be interesting to see Starbuck's take on the actions of the Pegasi towards the Cylons, given that she knows about the farms on Caprica. I see her as still being dead against it, of course, but it's interesting, again, to see the good guys/bad guys dialectic being problematized at every opportunity in this series. My only hope is that we don't find the Interrogator was just another infiltrator model, and the whole thing was designed to fuck with the humans' heads as part of the Cylons' masterplan, because that would be teh suck. It's much more interesting to see humans every bit as bad as the Cylons, and throws Adama and his crew's insistence on trying to keep some sense of morality into sharper relief.

And, of course, as well as all this deep social commentary stuff, next week we get a big spaceship battle, too! With Baltar and Six IN PERIL on the enemy ship too, yet. God, this show is just the best, damn it. I mean I'll always have a soft spot for B5, but as of this episode I have officially kicked Sheridan's paunchy ass to the kerb and am tying my colours to Doctor Baltar's mast.

As long as Six doesn't mind, of course.
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:18 / 15.03.06
My. Fucking. Christ!

Fantastic bloody episode.

The interaction between Tigh and the other XO

Tigh on an information-gathering mission! Proving that a functional alcoholic can come in quite handy sometimes. I liked that he wasn't fooled by the other XO's pretense that it was a joke.

Michelle Forbes as Admiral Caine. She was projecting ice-cold military killer from the get-go and I loved it.

Helio and The Chief are my personnal heroes of the week.

Up to this point I'd been thinking that the treatment of the infiltrator models by Galactica had been pretty damn harsh. But the Pegasus "interrogations" make Adama's people look like limp liberal Cylon collaborators.

My only hope is that we don't find the Interrogator was just another infiltrator model, and the whole thing was designed to fuck with the humans' heads as part of the Cylons' masterplan, because that would be teh suck.

I got the impression that Caine was encouraging the whole crew to "interrogate" Six.

Next week can't come quickly enough! What're the civilian ships going to do if Pegasus and Galactica start pounding the crap out of each other?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:24 / 15.03.06
I think the morality of Galactica's situation is a lot less clear-cut than it appears at first. Consider:

- Does the fact that it was Helo and Chief who ran to intervene in the assault on Boomer simplify or complicate matters? As in, how many of the rest of the Galactica crew would have done the same thing? Starbuck's views on torturing Cylons (or people in general, come to think of it) aren't clear, but I can't see her or Apollo acting any differently to Helo and Chief, although I found the former's objection to the Cylon "scorecard" slightly out of character, unless we think it was just an aesthetic thing (ie, she thinks it's vulgar). But what about those people who didn't find it easy to accept "toasterfrakker" Helo back into the crew?

- More troubling is this hypothetical: what if Helo and Chief hadn't learnt about the Pegasus crew's rape tendencies until it was too late - what course of action would Adama have pursued if it was not about saving the lives of two of "my men", but bringing to some kind of justice the perpetrators of a rape performed in the name of interrogation on a Cylon and presumably with the (possibly "don't ask, don't tell") approval of Admiral Cain? Would he have launched the alert vipers then? Or would he restricted himself to filing a complaint through the 'proper' channels?

- The next question is, assuming the entire ship doesn't get frakked to pieces, what ought and what can be done with the Pegasus crew? Who, let's not forget, probably outnumber the Galactica crew in terms of actually proper military personnel ('cos Galactica was about to become a museum!). How many of the Pegasus crew took part in rape and torture? (Leaving aside whatever else have Cain and the Pegasus done - they drafted civilians they encountered - what if some didn't want to sign up? - same fate as the old XO?) How many more are culpable of knowing it was going on and saying nothing? Okay, let's say that's been decided - how big are Galactica's prison facilities? Could Adama keep them all locked up, even if he wanted to? Given the current status of Zarek and the rest of the former prisoners from the Astral Queen, would that even be the right thing to do?
 
  

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