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(Largely irrelevant aside: the 'money shot', I believe, was so named before the fashionable modern prevalence of jizzing upon the lady was de rigeur, and merely refers to the spectacle of ejaculation - the trajectory and final resting place of said ejaculation being, from my limited understanding, inconsequential to the term, and subject to the shifting landscape of the cinematic lexicon of pornography.)
I do not feel defensive, since I do not feel under attack, though I can see why you might speculate that that is my motivation for responding. I am perfectly happy to answer questions and concerns raised and, in the spirit of all the recent Tempular discussion in the Convo and elsewhere, feel it is incumbent upon me to do so...because
there is a chance that we have to accept that people in magickal spaces are also operating in privileged spaces - that is that they can write things that would normally be criticised. Personally, I don't think that works, not least because it's hard to work out what constitutes a magical space from the outside.
I quite agree, please see below for more on this, however...I also feel that critiquing a thread, and suggesting of a post that it contains troubling language, and then when the relevant poster responds to the critique suggesting that they are getting defensive after the fact is not very helpful, by implication assuming as it does the moral / argumentative high ground of the interlocuter.
your choice of words here is doing something in the eyes of many readers that you probably did not want it to do - make it sound as if you were writing a letter to Penthouse rather than describing a mystical experience. If that _is_ what you were aiming for, that's fine.
Well, my choice of words reflects, with a fairly accurately descriptive use of the English language, my experience way back whenever it was that the female entity I identify as Oxum, a mixed-race African seductress Power of Nature and the human condition (Orixa) who represents and contains the Mysteries of sex, sexual congress, physical sensuality, carnal pleasure, love, lovemaking compassion and prosperity...aside from the last two, all of these qualities are, by and large, the major themes, concerns, and thematic / visual obsessions of the pornography industry, yes? What I 'wanted to do' was to convey the extremely sexual nature of the entity, the encounter, and my reaction to this and feelings about it.
My conversational tone throughout these reports represents an authorial voice I feel communicates the experience as effectively as any other, and I saw no reason to adjust it to accomodate the experience with the Goddess of, frankly and bluntly, Fucking. If, in describing an encounter with the Orixa of Really Athletic and Steamy Marathon Up All Night In Every Position Carnal Shagging Who Happens to Not Be White I veered into the use of language which has been co-opted and adopted by the pornography industry, even the ethnically fetishised pornography industry, I on many levels fail to see how that is inappropriate or offensive in the context of the encounter...Yes, the argument is there (clearly), but it strikes me, personally, as obtuse. I may well be wrong, however, it's always easy to see the merit of your own position to the expense of any other, equally valid opinion. Different strokes, in the end.
If I have offended anybody, and if it continues to offend in its present form, then I will move to adjust it with a footnote explaining what has been changed and why, so that this later exchange still makes good sense after the fact.
Likewise, if that is not what you were aiming for, there are ways to describe the encounter again to take that into account. what I don't think you can do is say "That wasn't my intention, and those words do not have any of the sense you find in them, in absolute terms. They're just description, without levels".
If I have said that, then I retract it. It wasn't my intention, though as I have pointed out I do not see at as inappropriate to the encounter, in fact quite the opposite, it tells the story as I would (and have) told it - personally, impassioned, and anecdotally...The words may well have the sense you find in them, though I would clarify that suggesting they are referencing anything but my own tastes and experience is a stretch, in my opinion.
If we are suggesting that these sort of 'diary' anecdotal experience re-tellings are inappropriate to the Temple forum (which is perhaps a little unique in its emphasis on personal experience) and that measured and clinical reportage should be rigorously enforced, in all circumstances then I'd suggest that is a matter for the Policy and Wiki, relating to the above points you raised as to whether the Temple should be afforded some kind of 'safe space' dispensation. I'm guessing, though, that it really needs to be judged on a case by case basis rather than a matter of legislative rule-making.
Please feel free to PM me (anybody) if you are and continue to be offended by the description, and I will move to adjust it based on your concerns. |
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